02-28-2006, 09:59 AM | #1 (permalink) | |
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Your Kid's Teacher Used To Be A Man...Now What?
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And she'll need that confidence when she goes back to school. Because we all know how cruel kids can be. And not just cruel, but confused. And I'm concerned that the brouhaha brought about - by kids, their parents, the media - will wind up overshadowing her teaching, which is what she wants to do in the first place. I think it will take a lot to erode her confidence, but no doubt, it WILL be tested. In addition, there's no guarantee that she'll actually be called upon to substitute - and if she's not, will it be because other teachers are genuinely more qualified, or higher up in the priority list, or because the school board has received complaints and threats? This is a tough issue. I'd like to know what you think. Do you support the school board's decision? How would you respond if your 8 year-old came back asking you why Miss McBeth looked kind of like a woman but sounded like a man?
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02-28-2006, 10:02 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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I support the surgery, the school boards decision, and I would tell my daughter 100% of the truth. If you are completly honest with your child they're less likely to be confused now and pissed at you for oversimplifying or lying later.
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02-28-2006, 10:05 AM | #3 (permalink) | |
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I support the school boards decision, as the gender of a person shouldn't be the focus of the matter. The only focus should be if the person is qualified to teach children or not. |
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02-28-2006, 10:09 AM | #4 (permalink) |
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The best part is; this was an episode of the Simpsons last week.
I for one welcome our new transgenered overlords. ...and I support the board's decsion.
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02-28-2006, 10:11 AM | #5 (permalink) |
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Can I just make sure I understand this....this person had a sex change at the age of 70? and is still teaching at the age of 71?
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02-28-2006, 10:18 AM | #6 (permalink) | |
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02-28-2006, 10:32 AM | #7 (permalink) |
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Trying to resist making Lady MacBeth joke...
That said, I think the board made the right (if difficult) decision.
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02-28-2006, 10:35 AM | #8 (permalink) | |
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On the other hand, why bother explaining it? She's a woman now. I would only explain it if neccessary (after all my born a woman grandmother sounds like a man).
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02-28-2006, 10:37 AM | #9 (permalink) | |
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Kids may tell jokes and whisper, but they'll still listen. If the kids aren't in school it's the parents own bigotry that is stopping them from going. Kids will always be kids.. hell I was (some will say I still am) Satan incarnate when I was in school, but I still learned a few things. Since it's something she wanted to do in the first place, and because it's still taboo (Transgender) somewhat, she won't mind the obstacles that she'll face. In fact, she may be doing more good than just teaching a few kids. She may have just broken one of many doors down. |
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02-28-2006, 11:45 AM | #10 (permalink) |
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Yes Mr. Garrison.
First Southpark had the 'All the flims are about gay cowboys eating pudding' come true. Now this.
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02-28-2006, 11:49 AM | #11 (permalink) | |
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someone had to do it.
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02-28-2006, 12:12 PM | #12 (permalink) |
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02-28-2006, 02:07 PM | #15 (permalink) |
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Since I am feeling rather lazy today I will just c&p my response from another place:
Trust me, when a 6 year old sees and recognizes that Mr. M is dressing as a woman, that 6 year old will ask, usually quite loudly and without remorse, 'Why is Mr. M dressed like a lady??' It's the point of confusion that should be addressed by parents in a non-condemning manner, but instead they take the easy way out by using their kids as their excuse for not willing to discuss this type of diversity. The great thing about small children, at least of school age, is when they don't understand they SAY they don't understand and that is the time to talk to them. To stand there and tell anyone that THEY are confusing to their children and therefore should not be around them is a copout. Addendum: Anyone that can do their job in the best manner needed and is not considered a personal threat to the welfare of their charges should be allowed to do that job regardless of their 'appearance' or personal choices. Hell, if the teachers in TFP alone were judged and hired on personal choices and lifestyles, they'd all be out of jobs.
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02-28-2006, 02:23 PM | #16 (permalink) |
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Most of you arn't parents. I've been a parent myself for about a year and a half. While intellectually you can imagine being a parent, no one who doesn't have children can understand the emotional attachment involved. My knowledge of evolutionary biology may tell me its all chemical, but it doesn't matter, it just is.
Likewise you don't need to be a parent to think that a grown man wanting his penis to be removed has something fundamentally wrong with him. Regardless of your stance on transsexuals, something didn't work right at some point in genetics, development, whatever that caused this desire. When something this basic is wrong, it is natural to think what else is wrong with this person. Perhaps nothing else is wrong but the concept of removing ones genitals is alien to most thinking. Now comes the protective instinct of parents. You don't get between a grizzly and her cubs, well the same applies to soccer moms. If you are odd, and very little is as odd as a sex change, your instinct is to protect. You don't CARE about the feelings of the other person, you worry about your child. As such I would not fault a parent from not wanting their child exposed to this. I personally think the kids involved are young enough that it wouldn't matter, I would be more worried if it were high school because it would become far more of a distraction.
