Galactic Alignment 2012
 

I've heard 2012 mentioned from several sources, the Mayan Calander, the I Ching, the Bible Codes, Native American Prophecy, on and on. Is this just a galactic alignment or is our world about to be changed forever???


http://alignment2012.com/

Over 2,000 years ago the early Maya formulated a profound galactic cosmology. They saw that the sun, on the winter solstice, was slowly moving toward the heart of the galaxy. Naturally enough, with their uncorrupted intelligence intact, they suspected that the world would go through a transformation when the solar and the galactic planes aligned. They devised their Long Count calendar to target when the cosmic alignment would maximize, and that time is AD 2012. We are lucky that the brilliant skywatchers who devised the 2012 calendar left carved monuments for us to decode, and that they have survived the decay of centuries, so that we can know exactly what they prophesied and believed about 2012.

http://www.vitalsignspublishing.co.u...tract2012.html

Terence and Dennis McKenna had published a book in 1975, The Invisible Landscape, in which they showed that the Chinese oracle, the I Ching, had originally been used as a lunar calendar in which the 64 six-line hexagrams – 384 lines in all – had represented the 384 days in a thirteen-month lunar year. Following their 1971 journey down to the Amazon jungle, in which the brothers had a shared hallucinogenic experience, they developed their insights and devised a method by which to convert the Chinese Book of Changes – the I Ching – into a complex wave that mapped the timing of all the changes in the universe, or “the ingression of novelty into space-time”. The complex wave was composed of a hierarchy of waves – each one of a magnitude 64 times greater than the one below it – that mapped all change, from sub-atomic event durations up to the duration of the three-dimensional physical universe. The explosion of the atomic bombs at the end of the Second World War was taken to be a sufficiently novel event that it should correlate to a major peak on the Timewave, and when lined up with the Gregorian calendar it was found that late in 2012 AD all the waves and sub-waves would peak together, signifying “concrescence” – an evolutionary pinnacle and dimensional transition.

http://www.exodus2006.com/2012.htm Codes for 2012

RETYPED TRANSCRIPT OF THE COUNCIL PROCEEDINGS HELD IN
EAGLE BUTTE, SOUTH DAKOTA ON OCTOBER 4, 2005, REGULAR OCTOBER SESSION.

http://www.2012endofdays.org/more/Na...n-prophecy.php

NATIVE AMERICAN PROPHECY
American Indians are a diverse ethnic group. Their languages, customs, social systems varied greatly. One common characteristic found in many Indian nations was an affinity to the spiritual side of life. Out of this came man prophecies.

One of the most fascinating set of prophecies comes out of the Hopi nation located in the Southwestern United States. Many prophecies foretold by the Hopi appear to have come true. Some of these are:

"The Fourth World shall end soon, and the Fifth World will begin. This the elders everywhere know. The Signs over many years have been fulfilled, and so few are left.

"This is the First Sign: We are told of the coming of the white-skinned men, like Pahana, but not living like Pahana men who took the land that was not theirs. And men who struck their enemies with thunder.

"This is the Second Sign: Our lands will see the coming of spinning wheels filled with voices. In his youth, my father saw this prophecy come true with his eyes -- the white men bringing their families in wagons across the prairies."

"This is the Third Sign: A strange beast like a buffalo but with great long horns, will overrun the land in large numbers. These White Feather saw with his eyes -- the coming of the white men's cattle."

"This is the Fourth Sign: The land will be crossed by snakes of iron."

"This is the Fifth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed by a giant spider's web."

"This is the Sixth sign: The land shall be criss-crossed with rivers of stone that make pictures in the sun."

"This is the Seventh Sign: You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it."

"This is the Eight Sign: You will see many youth, who wear their hair long like my people, come and join the tribal nations, to learn their ways and wisdom.

"And this is the Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of my people will cease.

"These are the Signs that great destruction is coming. The world shall rock to and fro. The white man will battle against other people in other lands -- with those who possessed the first light of wisdom. There will be many columns of smoke and fire such as White Feather has seen the white man make in the deserts not far from here. Only those which come will cause disease and a great dying.

