Miss Deaf Texas killed by train...
 

Link: http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/15/mis...xas/index.html

Note my emphasis...

(CNN) -- Deaf beauty contest winner Tara McAvoy was walking along the railroad tracks from her Austin, Texas, home to her mother's workplace, text-messaging family and friends, when a train struck her, according to the Austin Police Department.

A Massachusetts-born Texan, who liked to quote "Don't mess with Texas," the 18-year-old was going to represent the Lone Star State at the Miss Deaf America Pageant in Palm Desert, California, this July.

It was one of many pageants McAvoy had entered, "both in the hearing community and in the deaf community," said Claire Bugen, superintendent of the Texas School for the Deaf, on Wednesday. McAvoy was a 2005 graduate of the school, where she played sports and acted in theater.

"She was a beautiful, bright, young deaf woman," said Bugen.

The Austin Police Department received a 911 call from Union-Pacific, which owns the train, at 2:18 p.m. Monday, said Laura Albrecht, spokesperson for the Austin Police Department. (Watch as witnesses describe accident -- 1:33)

"Our understanding is that she text-messaged the family, and yes, the family members were going to pick her up," Albrecht added.

McAvoy was walking northbound along the railroad ties, with her back to the train as it approached, said Austin Police Department detective David Fugitt. "We have information that she was text-messaging family and friends" at the time, he added.

A horn sounded, but "they weren't able to get a response" from her, Fugitt said.

"At that point, they activated their emergency braking system, but they weren't able to stop in time."

A snowplow -- commonly referred to as "cattle-guards" for pushing items away from the tracks to avoid train damage -- was what struck McAvoy, who was estimated to be "no more than a foot" from the tracks, Fugitt said.

"The snowplow extends approximately 16 inches on each side from the train," he said, and was mounted to the front engine of the train.

McAvoy died at the scene from "multiple traumatic injuries," Fugitt said.

Fugitt said there were witnesses who had heard the horn sound and that the police department was actively seeking anyone who had seen the accident occur.

An investigation is under way with Union Pacific and the Travis County Medical Examiner's Office, Fugitt said. He said the Austin Police Department was awaiting information from Union Pacific on how fast the train, with its 24 cars and two engines, was going.

McAvoy's funeral is set for Saturday morning in Austin.

In addition to her schooling at the Texas School for the Deaf, McAvoy briefly attended the Model Secondary School for the Deaf, which is affiliated with Gallaudet University, in Washington. A profile on its Web site said McAvoy was class president, a cheerleader, on the prom committee and played basketball.

"She will be sorely missed," said Laura Loeb-Hill, director of the Miss Deaf Texas Pageant, in an e-mail Wednesday. "Tara represented Texas with dignity and pride."


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First of all, anyone making fun of the situation will be slapped harshly.

But here's the thing:

If I was blind, I wouldn't walk home down the middle of the interstate (or along the side of it, for that matter)... so why the hell would she think it was an ok idea to 1. walk down a set of railroad tracks, and 2. not be paying any attention to her surroundings, in such a dangerous situation?

So my question to you is this:

1. Darwin awards candidate for dying in a totally stupid way, or
2. tragic accident?

Sure it's something we wish didn't happen, sure she was a great example for people in general, but great to her community... but come on. That's not a mistake. That's kinda stupid, in my opinion.

Option 1. It's not paticularly smart for anyone to be walking the tracks, but for a deaf woman, it's just plain stupid. From what the article says, though, she wasn't directly on the tracks, but instead was a foot or so away, so perhaps she thought she'd be fine if she didn't perceive a train coming?

That's sad, but it seems really, really avoidable. WTF, was deafness a recent thing for her? It doesn't make any sense.

Man, I'm the only tragic accident vote. I don't feel like looking for a bunch of examples, but I'm guessing a lot of people die every year doing rather mundane things, and frequently doing things that you would retrospectively say "stupid idea." Fact is, usually we all get away with it. This time, she didn't. I wouldn't be surprised if someone in that situation would take some risks like this, just in order to specifically not feel limited by their condition.

DEAF BEAUTY CONTEST WINNER? Honest to god...
Sorry about the tangent, but sheesh.

You'd think she'd feel the vibration of the train getting closer at least. She may not have a sense of hearing but should at least have some sense.

And not all trains have the plows on the front!, but even if that train didn't have one it would have been damn close!

I'm a sighted hearing person and I don't go walking down the fucking railroad tracks because trains can kill a person.

I can't even express what kind of dumbass goes for a walk on the tracks, texting on a damn phone, with the certain knowlege that they can't HEAR a train should one come.

C'mon, she was 18, and she wasn't deaf yesterday. It's a TRAIN. You have to be a certified dumbass to get hit by one. They don't sneak up on you. They only ride on tracks. They can't hop off the tracks and decide to suprise you midway through your local Wal-Mart. You have to be the idiot who walks into thier way, and fails to notice the thousands of tons of noisy, rumbling steel thundering it's way towards you.

