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Please Will stay consistant in your ideas, it makes it much easier. Now assuming that terrorism is in fact real in the west and that 9/11 wasn't some conspiracy of the shadow people, we can talk. Yes we will lose soldiers, and its part of their job as soliders to be in the line of fire. It sucks but thats part of a war and we are in fact in a war. I'm not going to play the 'why do they hate us game', I'm not full of self doubt and loathing looking for an excuse to blame my culture for homocidal maniacs. This is a power play and one thats been going on a long time. They hate us because the powers that be have been teaching them to hate us (and Israel) for a few generations now. Someone doesn't just decide randomly to become a human bomb because they hate you, its a value that has been instilled in them by their leadership. |
interesting.
the actual pretext for this thread--which is rapidly becoming little more than a repeat of the politics thread about the pope's speech a week ago friday--has largely disappeared. . the guy whose opera production is at the center of this tempest in a teapot has made his ENTIRE career as a provacateur. (again) i think it naive to not see this press release as a simple extension of these techniques. (like i suggested earlier) maybe the production was axed for other reasons--like the bad reception of its 2003 run---and neuefeld responded by taking it public---at this particular moment--which has generated a huge amount of press most of which is in effect an argument that the production should be put on as some kind of act of defiance, a gesture in defense of free speech--so neuefeld positions himself as some kind of free speech martyr--the only beneficiary of this would be him--the outcome: more gigs for the martyr of free speech blah blah blah. the actual problem here is simply that the opera company of berlin yanked the production from its schedule. you DO understand that this is a non-event, right? so the debate is, strictly speaking, about nothing. |
every time I see this thread title I keep thinking the terrorists got Oprah.
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I concur, roachboy. I just now read this thread because I was really curious about why there was more than a post or two.
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I'm just pissed off with them self-censoring. Do the production, if it offends someone then you deal with it, don't go pussying around before hand because it may or may not.
It really fucks me off when people over here do that too 'oh look, someone might, possibly, if only a teeny bit, get offended with our countries flag, so your not allowed to put it up'. |
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