Overall, the theme of Hopi prophecy is that the Earth is going to soon go through a great purification and that humanity can make the decision as to how extreme this purification will be. Their belief is that the world goes through a period of destruction and renewal and that we are about to enter into a new age, the 5th world (or 6th depending upon the source).

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The galactic alignment is no myth, it is a fact, it will happen Dec 21, 2012.

http://alignment2012.com/whatisGA.htm

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Will this affect me in any way?

Interesting that you list the date as December 21. This is the winter solstice, which has been view among many "pagan" cultures as a symbolic date of renewing and rebirth.

Indeed. Yes, there will be a galactic alignment. No, it won't matter one bit.

How do you know it wont matter??? Any evidence to back that up???

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A little reading on 2012 and the Mayan Calander

The Calendar doesn't end on 2012, instead it's the 12th Baktun cycle that ends on Dec. 21, 2012. That will then begin the 13th Baktun cycle. In other words, the date is a little over hyped.

Also the 11th Baktun cycle ended on September 18, 1618. I can only recall one significant event of 1618, and that was on May 23rd, 1618 there was the Defenestration of Prague which started the 30 Years War.

Hmm the last prophecy didn't come true. Let's look forward to the next one.

What Prophecy???

So basically you have no evidence to support your claim, and are in fact also trying to predict the future by saying nothing will happen on that day. Got it. BTW, I wasnt addressing you.....but I understand how you couldnt wait to tear into anyone because they didnt share your opinions. Got that too.

The funny thing about logic is that when the typical state of something is "nothing special," you don't need evidence to claim that it will remain as "nothing special." Where evidence should be demanded is when someone claims that something out-of-the-ordinary will happen.

Example: You're going to die. I hope you wouldn't demand evidence of that fact before believing it. I can't prove that you're not special and have some metaphysical force that will keep you alive for all eternity, but then, I don't need to prove that. The simple fact that the normal state of life is for it to end in death means that unless it can be proven that you do have a metaphysical force that will keep you alive, it is safe - and appropriate - to assume that you do not, and will die.

It's the same here. Astronomical events happen all the time. Lunar eclipses used to be considered bad omens. Turns out, there's nothing particularly special about them. Planets align. It's happened before, and will happen again, and nothing spectacular has happened because of it. The list goes on.

The normal state of existence is for there to be no metaphysical correlation between rare, but nonetheless normal, events and good or bad things happening to people. I'm not against "thinking outside the box," but give me a reason to. "Such-and-such people said so, and they were pretty cool," is not a reason. For now, I am content believing that life will continue as it always has, until I see some credible reason to believe otherwise.

Well, any number of prophecies by any number of people or civilizations. Funny how Nostradamus keeps on being wrong, until after something happens and we say "hey, I think this is actually a reference to X!"

More specifically related to this was the May 5, 2000 planetary alignment, which many people believed might be some Big Terrible Thing (TM). Seeing as how it's nearly 7 years later now, I think it's safe to say that that one, like every other "prophecy," has turned out to be a dud.

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I didnt suggest anything, I asked for opinions, but never stated my own. I copy & pasted a few paragraphs and posted some links. Thats all. Once again, anyone that doesnt agree with you is some how 'flawed'.

What about computers??? Can they predict the future???

http://urbansurvival.com/simplebots.htm

The world changes forever every day. The rates are variable, and the meanings, the same. As time passes we must pass through time...
It's good stuff, isn't it?:)

Cthulhu still lives, too, I suppose, again in that chasm of stone which has shielded him since the sun was young. His accursed city is sunken once more, for the Vigilant sailed over the spot after the April storm; but his ministers on earth still bellow and prance and slay around idol-capped monoliths in lonely places. He must have been trapped by the sinking whilst within his black abyss, or else the world would by now be screaming with fright and frenzy. Who knows the end? What has risen may sink, and what has sunk may rise. Loathsomeness waits and dreams in the deep, and decay spreads over the tottering cities of men

I blame Cthulhu

See? The world changed again! Cthulwho never existed. If we use our imaginations as engines of belief rather than creation there will come into existence no tall buildings or flying machines. Oops! They're already here!

