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maleficent 02-20-2006 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Seaver
then slowly realizing that their little one is going to die because people are too lazy/heartless to care enough to give organs they will never use again to someone who desperately needs it..

I'm still using my organs right now, thank you very much.. and when I die... someone is more than welcome to them... but it's my choice... I made the conscious decision to give my organs...

SInce you're so concerned about saving lives, I'm guessing that you'll be donating blood or platelets, or signing up for the bone marrow registry tomorrow? :D That's being proactive in saving lives...

pig 02-20-2006 02:57 PM

I don't think its the majority of the cases that would come up that make people object to this policy. It's going to be the person without identification, whose family didn't know was dead until after the body has been harvested. Or some bastard who clones Scarlett Johannson, and then in a horribly retarded plot twist decides that instead of staring at her all day, he's going to declare her not really alive by virtue of clone, and then harvest her organs.

1010011010 02-20-2006 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by alansmithee
As for this law, it's horrible. Your body is property just like the rest of your estate. Would people support a law that said "unless specifically stated, when you die your estate is donated to charity"? It's the same exact thing, others by default deciding what's best for your estate after you die.

In Virginia, your estate becomes property of the commonwealth to be disposed of as directed. If you leave no direction (i.e. you have no will) they can do pretty much whatever they want with it. I don't know of any cases where they <i>haven't</i> left the disposition of the estate up to surviving family if an obvious choice is available, but don't assume it's the "default" just because tha's the way the law has set it up in your neck of the woods.

The problem I have with this is some admin-type in a county hospital looking at a report that the 20-something-car-accident-victim-who-was-previously-in-ideal-health has excellent chances of recovery if they try Procedure X.. but rather than saving this person's life, sells the patient for scrap so they can upgrade the NMRI machine. So sad.

iamjero 02-20-2006 04:03 PM

As long as my family was paid for the organ harvests I have no problem with it. I think that my dead body is the property of my living family, and if they could make money by selling me to the circus so they could put me in a big vat of formaldehyde for everyone to make fun of and laugh at I give them permission.

Why would you choose to let someone die if all you had to do was give them something you dont need?

cyrnel 02-20-2006 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cybermike
Cyrnel, your agruement is there's not enough beds in hospitals? With millions more donations and receiving It'll pay for expansion. it may be overwhelming in the beginning but they will adjust. Just because something is hard doesn't mean it shouldn't be tried.

I'm tempted to ramble about the "theys" and physical resources, that transplants aren't independent of the rest of healthcare's shortages which aren't scaling well anyway... but I like your optimism. Maybe with more people thinking about how things should be rather than how it is we might make a difference.

In the meantime, everyone should spend a vacation volunteering in healthcare. Get to know it outside the media. Prepare for family and yourself. (Make use of your organs before they're removed? ;) )

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FORCED Harvesting? Strong words there. It's hardly forced.
Some here suggested moving further, to mandatory donor status. Hence the "opt-out or forced" summary. Didn't mean to rile.

I still beleive it's an extreme measure and overkill, and I'm against taking decisions away, but after more thought I'm willing to let people stir up the healthcare mud. Visibility and big kicks may force change where small ones cannot.

JustJess 02-21-2006 07:21 AM

bone marrow registry? Mal? Info!!

Marvelous Marv 02-23-2006 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye
Im still trying to figure out why its such a big deal to "opt out", when those of us that have agreed to be donors in the past, me included by saying yes when I renew my drivers license...havent really complained about the extra step WE have had to take to agree to do it, am I missing something here? Is it that big of a deal to say no, I dont wish to do this....

Opt-out makes it much easier to disregard the wishes of the person involved.

Although I have not worked in an ER, I feel safe in saying that a lot of people arrive unaccompanied, without their driver's license.

Under opt-out, those people are automatic donors, no matter what their wishes are.

Some have expressed amazement that anyone wouldn't be a donor. I'm amazed at the number of people who would dictate what is to be done with the bodies of others.

Reese 02-24-2006 12:31 AM

I find it amazing the number of people who would complain it's against their rights as americans to become donors by default when they are neglecting their duty as a human being by not donating.

It's give and take people. People take, take, take and when it's time to give you step back and say Fuck that, I object!

maleficent 02-24-2006 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by cybermike
I find it amazing the number of people who would complain it's against their rights as americans to become donors by default when they are neglecting their duty as a human being by not donating.

Donating is a choice... I am under no legal obligation to donate blood, to write a check to the charity of my choice, to give a back of unused items to Goodwill, it's my choice... I willingly choose that on a regular basis.

When the state says that I have to do something... that takes away my choice.

I'll say it one more time for the cheap seats... I am an organ donor, I've given gallons of blood, I've donated bone marrow... twice (after knowing how much it hurt the first time)... I would give a kidney to pretty much anyone... It's my choice though... I don't want that choice taken.

JustJess 02-24-2006 06:27 AM

^^ Yep, ditto. (except the bone marrow thing, wow!)

My thoughts on process, Candian or American:

1. Continue to have donation be Opt IN, spend the money on advertising etc to promote awareness, put it with the license renewal stuff, etc.
2. Also advertise that if you are not Opting In AND you could (i.e. no health issues), you do not get to receive organs either in case of emergency.

:D

Seaver 02-24-2006 10:53 AM

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SInce you're so concerned about saving lives, I'm guessing that you'll be donating blood or platelets, or signing up for the bone marrow registry tomorrow? That's being proactive in saving lives.
Yes, about once a month. No, I dont donate bone marrow, when I was in the Navy it was not allowed, and I'm applying to the Fire Dept. and the Army atm, and neither want my hips or leg bones in any way shape or form weakened... even if its temporary.

Marvelous Marv 02-25-2006 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cybermike
I find it amazing the number of people who would complain it's against their rights as americans to become donors by default when they are neglecting their duty as a human being by not donating.

Your philosophy is very widespread, at least in Islamic countries, where certain people stipulate what everyone else's "duty" is.

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Originally Posted by cybermike
It's give and take people. People take, take, take and when it's time to give you step back and say Fuck that, I object!

That should be embossed on every tax form in this country. And over the entrance to Congress.

jeenyus_ones 02-25-2006 02:58 PM

I personally think they should pass this. Who cares if your organs are being taken, they're going to hopefully save someone's life. Plus your dead ne ways.


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