Generally, you have quite a bit of sight warning before the moving wall of steel gets to where you are.

Unless, of course, you're walking right next to the tracks, focused on a cell phone, with full knowledge that you can't hear one coming. C'mon. She was 18. That's sad and so damn avoidable it hurts.

It was totally avoidable. No question. I'd love to know what she was thinking walking anywhere near railroad tracks.

stupid, sad, but especially stupid

Maybe this says something about the caliber of entrants in the miss deaf texas pagent?

Unfortunate that she's dead but 100% avoidable. Death by stupidity is my vote.

I'm I the only one who is a bit bemused that there is a 'Miss Deaf' contest to start with?

Anything beyond 'Miss Nude' seems a waste of effort.

I have to wonder...since she was walking about a foot from the tracks...why didn't she "feel" the rumble of the train coming down the tracks?

That was my thinking. I can feel trucks go down the road-I'd think a train vibration would be a lot stronger.
I agree, it was a senseless way to go, along the lines of the two recent 'couple found naked and dead in car' incidents of this past week.(The second occurred in New York, he was 21, she, 28)
A foot is damn close-look at your hand, it's probably 8-10 inches long. Even without that 'plow', she put herself in mortal danger. This is one of those more tragic 'wtf was she thinking or was she at all' moments.

I used to walk along the tracks on a gravel road that probably was a second set of tracks at one time. A few times, the train was surprisingly quiet and was almost next to me before I knew it was there. Walking on the tracks, or a foot away from them is not a good idea, especially if you are preoccupied with something else or have an impairment like deafness.

As someone deaf .. it does take extra work to pay attention to your surroundings in order to be safe ... Everybody makes mistakes .. we don't know enough information about the situation to make judgement calls - but I personally would have expected to feel the train ... and would have chosen somewhere else to walk to begin with.

I'm deaf too and fuck man, that is absolutely stupid. First off all, I wouldn't be caught dead walking along train tracks. Second of all, what deaf person has a fuckin cell phone?

*cell phone rings* Hold on a sec, I gotta take this one

Wasn't she using it for text messaging? I can see that. Plus...my phone has a vibrate feature on it, so I don't piss people off in meetings. So...why not?

I was under the impression that deaf people were more sensitive to vibration. I used to live by the tracks and my whole house would shake when the train rolled by.

Even so, I don't feel comfortable walking down tracks. Even the old tracks -that haven't been used in years and are overgrown make me feel a little uncomfortable. Then again; for some reason I am completely paranoid when it comes to walking near large moving vehicles.

I used to have a book about the darwin awards. Some of it was funny in a freudenshade kinda way... but some of it was strictly bad taste -like kids dying because they didn't know any better. In this case, if the deaf girl was recently deaf... if she wasn't sensitive to vibrations or perhaps the train didn't emanate vibrations... This is a tragedy.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dw...6/0316tara.jpg

I didn't know that. Ever try out for the Miss Deaf America Pageant? You'd be a shoe in. :thumbsup:

I think 'don't play on the train tracks' is a pretty basic lesson one should learn, reguardless of their ability to hear or not.

Yes, its a shame, yes its a Darwin Award.

Amen. Sounds to me like something that started as empowerment for disabled people turned out to be a big joke.

I hope that Miss Blind can avoid the same fate by not walking along train tracks.

I can't imagine why anyone would walk along tracks, deaf or not. How often do we read or see news stories about people being killed while walking along train tracks. Typically, these people are usually intoxicated so their judgment is impaired. Walking along train tracks is just a bad idea, period.

For me, I wouldn't go so far as to nominate this for a Darwin Award, but I would still vote it as being avoidable.

didn't the train engineer see the sash? when will it end? trains and beauty pageant winners just don't mix.

More annoyed than bemused. It's not like deaf people are less attractive than normal people.

Yeah but to have a cellphone only used for text messaging seems a bit expensive and a waste of money

Imagine how worn out her keypad must be...

Nah, it just builds a sense of community. Sort of like having a homecoming queen. She's not necessarily the prettiest girl in the whole city, just in your school.

Oh, and feelgood - re: cellphones for textmessaging....I assume you're familiar with the Japanese? From what I understand, those cats are something crazy about sending a text message. As in, they're getting thumb-specific carpal tunnel syndrome and whatnot.

It is a sad thing but I gotta go with #1.

I used to live less than 100ft from a railroad track. All along those tracks was a wide sandy area that made a perfect sandbox. I used to play there often. But even as a 6 yr old I knew enough to stay a little ways away from the tracks. There were small bushes along the tracks and I made sure I kept any of those bushes between me and the tracks. I knew if those bushes were fine there would be no train that would be wide enough to hit me. Even so I would move back even farther when any trains did come.