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We're planning on a group trip to the Mayan pyramids. It's going to be a friends from college reunion. Should be fun.

I know too much, and the cult still lives.

(awesome reference)

We don't know enough, so cults still live.

(t-i-c): only god is awesome.

Or.... we think we know everything so Logic Cults abound.

logic supports no cults

Oh really??? This board disproves that theory..:) Anybody could now write a thesis based on the responses in this thread...The Social Impact of Cultural Myths Associated with the 2012 Galactic Alignment.....that has a nice ring to it...:)

Silly Christians.. always pulling the martyr card.

The point here is that it is impossible to predict the future. If you put stock into such things then prepare yourself as you see fit. If you don't then go on and live your life as though everyone else is crazy. Either way just live how you want.

Do I put stock into such things? Of course not. If I put stock into every prophecy that came about, I'd be living in a bomb shelter with 10 years supply of water and rice.

What does Christianity have to do with this thread??? So you're saying that stock market, weather, or population predictions are meaningless??? What about the fractals in the I Ching and the Bible Codes??? Thats not a cultural myth, thats a mathematical formula applied to an ancient book. What about the web bot project???

Hey, Dave? Logic supports no cults. Seriously.
You gotta relax.

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We can make guesses about the near future, but those guesses are based on current trends. But they are only guesses. We can say that based on current consumer confidence, the latest quarterly reports of Fortune 500 companies and the current status of short term interest rates that the stock market will go up during the next quarter. But that data does not factor in unexpected events. We could all turn on our TVs next week to find that there has been a Coup d'état in China, and all the Asian stock markets take a nose dive causing a selloff on Wall Street bringing our market to the brink of a crash. We didn't foresee that from our economic trend data.

Weather predictions are the same way. We have instruments everywhere taking current atmospheric data and based on the trends from combining current data with past data to guess what will happen tomorrow. But perhaps overnight, Yellowstone goes ballistic and covers the entire North American continent in volcanic ash. Our atmospheric data couldn't tell us that.

Take for example one of the most famous prophets in the world, Nostradamus. Some read his work and see a quatrain like the one below and think he prophesied World War II and Hitler:
The first line could have referred to the start of World War II, because the German military had to cross the Oder river in the east to invade Poland, and the Rhine river in the west to invade France. The second line refers to a battle against "Hister" which isn't far off of the name Hitler. But it could also be referring to the ancient name of the Danube river region (Where Hitler was born), "Ister". However the last line is a little odd with the words, "the son of Germany obeys no law." Hitler was born in Austria, not Germany.

But on the other hand, Nostradamus has the following quatrain:

So there was supposed to be a King of Terror in July 1999 (or August 1999, by the calendar used in Nostradamus' time). The great king of the Mongols could have implied Asia, and the reference to Mars reigning could have meant there there would be a lot of warfare. But oddly, I don't remember anything happening in July 1999 (or August 1999) involving a lot of war in Asia.

Also the prophecies of Nostradamus have another flaw. There is no record of anyone deciphering a prophecy before the event actually happened. It's only after something happens that we look at a quatrain and say that Nostradamus predicted it.

Predicting the future is about as possible as time travel, which I'm reasonably certain is impossible because there are no substantiated claims of people meeting other people on a vacation from the future.

Vauge prophecies are meant to be vauge so they can be applied to anything you wish. I didnt mention Nostradamus, Revelations or any ather vauge prophecies for precisely this reason. Prophecies such as the Bible Codes, seem to spell events out in detail, giving precise dates. I've followed the Codes for about 5 years, and not one of the prophecies for 2003, 4, 5, or 6 ever came true. So at least I can say, I have evidence that the Bible Codes dont work. Instead of the BC's are bullshit....