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02-28-2006, 02:43 PM | #17 (permalink) |
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the question implies something needs to be done.
i dunno. Maybe go to parent/teacher conferences...or read my kid's homework...something like that. You know..what you usually do.
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02-28-2006, 03:05 PM | #18 (permalink) | |
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Having worked with kids both as a volunteer in elementary school and as an aide for three years, rest assured that kids WILL ask questions, make comments and want to know things. High school kids are ruder, but they still have a curiosity that should be met logically and without prejudging and if they prejudge, should be shown why that is wrong. It is nice to see that now at least, while some of the rudeness is still around, acceptance is more commonplace than it was way back when I was that age and they ask and confide in those they trust. My definition of 'odd' in terms of protection is NOT Mr. M becoming Ms. M, it's the slovenly guy up the street who likes handing out candy or the 50 year old man who dresses like the 70's Alice Cooper, rides a bike and can't form a sentence without saying 'doooood'. Parents that use that 'I want to protect my child' are full of bull. They want to protect themselves from the harder parts of the job they chose to do-teach their own kids about the world without projecting their own bigotries.
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02-28-2006, 03:07 PM | #19 (permalink) | |
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The first incorrect assumption is that something is fundamentally wrong with the teacher. If it's genetics, are we going to keep people with other genetic disorders from teaching? If it's developmental/psychological, how about we turn away anyone who suffers from depression, or has been sexually abused? As long as this teacher is fit to teach and can pass all the screenings that other teachers have to pass, I see no reason to turn her away. Discomfort about the situation is absolutely normal and understandable; catering to that discomfort by denying a good teacher the chance to practice her profession is not. There are plenty of parents out there who deep deep down would object to having a black person teach their child. Should we cater to that discomfort as well?
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02-28-2006, 03:22 PM | #20 (permalink) |
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wouldnt especially bother me, and I wouldnt have an issue with my kids knowing about people who change gender identity. Its part of the world they're going to live in, I dont see any sense in hiding it, and I dont see it as something especially immoral or unpleasant in any event. All that matters to me is that if the person is a good teacher, who cares about the kids and can connect with them, encourage them, educate them... Im not really that bothered what their sexual preference is, or if they have changed their gender.
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02-28-2006, 03:35 PM | #21 (permalink) | |
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If you want to rationalize this until the point where we must accept everything as wonderful and normal, be my guest. So likewise let me straw man you like you did me and say where do we draw a line? Is a known horsefucker ok to teach your kids? What about a necrophiliac? How about a 'grown baby' who wants to wear a diaper to school? Should we cater to that discomfort as well? Don't take this tract with me. I said I wouldn't have a problem with it myself, but others should understand where this feeling comes from. I do think this would be an issue with a highschool age kid because we all know what sexuality is like in highschool and this would be a MAJOR disruption to teaching.
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02-28-2006, 03:45 PM | #22 (permalink) |
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If one is upfront about it, it wouldn't be a distraction. It becomes one when the whispering, asides and rumors float like fruitflies on a rotten apple.
Example: In the Jr. High where I worked, there were two obviously gay male teachers and they began to see each other offtime. Everyone knew. Everyone liked these two immensely-one was a music teacher, the other a permanent sub. Kids knew. Did they care? Not on-campus. They spoke highly of both. You aren't giving kids the credit for having at least some brains. And I assure you, they are more aware, more understanding and more accepting than they were 30, 20 or even possibly 10 years ago. Hell, I wasn't even accepted for having acne...they've come a very long way, thankfully.
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02-28-2006, 04:46 PM | #23 (permalink) | |
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Edit: Yes I agree the parents intention is to try to protect the child, but really what are they protecting them from in this case?
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02-28-2006, 05:04 PM | #24 (permalink) |
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To a small child, anything can be controversial. A person in a wheelchair can elicit inappropriate questions, a person of different skin tone can cause verbal curiosity to emenate from their curious minds. Most kids are only going to know something is up because of all the attention she's getting.
These parents need to get over themselves. Their precious little shits aren't going to be perverted or mentally damaged by a kindly old woman with a deep voice and big hands. If she's a good teacher, then that's that, and nothing else. |
02-28-2006, 05:26 PM | #25 (permalink) | |
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I'm just wondering where we draw the line here, or if we do. "Mommy didn't Mrs. Smith used to be Mr. Smith?" "Yes dear, but she didn't feel comfortable being Mr. Smith so now shes Mrs. Smith." "Mommy why is Mr. Smith wearing a diaper and has a binki on a string around his neck?" "Mr. Smith is most comfortable when he dresses like a baby, so thats what he does."
