Carbon monoxide kills naked cheating couple during sex
 

A 23 year old man and a 17 year old girl (whom the man was cheating on his girlfriend with) died from carbon monoxide poisoning while naked and having sex in a car in a garage.

It takes two seperate articles to get all the details.

Man that's gotta suck

Police Officer - "Ma'am, I got a bad news for you"
Girlfriend - "What?"
PO - "Your boyfriend was found dead"
GF - "OMG!"
PO - "He was found with another dead woman"
GF - "God that's horrible!"
PO - "They were engaging in act of sex ma'am"
GF - "That son of a bitch!"

There's a good plan, let's have sex, while the garage fills with carbon monoxide. At least open a side door or something

It was a 1978 Cutlass. I don't think this man was bound for much glory.

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/D.../cutlass78.jpg
For those of you wondering

Why, that's a beautifully restored Cutlass. The couple appears to have taken good care of themselves as well. I'm surprised such snappy dressers lacked the forethought to avoid this tragic ending. (tic)

see kids.....having sex in a car is not all its cracked up to be..wonder whos idea the car was

Big car... lots of room to manouver.

My car, back when I would "park" was very small. I didn't feel the need to compensate. :lol:

Wow. That's a gas.

(Ba-dum-ching!)

Well...I hope that at least she was good.

Or...from her perspective, I hope that he was everything she dreamed of, and more. Though, somehow...I doubt it.

Well, on the up side, though...there are certainly much worse ways to exit this existence.

Tragic.

cheating pedophiles get what's coming to them...
What I wonder is if it wasn't also rape.

I can't imagine being a family member of either of the dead folks. It'd be horrible.

I don't think 17 really makes him a pedophile... *boggle* In fact, 17 is the age of consent in nearly all US states.

That's sad and funny at the same time.

It's sanny. It's fad.

Well... Maybe more lika sadronic.

That's a bit of a leap.

Not so much - the girl was under the age of 18... he was 23... in many places that would be statuatory rape... However, in the state of Wisconsin, age of sexual consent is 16.

Mumbles obligatory coming and going joke....

I sure hope that girl's family has a private (no pun intended) viewing. I know I sure as hell wouldn't want all her classmates coming by to see if she's still smiling. :rolleyes:
What a waste...

You'd be surprised at what the age of consent is in Canada.


14

Yeah well, imagine the willpower it took for me to finally engage at 15. And with a boy of 19. God he was good. You never forget your first.

Opps,..some people died. I hope while they were in the act, they had a gas. Bah

Why the fuck did they have the engine running? They were in a garage so why not do it on the car instead of in it? Or at least heat up the cutlass then switch it back off. Idiots. Worthy of the Darwin award.

I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. I was 17 and lost my virginity to a 23 year old guy. My parents were aware of our relationship. So it's not a pedophile for god's sake. Jeez people are really going nuts nowadays.

I'm not saying he couldn't be or that it couldn't be rape, but it IS a bit of a leap.

As for the two people involved in this...they had to be pretty stupid. What a stupid way to die.

Part of me wonders if it was actually a 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais

http://www.tholt.com/images/olds22.jpg

Darwin hopefuls for sure.

Yes it must be terribly embarrasing for the families.

Dharma always wins in the end, eh?

I dunno...Greg came out on top a couple of times.

This "people" is honestly hurt by your comment.

What ever happened to coming to the forum with an attitude of respect?

Are they going to be nominated fpr a Darwin Award???

Well, it could have been phrased differently. Here's the thing, though:

Based on absolutely nothing, you called the guy a pedophile and basically said his death was deserved. That's really harsh. Neither article mentioned anything about statutory rape, or that it was anything illegal- you made that leap yourself. In the state where it happened, it was a perfectly legal act between what the state recognizes as two consenting adults. Not to mention that pedophilia defined as an attraction to prepubescent children- which a 17 year old most certainly is not.

So next time you wanna go calling people pedophiles and wishing death on them, you might want to make sure you're right before tossing accusations. Because I, for one, get offended when people accuse people of stuff or slander people for no reason, based on nothing... and that's what you have done here.

To all:
And speaking of respect, how about we tone down the crass commentary a bit? It wouldn't be funny if the girl was your sister, or daughter, or if the guy was your brother, or son. Mistakes happen. You wanna get in your little comments, that's one thing, but these "i hope it was a gas" little jabs just aren't necessary, are they?

[QUOTE=analog]Well, it could have been phrased differently. Here's the thing, though:

Based on absolutely nothing, you called the guy a pedophile and basically said his death was deserved. That's really harsh. Neither article mentioned anything about statutory rape, or that it was anything illegal- you made that leap yourself. In the state where it happened, it was a perfectly legal act between what the state recognizes as two consenting adults. Not to mention that pedophilia defined as an attraction to prepubescent children- which a 17 year old most certainly is not. [QUOTE]


I'm sorry, in my state, he is legally considered a pedophile. He would be on the Megan's Law website with a big fat "Rape and illicit acts with a CHILD under the age of 18". Karma says it was coming to him. As it will to anyone else who does this kind of senseless crap.