I also would have to say, after actually doing some reading on both sides of the issue, that the Mayan Calender date of Dec 21 2012 is just a transitional phase from one epoch of time to the next. I dont have enough evidence to say either way on the I Ching fractals, it simply ends at 2012, with some peaks at important events along the way.

I will never say never though....predicting the future may be exceedingly difficult, just as faster than light travel, or time travel may be. But Never Impossible.

We could turn on our TVs tomorrow and find that they don't come on.

Hmmmmm.....I suppose thats possible....or we could never wake up because a GRB just burned off our atmosphere, and boiled away the oceans....that would be a case where the sum of our decisions today did not make the future tomorrow.

It's enough to keep you awake, isn't it? Sleep in peace, man.

I sleep fine, if some wildcard event such as a GRB, asteroid impact or super volcano were to occur, oh well.....theres not a hell of a lot I can do about it. They sure do put a damper on any logical, reasonable type of future predications though.....

I think it's easier for people to believe that there's a logical explanation for everything, as it gives them a false sense of security. Personally, I believe that there are things which can't always be rationalized.

I think you're exactly right. People know that wild card events are possible, but they prefer to think that it wont happen to them. I've followed global warming for 15 years, most people then though I was nuts. 10 years ago I wasn't nuts, just an alarmist. 5 years ago I was getting through but most thought it still wouldn't affect them, only future generations need worry. Now you don't need to be a scientist to see whats going on, and by the time we decide to do something it may be to late. Most people are happy to go about their daily lives and not worry about such things until they're directly affected. They're content in their false sense of security.

Global warming isn't even remotely related to what's being discussed in this thread. In fact, the evidence for global warming - and the arguments people have been making regarding it - are specifically related to the arguments that have been made against the prophecies outlined here.

Global warming was not prophesied. Instead, the evidence, even very early on, was based on putting together logical, scientific explanations based on past trends and current behaviour.

In fact, I don't really understand the assertion that those who argue against wasting time thinking about prophesies that don't fit in any way, shape, or form with the way we know the world to work are finding any "false sense of security." For one thing, no one's saying that catastrophic events can't happen. You'll notice that there are plenty of people concerned, for example, about a catastrophic asteroid impact. Those concerns are based on past evidence and trends: asteroids have impacted in the past and they will impact again, and sometimes the impact will be so significant as to wipe out the dominant species. Some are more relaxed about the concerns, since the odds are so remote, but you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who values science and knowledge in any way to claim that it will never happen. We don't know an asteroid impact will happen because of a prophesy: we know because it has happened before.

It is often claimed that, in an atheistic worldview - one which does not allow for prophesy, the universe is a cold, depressing place. There is no false sense of comfort there. While most events will follow the pattern of the past, those events all have no meaning. Katrina, for example, has no meaning. It was a terrible hurricane which killed many people for no reason at all. They are not going to a better place for their suffering, they are just dead. That's not comforting at all.

On the other hand, I live in Chicago and feel relatively confident that I will not be taken out by a giant tsunami anytime soon. Could it happen? Well...sure, perhaps if there was a significant enough asteroid impact in one of the oceans. Is it likely, not particularly. The knowledge that it's not likely to happen isn't comforting, just like the knowledge that it COULD happen isn't anything to be afraid of. It is what it is: just knowledge. I could choose to focus on the extremely remote possibility of it, and live my life worried about something that is almost certain to not effect me, or I can live with the knowledge that it may happen, but choose to live my life to its fullest not worrying about such remote things.

Prophesy, on the other hand, provides a whole ton of comfort. See, prophesy requires some greater force behind it. To make the example more concise, let's look at prophesy from a Christian perspective and specifically assume that there is a prophesy regarding a great tsunami, like I just mentioned previously. The great thing about that, assuming I'm Christian, is that if the prophesy is true, there is something else to follow after I'm killed by the tsunami. If I truly believe in such prophesies, I'm likely to be very careful to live according to the rules of the god represented in the prophesy, and therefore able to feel confident that I really have nothing to worry about. If there's any false sense of security, it is arguably there.