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02-28-2006, 05:30 PM | #26 (permalink) | |
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there is no point in the idea that some people have of shielding a child from people who are a part of our society. Children should be taught to embrace differences. and i would have no problem explaining this to my child if they had this individual as their teacher. sweetpea
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02-28-2006, 05:34 PM | #27 (permalink) |
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I'm happy she can still teach in the district.
It's just something else the kids can learn about. She spent 70 years as a man. ( "his" sex life may be over anyway) If she wants to spend the rest as a woman it's ok with me :-) |
02-28-2006, 05:37 PM | #28 (permalink) | |
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This is obviously a much larger operation than circumcision - and people still obviously feel the need to do it. We shouldn't be judging their need to do it - we should try to be accepting of their choice. This is a similar kind of discussion to circumcision, that I know will need to take place, at the appropriate time (i.e when my son says "my penis looks like this, Jimmy's penis looks different. why?) These school kids are unlikely to see their teachers penis or lack thereof - I think the area that would really need addressing is "why is this teacher dressed as a woman?". As parents, it is our responsibilty to explain things to our children - this world is full of stuff that is outside our usual normality - this is just another of them.
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I happen to know that one of my daughters future teachers (unless she leaves or is made to leave) is gay. Do you know how I know? Everyone thinks it's their buisness, and, due to their inexperience with homosexuals, seem to have the belief that homosexuality is contagious like influenza and are worried that their child will be forever warped and corrupted. |
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02-28-2006, 05:40 PM | #31 (permalink) |
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Ustwo... you start off by suggesting that this is how Other (soccor Mom's) might see this and further suggest that you don't agree. They you go in post 21 to agree with the Soccor Mom.
Which is it? By the way, necrophilia, beastiality and pedophilia are all illegal activities and have to do with deviant sexuality. What does this have to do with transgenderism? You can't seriously be equating them? As a parent, I know exactly what I would say and what I have said to explain transgenderism to my kids. Like I said above, the truth or nothing at all depending on the situation.
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02-28-2006, 06:36 PM | #33 (permalink) |
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Some of you are able to accept just about anything as being "normal" or at least "acceptable," all in the name of HUMAN RIGHTS. And I agree with you to a certain point. But there is just no denying the fact that this type of behavior is more than a little bit 'off'. Especially in a school environment.
Again, where do you draw the line? Instead of throwing non sequtirs, why don't you answer this question? You can't possibly consider a sex-change as a natural phenomenon? The line for what is considered normal and acceptable continues to be pushed and pushed and pushed by those who choose to live in such abnormal ways. This guy should be able to do just about anything he wants in life. But teaching little kids is a little iffy in my mind.
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02-28-2006, 06:46 PM | #35 (permalink) |
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Let me ask this....what crime has been committed here that would forbid this person from teaching? That is where I draw the line, ridiculous scenarios notwithstanding.
If this person is qualified, has passed the necessary certifications and has years of successful teaching past, what, pray tell is the problem? Ms. M has an Adam's Apple?? Bet if you met some transgenders in passing, you wouldn't know and certain ones are making baseless comments on the fact that this one aspect of a person's life has been brought to the forefront. This 19th century thinking of all teachers being only one step down from saintly is so archaic. Personally, having worked side by side with teachers for several years, I find them to be superhuman, maybe...but certainly not superomnipotent. I have the highest regard for them and next to parenting, is probably the hardest, most responsible job a person could have.
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02-28-2006, 06:49 PM | #36 (permalink) |
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kids are too delicate to have that in their mind.... it will freak out and pervert elementry kids.... middle school kids would make fun of it way to much, and he would get made fun of and could inspire kids to become transgendered in highschool.... plus it sparks sexual thoughts in the kids..... as for college, i think he could do that without a problem
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There are others doing so quite quietly in stealth mode. Several others have attempted transition and been fired, by far the most common reaction. Gilda
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The age of her SRS is very unusual, but not unheard of. I can guaran-damn-tee you Dr. Preecha was her surgeon, as nobody else will operate on women that age. Gilda
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I think you have to realize that a transgendered person has no obligation to tell you that they have changed gender. For all you know, the woman you flirted with at the bar last night used to be Fred. In the end, all that matters is that person is qualified to teach, non-sequitors about illegal activities aside. What you personally feel about it being "deviant" is irrelevant.
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