Will, I think you need to take a lesson in Roman history. The Romans fought the Germanic tribes for CENTURIES. Hadrian even erected a turf analogy of the wall in Britain to keep the Germanics at bay. There were raids over the border by both sides before Ceasar. It was a 500-year low grade war that flared very hot at time. Generally speaking the Romans won out because their technological advances kept them much better armed, but when the Empire started to stagnate they quickly lost that edge. That's why Rome was sacked multiple times in the end.

Also, the Romans didn't enslave whole cultures. That was illegal, and the Romans were nothing if not sticklers for the law. They enslaved individuals, usually for nonpayment of bills or taxes. Generally, though, they just bought slaves from others, so the majority of German slaves in Rome would have been sold by their own people (or rival tribes).

I never meant to suggest that Germania was contoured. Such an implication was never made. I happen to know that it's possible that my (specifically my) ancestors were slaves because of my family records. I also know there were many (estimated in the tens of thousands) Germanic slaves serving under the Roman Empire. Only Central Europe was conquered by Rome.
Organization...You mean like almost all Latino immigrants taking one day off work in order to show what their contribution would be?


BTW, if someone wants me to 'take a lesson' or who guesses I "don't know [my] American History", they should make sure I'm wrong first or at least ask me to clarify my position in case they are misunderstanding.

Racism stinks

In all it's forms. We don't all live in the same societies, and thank reality we don't have to live within each other's brains. I'm actually glad racism was brought up, because it's very shallow. And here, in the Tilted Forum, people have been attacking each other's ideas in an unkind way. How thin are our skins?

Yes, and that affected????? Because it didn't affect anything in NYC as far as I can tell. It is but not even a memory, or even a footnote here.

I have asked you to clarify your position. What POINT is it that you are trying to make regarding the Asians in film, TV, politics.

I'll ask you point blank, what is your point and why does it still stand?

It is entirely possible that some of my angst in replying was due to a squardon S-4 with his head firmly ensconced in his descending colon.

No hard feelings either way.

(And just a note, I was not defending colonialism, just mutually condemning cultural expansionism.)

You mean that on the clear opposite side of the country to Mexico, a Mexican movement isn't making a huge mark? It made quite a stir here.
Asians are still not treated equally. Racism against Asians is still alive. I don't think I can make it more clear.

The point of this thread is that racism is alive and well no matter what culture you are within, which I think you miss because you do not see the forest for the trees. To sit and look at racism as just a mexican, black, or asian thing, belies the fact that it doesn´t change when you go across borders and no my friend, I´m referring about borders beyond your small world of south just speaking of mexico.

Maybe you need to go where YOU feel different, where YOU see and feel people looking and speaking at you differently. But as far as I can see, you are just speaking out and postulating with nothing more than just guesses at what you think it is like but not knowing the reality of what it is.

Just because I'm white doesn't mean I've not been on the receiving end of racism. I'm aware of the scope.

The reason, to give you context (something a lot of people seem too have trouble with lately), that I was referring specifically to Asians was the 'oriental' comment by Debaser.

Just some factoids...nothing much to contribute to the discussion.

German immigrants were discriminated against in the US, as well as the Irish. Especially so after the outbreak of WWI.

If you are white and want to know what it feels like to be hated for the color of your skin...you need only to go so far as SW Louisiana.

I think there is a difference between discriminating amongst the races (which isn't always a negative thing) and racism. And there is a difference between personal discrimination and systemic racism. We seem to discuss them here as if they are part and parcel of the same thing. I really don't believe they are.