Prophesy allows for tragic events to have meaning. If the prophesy is more specific, such as the assassination of a world leader, then there is comfort that such acts are part of a Greater Narrative. And, the large majority of the time, that narrative includes Good prevailing in the end. No reason to worry there. If the prophesy is more globally tragic, such as a terrible tsunami, it provides comfort beyond just knowing it's part of a Great Narrative, but also in the knowledge that, if one dies as a result of the prophecy, they have something to look forward to afterwards.

Which brings me to the most important effect of prophecy. How does someone know that they don't have to worry about either 1) being killed by the tragic, prophesied event, or 2) what happens after dying in the tragic, prophesied event? They do everything they're told to by the religion which claims the prophesy. "Do this, and you will be protected from the great terrible things to come." The person who follows the rules - let's say, goes to church every Sunday - then lives with a false sense of security that even if an asteroid does impact the ocean and cause a giant tsunami they really don't have to worry about it. It is those people who don't particularly concern themselves with researching technologies to prevent potential asteroid impacts, or the catastrophic effects of global warming. These tragic things are all just part of God's Plan, and those who do what they're told have nothing to worry about.

It's all a matter of perspective. To the person who believes in prophecy, those who don't will surely look like they have a false sense of security. That is because believing in such prophesies requires living in fear of them and persistently concerning oneself with what must be done to prevent succumbing to their negative effects. There are only two options then: a false sense of security, or irrational fear. From that perspective, one who doesn't follow the prophesies either isn't as secure as you are, or isn't sufficiently afraid of what you are, respectively.

On the other hand, someone who does not believe in such prophesies, but does understand that abnormal events do occur, has what they believe to be a healthy sense of realism about the situation. Is it possible that an asteroid will impact the earth? Absolutely. Should we dedicate some energy to detecting such asteroids and developing methods to prevent such impacts? Absolutely. Should we be any more than only barely worried about such impacts? No. But, as the boy scouts say, be prepared.

In sum, prophesy is simply cosmological and mental terrorism.

As far as I know, if I want to mention a subject as an example, that has a correlation to the matter being discussed, that is my perogative. Others mentioned wild card events before I did, so I don't see why global warming, isn't relevant to the discussion. Since a 20 ft rise in sea level could displace millions of people, and destroy billions of dollars worth of property, that seems relevant to me.

My point wasn't that you shouldn't mention it, my point is that it's not a prophesy in any way. In fact, it is exactly what the detractors in this thread are asking of the prophesy in the original post: something with evidence, extrapolating the future based off of past trends and current knowledge. Prophesy is necessarily not that.

No its not a prophecy.......... When someone stated that "Humans Cant Predict The Future", I knew this was a "flawed" statement. With a few simple questions I was able to let other members show why this is so. The future can be predicted, in a limited fashion, but anomalous events are always the wrench in the works. Perhaps those anomalies are what the prophecies are about, although there is no direct evidence.

I was surprised how many assumptions were made. I believe in God, therefore I must be a Christian. A Christian who posts a thread about prophecies associated with a galactic alignment, must believe these prophecies. Way to many assumptions.

You're very right that it wasn't a prophecy. Astronomy has had its math behind it for...a very long time now. Here's hoping some anomaly doesn't fly in and wreck us before we become aware of the nature of things.

(Miust I disagree, still, that someone who believes in god must necessarily be a christian, and that someone who does not must not be one?)

Well, I think we could get along well enough except for such distinctions.

Ya get the feeling that somebody wants the last word??? Absolutely Not! :) You can have the last word....:no:

The only thing you'll see in 2012 is me laughing at a bunch of new-agey saps who have created a bunch of incoherent myths surrounding the Mayan long count.

Every generation is vain enough to think it will be the last, and every generation has its "end of the world" paranoia.

Welcome, ProfessorMayhem. It's extravagant language you've used, but feel free.

