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Old 01-13-2007, 10:07 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Here in America we are afforded a narcotic lifestyle like no other nation can match. Even our cultural lookalikes in Europe, and perhaps even Canada (maybe some of our Canadian comrades here can chime in on their own behalf), do not lead the same sheltered, consumption-obsessed lifestyle that we do.
Not exactly on topic, but what could you possibly be basing this on?

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mixedmedia, our military is not a force of miracle workers. Tragic as the killing in Rwanda was, at the time, there was no grassroots domestic pressure upon the POTUS to involve US troops, and even if Clinton had overridden objections, the description above makes an argument for the idea that it would not have been a responsible use of US troops, given the level of unrest and the lack of support from other UN members. The lack of support from other UN members was a good argument for delaying the March, 2003, US invasion of Iraq, too.
That was actually my biggest issue with Clinton. He had no courage or convictions. He always did what was politically popular, he didn't do anything because he felt it was right. How many US troops died in Somalia? Less than 20 I believe, and we turned tail and abandoned Somalia to chaos.

The UN is made up of countries with opposing political ambitions and is therefore largely incapable of action. Look at Darfur. This has been going on for years and years and even with US pressure, no action was taken. If UN support is required before anything is done in these situations, then it's pretty much guaranteed that nothing will happen until it's much, much too late.

It's easy to bash Bush for making unwise decisions on the use of force, and handling things incompetently, but one thing I have to give him is that he has courage in his convictions. That's not to say I am a Bush supporter, but the thing that always bothered me most about Clinton was I felt that being popular was his #1 priority and he would never chose to make an unpopular choice even if it was the right thing to do.

Hmm interesting, if you make 2 posts in a row in the same thread it merges them? Didn't realize that hehe.

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Old 01-13-2007, 11:22 AM   #42 (permalink)
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hehe. ...better brains than brawn in the white house! If not for his little head he would not have had such problems.
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Old 01-13-2007, 01:54 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Not exactly on topic, but what could you possibly be basing this on?
LOL, uh, I don't know. How about 41 years experience as an American?
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Old 01-13-2007, 02:17 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Individual packaging remains our lot. The victims and aggressors remain in the same boat, much to the consternation of both parties, not knowing each other and pretending it's better that way.
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Old 01-13-2007, 02:36 PM   #45 (permalink)
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It's easy to bash Bush for making unwise decisions on the use of force, and handling things incompetently, but one thing I have to give him is that he has courage in his convictions. That's not to say I am a Bush supporter, but the thing that always bothered me most about Clinton was I felt that being popular was his #1 priority and he would never chose to make an unpopular choice even if it was the right thing to do.
The problem with Bush is that he choses to holdfast to his convictions even if its the wrong thing to do. Having courage and conviction in doing whatever it is you wish to accomplish, despite the fact that it has been made abundantly clear it is harmful and futile, is not courage; its stubborness.

In his case, its better not to know.
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Old 01-13-2007, 03:19 PM   #46 (permalink)
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The problem with Bush is that he choses to holdfast to his convictions even if its the wrong thing to do. Having courage and conviction in doing whatever it is you wish to accomplish, despite the fact that it has been made abundantly clear it is harmful and futile, is not courage; its stubborness.

In his case, its better not to know.

Thank you, Ch'i. You said exactly what I wanted to say, but was feeling too happy to put into words, lol.

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Old 01-13-2007, 05:01 PM   #47 (permalink)
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I wish he knew more...
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