It's still a tragedy and I feel for his (and her) family.

I've been bothered by the flippancy of many members on the boards in general lately.
Fewer and fewer people take time to think about their responses and to attempt to come up with something poignant that will drive conversation. It's just a bunch of "hey, you're an imbicile and here's why" crap, rather than, "Hey, that's an interesting perspective. Mine differs. Let's talk it out."
I came to expect the first from other discussion boards, I thought I could expect the second from the TFP.


In my eyes, Little Tippler, you were manipulated by an older man, and your life has been lived out differently because of this. Maybe it's just my skewed perspective, but it's a perspective. I know, Little Tippler, that you have every right to think that I am wrong. I would like to hear why. I would like some real dialogue here. I would like the opportunity to gain an open mind about this one.

But the way the current conversation is going, none of that will happen.

That surprises me genuinegirly. I've always though California to be a more liberal place than that. But at any rate, if seventeen is too young by law there, I suspect that there are as many "pedophiles" there as any other state in the union.

It also doesn’t surprise me that this could have happened. I think a lot of people don't realize how quickly one can be overcome by carbon monoxide poisoning.


Edit: Age of consent chart.

Go look up the definition of pedophile. You (and if its really true about your state) are 100% wrong.

Youre getting this response because you, like some zealots in some religions, are being an insensitive asshole. What if his mom read what you said? Would you really tell that to her face?

Yes because all women are delicate flowers and need to be treated as such. Age of consent should not be a black and white issue.

You guys are doing better... but still... There's more name-calling.

Does anyone see a logical way to present this perspective that might actually change my opinion?

First my apologies for taking this further off topic. Mayhaps a mod will split this topic rather than close a perfectly good thread...

But my mom was 17 when she married my dad who was 27. They were married 53 years before she passed this past October. Dad is not in my estimation a child molester.

GG, if the age of consent in Wisconsin (where this incident occurred), was 18, which it's not, it's 16, then he was guilty of Statutory Rape, which is sexual relations with a person who has not reached the age of consent. Pedophelia, is an adult who is sexually attracted to a child, meaning more prepubescent - rather than a 17 year old.

A statutory rape conviction still would make them a sex offender (at least according to all I've read on sex offender registries) but there's a difference between a pedophile and a statutory rapist (which is why I hate sex offender registries so much)

Now can we please stop the name calling... thank you

just for reference

http://www.ageofconsent.com/comments/pedophile.htm

firstly - obv different laws in different places... the age of consent in the UK is 16, and to me this is two consenting adults... Im not saying that cheating on someone is a great thing to do, but I think it becomes rather insignificant in comparison to this tragedy. The story is very sad, and it seems one or both of them was rather silly... and they paid a price far greater than they ever should have.

RIP :(

No, you're incorrect, he is not considered a pedophile- either in California, or in the law of any state in this country. He COULD be charged with statutory rape, under current CALIFORNIA law- but your problem is that this didn't happen in your state, so I don't know what your gripe is.

It fell under Wisconsin law, in which he has committed no crime. I might note, as have others, that age of consent is different all over the world. Here in the states, it goes all the way down to 16 in several states for females, and down to 14 in a few states for males. The stats are widely available for your perusal, so I suggest you do that research before you insist I shot you down with incorrect information.

The current conversation is fine, save for your calling people pedophiles who aren't pedophiles by ANYONE's definition of the term except your own (which obviously doesn't count), and wishing death on people. When you take such an egregiously incorrect stance against the facts of law, based on your own moral agenda, people are going to point out how incredibly factually wrong you are, and rightly question the basis of your erronious, and offensive argument.

Bottom line is- your opinions about the act of pedophilia are incorrect based on both the definition used in criminal psychology to specify the mental processes known as pedophilia, and as compared to the law of every state in this country governing what defines a criminal act of pedophilia. The law you assert he's guilty of statutory rape under is a California age of consent law, not a Wisonsin age of consent law, and the incident took place in Wisconsin. Furthermore, wishing death on someone or asserting that their death was deserved is the blatant result of your personal moral agenda, and you will be held to account for such harsh opinions/judgments.

Thats one of the reason's I don't park in the garage or even have sex in the car:D

I know they say karma's a bitch, but wow!

Analog,

Rightfully corrected.

my statement did not imply that I wished death on them, only that it was a natural result of his actions - more in relation to cheating on a woman in her own car than it has to do with the nature of other potential offenses. I suppose that my desire for brevity created a communication void in that respect.

I hope that blatant flaming will not be tolerated in the future. But anything short of cuss words has been tolerated in the past. This is not an attitude of respect for fellow board members. This is not what we come to the TFP for. We come to be enlightened. Not ridiculed for our personal opinions.

gg, I've read the thread and agree with you on the respect part, but not the pedophile business. I lost my virginity at 15 to a 19 year and was not forced, manipulated or coerced into the act. At 15, believe it or not, I was very mature and understood what sexual relations were and the various potential fallouts from it. I actually persued the boy and never to this day think my actions were improper, immoral or anything else.

I too have been on many different forums where the flaming is personal and hurtful. That is why this place is so cool. But one thing to remember is that in not wanting to be ridiculed for personal opinions, we have to be careful our opinions do not offend or disrespect others also. I could have taken offense to your claim of pedophilia for my instance, but since it wasn't, it doesn't affect me. Doesn't mean it doesn't affect others though.

Well, it's not tolerated now. Like I said before, the only reason that the "insensitive asshole" comment remained was because you- the person it was aimed at- didn't report it to be dealt with, but instead decided to quote it and answer to it. The mods can't help with flaming if it's not reported and you take matters into your own hands, instead of letting us do what we do.

Answering back with "You guys are doing better... but still... There's more name-calling" makes it seem like you either find the flame all too appropriate and are brushing it off, or you don't find it all that bad. I'm guessing you disliked the comment, based on what you said above, but your initial reaction didn't really convey that.

So next time, just let us know, and we'll gladly take care of it. :)

I think you all totally missed the point of the original article here.
This was no accident.
It was a suicide.
why else would a grown-up decide to run a car in an enclosed space?
There are few people out there that do not know what happens.

LOL I can picture it :thumbsup:

F00kin morons is all i can say.

[QUOTE=genuinegirly][QUOTE=analog]Well, it could have been phrased differently. Here's the thing, though:

Based on absolutely nothing, you called the guy a pedophile and basically said his death was deserved. That's really harsh. Neither article mentioned anything about statutory rape, or that it was anything illegal- you made that leap yourself. In the state where it happened, it was a perfectly legal act between what the state recognizes as two consenting adults. Not to mention that pedophilia defined as an attraction to prepubescent children- which a 17 year old most certainly is not. I think perhaps, genuinegirly, that this whole issue has hit some sort of sore spot with you. I didn't mean my comment personally at you, though you were implied. You did jump to conclusions, and made a pretty harsh remark about how that guy deserved to die, and if you want to talk about flippancy, well I believe you have been far more flippant in this thread than me. If you take the time, you will notice that I am not one to make flippant remarks on the TFP and usually think my responses out well and try to accomodate other people. I could not refrain from feeling stung by your comment as I have been in a relationship with a man of the same age as the one in this situation.

Again on the topic of flippancy, to say that you actively know something about my personal life without ever having met me or knowing anything about my life, is very presumptuous of you. I have every right to tell you that in my case, you are absolutely wrong, and I regret nothing. My life has not been negatively affected by that relationship in which I was for 3 years. My parents knew him well and aprooved of him. I knew his parents also. What does age have to do with love anyway?

I am sorry if this reply hits a nerve once more, but you have definitely hit a nerve with me by completely assuming things about myself and others when you have no information on the fact to back you up. To say that I was manipulated by someone who was in a serious and trusting relationship with me for years who you know nothing about is extremely rude.

Maybe you should be the one to think out your answers more thoroughly and if you think that by making the following statement initially in this thread:

"Tragic.

cheating pedophiles get what's coming to them...
What I wonder is if it wasn't also rape. "

is an attempt to come up with something poignant that will drive conversation, you must be seriously misguided.

When I met my wife, she was driving a 1987 Olds Cutlass Calais. It was a good car. We never made out in in, since we were both professionals and had apartments. She sold it to a teenager who my wife taught in 1st grade about 10 years before.

BY the way, sexual attraction to teenagers is called hebephilia. It is not pedophilia. There is a difference.

I doubt it was a suicide. My guess is that they either were on their way in or out and got busy, forgetting that they had a running car in the garage. Or he could just be a dumbass.

Exactly what I was thinking.

This story reminds me of the Darwin Awards, Any one familiar with them?
“Named in honor of Charles Darwin, the father of evolution, the Darwin Awards commemorate those who improve our gene pool by removing themselves from it.”

I didn't have anything nice to say ...

Right... something not right with them folks.

:P

"well did he cum?"
"God man, there is just some things you don't talk about"

Funny thing... I'm not really sure if this thread has any merit to discuss. It seems that about the only thing that can be said about it is something derogetory toward the dead folks. Then... someone gets offended by the derogetory comments. May just be better to put the lock on this one.