I never did get the last word.......:)

I put it in my Outlook Calendar

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...cthalendar.jpg

Cool Burger! OCM has already built a fallout shelter thats impervious to all known anomalous catastrophes! The bastard refuses to share tho.....:orly:

wait, the world is ending in 2012? i guess it would be pointless to make babies then...better hold off for at least 6 years, just in case.

maddox is funny, more than funny, but that article (or whatever it's called) on astrology disappointed.

In 2012, I'll be elsewhere. Everyone's invited to the shelter.

actually it's the other way around. Science/logic KNOWS full and well that it doesn't know everything. That's why it exists, in order to try to know the universe better and more fully.

what's going on in this thread, as I see it, is that Dave is talking beliefs, while those with whom he is arguing, are talking science. the gulf between the two modes of thinking is immeasurable and unspannable.


can you not agree, Dave, that there are no empirical data or data trends to suggest that anything out of the ordinary (i.e. one of your "wild card events") is going to happen on Dec 21, 2012? because THAT is what is being suggested, tho in cruder terms (i.e. "astrology is bullshit).

Read the thread again, I never suggested anything now did I???

I predict that on 22 December 2012, there will be the Great Disappointment when people wake up and realize that the apocalypse is not upon them and they only have 3 shopping days left.

actually, you made several suggestions, including the one I quoted. however, no, you did not suggest that anything out of the ordinary is going to happen on the date in question. you merely argued that those who are claiming that there is no logical, empirically supported reason to think that something will happen are using flawed arguments. in point of fact, they are not.

The apocalypse is here already.
Predicting the future is useless, it's better to try to live in the present

http://www.ashidakim.com/zenkoans/98non-attachment.html
http://www.rosenoire.org/archives/Hagakure.pdf

...So do your shopping early.
You win, QuasiMondo!

12-21-12 will come and go with no more noise than any other day. ...our counting makes no difference.

Its the date of the final alien invasion! It must be true, I saw it on the X-Files.

http://www.tv.com/the-x-files/the-tr...st;ep_title;19

The most perceptive comment in this thread to date.

What is your galactic alignment "footprint"?

Be sure to purchase your Al Gore approved "Galactic Alignment Offsets" today!
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I'm not sure what Al Gore has to do with a Galactic Alignment, The Mayan Calender, Bible Codes, or the I-Ching. If he is aware of any of these, I'm sure he doesn't lose sleep over them. :)

Just an attempt at a little humor... nothing deep or confrontational.

An interesting thread... I shall toss in my twopence!

First, as was mentioned a few posts above, logic dictates that we never have certainty over things. Even the "laws" of physics can be broken under the right laboratory experiment. Very little, if anything, is ever assured in life.

Secondly, remember that the universe is far bigger than us. While I agree that humans cannot generally predict future events with any amount of success other than what sheer luck brings them, I also believe that certain larger events escape our grasp because we are mortal, and shortly so. How many generations does it take for lessons to be forgotten?

Also, keep in mind that your average person today is not nearly as tuned in to the natural (and probably spiritual) world around them as people were hundreds or thousands of years ago. Back in the day, that's all there was. You had to understand the land you farmed, the sea you sailed, the heavens you prayed to as best you could. Today our beliefs are fickle and often unfounded. A healthy dose (if there is such a thing) of wikipedia does not a knowledgeable person make.

So, in the end, never say never, anything is possible, and trying to state you are 100% certain one way or the other makes you a gambler or a fool and nothing more.

It may be possible, but is it probable?

Perhaps not, but improbable things actually happen all the time. Is it as likely as the sun rising each morning? I don't think so. That doesn't make it less reasonable to believe there's a chance.

Here's my thing with odds... what are YOUR odds of winning the Power Ball? astronomical. But remember that it's won every couple of weeks by someone. Is it likely that our sun will suddenly go *poof*? No, but stars come and go all the time in the grand scale of things. *shrug*

the odds are 1 in 146,107,962 of any given ticket winning the big jackpot. however, if 10 million tickets are played, the odds that one of them is the winner are a mere 1 in 14.6.

the odds of a sun blinking out of existence are even more astronomical (pun intended), but given the vast array of stars out there, it's bound to happen. Major astrological events happen all the time. In their own time (which moves far slower than humans really care to understand).

