debaser

Thanks for completely ignoring my post. My "black and white" mind has now conveniently pigeonholed you into the category of casuistic.

Have a day.

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raeanna74

If you are truely apathetic concerning the amish then why did you regard their culture enough to make a whole thread and concern yourself with arguing your lack of respect?? You do care that they don't conform or you would not have bothered to post this thread. I don't believe you that you really feel that way about them. Otherwise you would stop concerning yourself with this thread.

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Cynthetiq

there was a thread sometime back about the very words and feelings behind "respect." you asked me how I felt, I answered an honest answer not trying to be disingenuous. sorry that I don't understand your point of view and was trying quite hard to.

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debaser

I didn't start the thread. What I have spent my time on this thread for is to challenge those who feel I must believe as they do or else somehow be a, oh what was that word, bigot. This is not so.

Apathy was just an example of a middle ground betwixt respect and disrespect, though it does adequately explain how I feel about the Amish.

Again, the Amish have done nothing to earn either my respect or my disrespect.

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shakran

Look, to be completely honest you're making yourself look foolish here. If you say you do NOT RESPECT something, and the defintion of disrespect is to NOT RESPECT something, then you DISRESPECT it. I don't know how Cynthetiq could have spelled this out more clearly for you. You do disrespect the Amish.

And if your "nerdy etymological joke" involved the fact that "denigrate" has the letter string "nig" in there, and therefore must refer to "nigger," then you're showing your vast ignorance of the language, because "denigrate" stems from the 1500's, long before anyone came up with the offensive term in question.



And Ustwo, you WILL collect social security. The Amish will never collect it - it goes against their beliefs.

debaser

Actually shakran, denigrate is from the latin denigrare, "to blacken". I just found it humorous that you should use that term in the context you did. Perhaps that just shows my vast ignorance of humor as well.



edited for spelling (how embarrassing)

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Willravel

WHAT?!!!??!

shakran

Just seeing if you were paying attention

Yes, debaser, I know where denigrate comes from. Just wanted to be sure people didn't think it was a racist term ala the "niggardly" political fiasco.

debaser

Of course. Just to clarify further, I was the one being nerdy.

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Willravel

Ah, but I was the nerdiest. I only came in the discussion for a few posts, and a few of them were to try and get control over an overzelous new member....then my last post was 100% joke. Being a transient verb has it's advantages.

Ustwo

I don't want it, I won't get out what I put in, its a stupid idea, its against my beliefs to pay money into a stupid idea all politicians are too afraid to touch until its to late.

I'm wearing a straw hat and they can come take it, the SS money, not my hat.

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Alas, we may live in a world where not even straw hats are safe.

Lady Sage

Ahhh but alas, you have three businesses in which you must pay taxes and provide benefits to your employees. I am afraid you are stuck in the loop.

Amish pay their taxes in cash and walk away. They have no employees in which to worry about. There is something to be said for the simple life.

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sonofagun

I get where he's coming from, and I agree with him. Not to say that the dictionary is <i>wrong</i>, but I don't think it should be worded as it is. There's a yes, a no, and a maybe - you respect, disrespect, or don't care. It may be technically correct that 'dis' is 'not' and so qualifies as a lack of respect, but disrespect has negative connotations. Whereas disrespect <i>should</i>, etymologically just mean lack of respect, it is assumed that when one disrespects another they have negative feelings towards them. This may, however, not be the case. To respect means to hold in high esteem, to disrespect means to not have a high esteem for - but not necessarily to hold in disdain [yipes, there's that dis- again!].

What debaser is saying - regardless of etymology and definition - is that he doesn't dislike the Amish, but doesn't have reason to hold them in high regard. Yes, he's using disrespect incorrectly, but that's what he means (and you know it, so there's no point in going on and on about how he disrespects the Amish, because you know what his feelings are, even if they're not communicated entirely correctly). I personally feel that every verb like this should not only be a matter of yes or no, but have a middle-ground. Disrespect, while only really meaning to not hold in high esteem, has connotations of being in opposition. Being unsupportive is one thing, but being actively against it is quite another.