To walk along the tracks like that was sheer stupidity, even off to the side a small bit.

The T - Mobile side kick is INSANELY popular with the deaf crowd around me - having the other capabilities like web surfing and email helps offset the cost... plus we can also get rebate discounts through certain companies/organizations.

I am deaf and use a cell phone that is compatible with my hearing aid.

Wow you learn new stuff about people here everyday. But you can still hear a little with the hearing aid in right?

No .. I just like having a really expensive piece of machinary in my ear all the time :p


With my hearing aid out, I am oblivious to the world .. case in point ... I can sleep in a room full of kids screaming at the top of their lungs and playing.

I played on tracks when I was a kid...I never had a train come up on me. I also know that when I was 18, I wasn't the brightest bulb and did some pretty stupid things.

I don't think that if I was deaf I'd walk along tracks, but you never know what was going through her mind. I think this is pretty much a tragic accident.

I just wanted to add that I doubt this was an accident. Based on the facts I've seen and facts I know of the young woman, I would say that this is indeed a tragic loss of life. However, don't tag her as a dumbass. I'm confident that she knew exactly what was going on.

So you're saying you think she commited suicide?

As a member of the "Young and Stupid" community I have to say that I find walking down train tracks to be a rather relaxing activity, since they usually go through areas that have very few people in them, gives me a sense of isolation. Of course while I'm doing this I do keep at least some of my attention towards making sure I'm not about to be turned into a 300 ft. bloody smear along the tracks.

I think she probably walked along the tracks alot, and just got a complacent because she had done it so many times before with no problems. And this time a moment of inattention came back to bite her in the ass.

So your deafness is kinda look becuase if you don;t wanna listen to someone just take it out...me I can't do that, sometimes I wish I could!

Stupidity doesn't discriminate.


... I sound like a bumper sticker.

To me it's all of the above. Stupid, avoidable and sad.

Our family GP died after being hit by a train (years back). He wasn't deaf or blind.

Even smart people often to stupid things - particularly if they are tired, drunk or if it's become a habit. And who knows, she may have been depressed or something.

this is orta the equivalent to people wearing headphones while riding a bike...

ok..i know ill get castrated for this...but here goes anyways...

anyone thought about the following:

- maybe it wasnt cos she was deaf
- maybe it wasnt cos she was dumb
- maybe it wasnt cos she was stupid
- maybe it wasnt cos it was intentional

but rather it was cos she was blonde?

Not necessariliy. Given the circumstances and events that happened, it does not appear to be blatant suicide.

However, there are obvious issues going on in the girl's life. And most people agree that it it does not seem very likely to just get hit by a train. Considering that, I would not write her off as just a dumbass.

I have know several people that died in a way most of the posters on this board would consider stupid. In most of those cases, there was something much deeper that most people just did not know.

Perhaps sending text messages is just as distracting to a deaf person as it is a hearing person.

And thats why I don't use my text message's!

I really don't feel comfortable ever saying that someone died out of their own stupidity. Things happen, and sometimes when you least expect it. We all do stupid thing without thinking sometimes, and some people die because of those exact same things, yet we did not. I think it's always tragic when a person dies, even in a way that could have been avoided. I didn't know the girl and don't know what the actual circumstances were, so I don't feel it's fair to judge the situation in such a crude way. So I voted #2.

I'm of the mind that it was a stupid, avoidable way to die. Darwin award for sure.

Well, I think this was just tragic.. Yeah it may have been stupid, but still, she got hit by a train. I dunno, that's not very funny to me I guess.

I used to walk along train tracks all the time when I was growing up, but there was never very many trains that went by. I don't think I ever met a train as I was walking along the tracks though. Actually now that I think about it, it was pretty stupid. Oh well.

Good lord, does there really need to be a thread about this? Talk about kicking someone while they're down.

I agree. This whole post is really sour and I encourage a mod to take note of it and deal with it as necessary. The fact is that an 18 year old girl died in a horrible way. Most of the responses in this post are truly tasteless. If there is an issue about a politicial figure then most people can accept mocking comments. If there is a post about a burgler doing something stupid, most people can accept mocking. However, comments about an 18 year old girl that got killed in a horrible way for reasons that may never be known is very very shitty.

Heh, the OP is a mod, so talk it over with him.

As Carno said, the OP was a mod. If you look around I think you may suspect that he was/is trying to make a point with the thread. Or at least that is what I was assuming. There have been a few news posts of late where there was someone going out in a fashion that perhaps one would call Darwinish. By posting it in this manner and asking the question he did, perhaps people will rethink the circumstances of some of these deaths.

Since it's been brought to attention that I myself, the OP, am a Moderator, I'll go ahead and just answer to this directly.

Thousands of people die every day. If you really want to go toe-to-toe for tragedy, here you go: A tragic death is an infant who dies from malnourishment, or lack of medical care, because they had the misfortune of being born into a poor family. A tragic death is an innocent person murdered due to an act of violence and rage. A tragic death is your mom, dad, wife, husband, son, daughter, brother, sister, girlfriend, boyfriend, fiancee, best friend, etc., being struck down in a random incident due to the stupidity of another, such as drunk driving. Those, and only when examined individually, are tragedies.

A person dying by no fault but their own, doing something completely avoidable and incredibly stupid- on top of the fact that certain personal limitations of theirs compound the stupidity of doing such a thing... in my opinion, is not a tragedy.

Avoidable 'accidents' you bring upon yourself are not accidents at all, they're unfortunate inevitabilities- if you do something mortally stupid enough, you will likely die from such actions, and that's all there is to it.

I'd also like to add that when i formed this thread, I did so with the utmost care for the personal feelings this issue may cause, specifically saying i'd punish people who made light of the situation. I don't believe anyone has made fun of this topic, and have only stated their opinions that she died in a stupid, avoidable way.

I'm sorry if something struck a cord- but this is the reality of life, and the world around all of us. It's not callous or uncaring, it's just the way it is.

I just re-read and saw that you, yourself, state that mocking the death of some people is ok, but this is not. Well that's bullshit. You can't have it both ways. To begin with, this isn't mockery- it's pointing out the careless stupidity of the person who died. At best, the mockery is invoking the Darwin Awards, and I may give you that- but if you say this is not ok and some others are, then you're really just passing moral judgment for us all to follow, and to that I say: Having morals = good... forcing your morals onto others = not so good.

"forcing your morals onto others = not so good"

Forcing morals is called "law", and it has its place. I didn't and can't force you to do jack. This entire thread is a mockery of someone's death, and it is tasteless.

Your reply is the reply of a flustered BS'er who has been called out.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

...enjoy that opinion. I'll be over here laughing at its absurdity. :)

First, this really has nothing to do with morals. It has to do with ethics. Completely different.

Also, I never commented that mocking a particular death is okay. I said people can accept certain situations. A child (yes, an 18 year old is still a child in the U.S.) getting killed in this way is not accepted easily by very many people unless your an extremist with a skewed perspective of reality.

Next, I want to comment on your attack on my comments. Let me say that such an action by someone in a somewhat authoritative is truely pathetic. It undermines any legitimate statement you could have made. A simple of "I'm sorry if the posted offended someone," followed by an explanation of the post would have been sufficient. However, a defense is ridiculous. Let me just say that you took the low road, and I wouldn't want you to aid in my community.

Finally, let me comment on your definition of a tragedy. You're comment mimics that of someone who has never really experienced reality. You can argue semantics for the rest of your life. However, death, even in negligence, can be just as tragic as the conditions you described. Just ask mothers who lost their children due to stupid things there kids did.

No, you're incorrect, an 18 year old is an adult, in every state of the US. To say otherwise shows the true bias that so transparently colors your speech and leads you to slander me.

A defense of my position is not ridiculous, it is merely upholding my opinion against your dissent of it. Also, I did not attack your comments- my tone and speech was only that of disagreement. I said nothing even remotely personal, let alone an "attack". Not to mention that I DID say I was sorry if something struck a cord with you- but YES, reality is that this happened, and it was stupid and avoidable. You can't argue that walking along railroad tracks isn't stupid, and you can't argue that the death wasn't avoidable. You just can't. Saying a person's death was stupid and avoidable is not mocking them. It's pointing out the obvious.

The point of the thread was that some people, perhaps people like yourself, take upon their shoulders the weight of every even slightly significant death to grace their awareness. They put psychological monuments up to the death of a person whom they've never met, and for random reasons. People unnecessarily burden themselves with the deaths they perceive around them, assigning them some incredible level of importance even as the death itself was a display in stupidity.

So the general tone of your post is that I'm an asshole- some callous, heartless bastard who has "never really experienced reality" (whatever that means)... but in your mind, i'm going to get a fair and accurate appraisal of the term "tragedy" from a parent who has lost a child?

Yeah. Right. Ok. You keep thinking that. I'm kinda on the fence about abortion, maybe i'll go to a pro-life meeting and see what they think, just so i can get a fair and useful opinion. /sarcasm

Suggesting the answer to your assertion can be found in such a horrendously biased source is insulting to me.

My point is that this girl died a stupid, avoidable death. She did something extremely dangerous and foolish and SURPRISE she died, but is receiving tears of extreme sympathy from all kinds of people, being heralded as such a great girl, etc. She was one of about 1,500 deaths that day, statistically (just in the US alone, mind you), but gets all kinds of press and whatnot as her death being a tragedy. Her death was not a tragedy, not an accident- it was just another death that day.

I vote darwin awards! I've never done something so stupid and I can both see and hear