At any rate, I'm not saying 2012 will be anything other than another year. I'm just saying those who staunchly disbelieve it are no more correct than those that take it to heart.

Also, sion, your statistics are flawed. It would only be 1 in 14.6 if every one of the 10M tickets had different sets of numbers.

Is what probable??? Perhaps someone could clarify what they think will occur. I started this thread because I have an interest in astronomy and this event only happens once every 26,000 years, so most humans never get the chance to live at such a time.

http://alignment2012.com/whatisGA.htm

I also included the other prophetic references, because it seemed odd that so many pointed to this date as a time of change or catastrophe.

http://alignment2012.com/

From what I understand we are not in the "End Days" of the calendar, but rather in the no time part. I think the end of the Maya calendar was 1973 or something, and the current cycle is the lead up to a new beginning in 2012. Some people have noted a subtle speed up of time/experience that they assume ties into the time of transition claimed by the Maya. Because of the many myths in agreement on this, there does seem to be reason for the belief in "something".
I admit there is a draw to the concept of ages...but as I don't feel a need to worry about things I don't understand, I will simply keep doing what I do, and try to be happy about it.

true, but since that's pretty much incalculable...

the point is that the odds that there will be a winner are not nearly as astronomical as one might think. many orders of magnitude more likely.

??? more info please.

why? to me, it only suggests that humans tend to come up with the same supernatural explanations for the things they dont understand.


"Ages" or "Eras" are concepts applied to history after the fact by historians. the universe neither knows nor cares about the labels we apply

Obviously... I was just clarifying. At any rate, you are only supporting exactly my claim. When you look at odds, there are many vantage points you can take with them. Any given event has certain odds of occurring, even if they are not calculable by mere humans. Regardless of how unlikely something may be, there's still a CHANCE of it occurring.

Galactic alignment won't affect us. I'd bet the farm on that. I'd also bet that we make noise when it doesn't need to be made - like I just did.

What are the odds of us understanding each other?

Our universe provides the means, and they won't be any more available to disbelief.

will galactic alignment keep the solar system from pulling to the left on the highway?

I experienced a considerable slowing of time passing last Thursday/Friday, as did all those I spoke to of it. Did gravity get heavier? Did god interfere? Was it one of those shared moments we all long for?

Or was it an effect of the oncoming galactic alignment?

Our world might never know.

Just hide out in your anomalous proof fallout shelter OCM, and dont sweat the small shit. God will protect you there, and the collective conscious of the world will hold you close to its bosom. If a stray GRB does fry the entire world and your shelter doesnt work, you can always say you tried......:)

I'm trying even now:
I love you DaveMatrix.

What do YOU think will happen in December, 2012?

A Galactic Alignment will happen. Didn't you read the thread??? :)

Seriously, I don't believe that day will be the end of the world, or anything even close. Aliens wont invade, no GRB, no tsunamis or earthquake storms, but there is a chance it could snow.

If people really did believe that day would be their last, that wouldn't be such a bad thing. If I knew I only had a few years to live, I would fill my life up to the very brim, with everything that brings me joy & happiness. If others did the same, that wouldn't suck. Unless murder & mayhem brings you happiness...:)

Ilydm!!!!!!

if we actually KNEW that this particular day (or any specific day, for that matter) would be the end of the world, and there was nothing we could do about it, people would quit planning for the future and start living in the present. which, in theory, wouldnt be a bad idea, until you consider that many (most?) are generally law abiding only for fear of spending years in jail. I think civilization would begin to degenerate immediately upon learning of such news, and the degeneration would accelerate as the impending day drew nearer and nearer. by the final 6 months, the entire planet would be in utter chaos, with murder and mayhem being the rule rather than the exception.

No doubt Sion, if we knew a ELE asteroid was on the way, I'm sure that scenario would soon follow.

I've already told you that BOR will get jealous, so stop that! :eek: