hagatha

So, a friend of mine teaches a philosophy class at college and he shows films. The class is called "Quest for Meaning". The films he shows are intended to demonstrate an individual's transformation after a devastating personal event. For example, The Big Lebowski is one that he commonly screens for the class.
Myself, I'm not sure about that one, but we argue all the time so that's not unusual.
Anyway, I was thinking that this was probably the best place to get some feedback on films that would fit this criteria. To me, this is a common plot line but for the life of me I can't even think of one film that does it really well. I think it's just too hot to think.

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ratbastid

The devastating personal event in Lebowski is that his rug gets peed on?

hagatha

its all relative...no?

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Cynthetiq

isn't that what the dénouement of the story is supposed to provide?

Stewie describes it well...

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The_Jazz

But Lebowski never changes. The only one who changes is Steve Buschemi's character, and that's only because he dies. One of the things I love about this movie is that NO ONE learns a lesson. They're all the same assholes they were at the beginning.

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Willravel

The Dude isn't an asshole. The Dude is all that many aspire to be. He learns not to bathe with ferrets. It's a lesson I repeat to myself every day.

I think that movies should be able to pull this type of positive transformation off in a subtle way. When it's overt, like in Peaceful Warrior or the latter Matrix movies, it can become like tedious, pseudo-philosophical fluff. I'd suggest that the quest for meaning was actually really well played in Casino Royale. It's arguable whether that change was positive, but character development from a philosophical standpoint was there. The nice thing was that they didn't make it the showcase. It was simply a part of character development. Take as another example Children of Men (one of the best science fiction movies of my generation). Here we see an apathetic outlook on life turn to hope over the chain of amazing events that make up the road of trials.

More importantly, no one can think in heat. Get to an air conditioned area and take a breather!

mrklixx

Batman Begins
Robocop (literal transformation)

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roachboy

of course the dude doesn't change.
the dude abides.
that's what he does.
q.e.d.

thinking about the op question....
does the Important or Traumatic Event have to happen on screen?

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hagatha

No, it doesn't.

by the way, good suggestions so far---and of course, dah, Robocop! Classic but also more of a statement on corporate greed and the dehumanization of workers.

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Willravel

Yeah, they took dehumanization of police officers a bit literally.

roachboy

ok so here are some suggestions
my favorite for this kind of thing is also one of the most disturbing film i've ever seen--michael haneke, the 7th continent

other treats, all way existential:
czech new wave:

late august at the hotel ozone
daisies (vera chytilova)

and:
4 (vladmir sorokin)
solaris, stalker (a. tarkovsky)
persona, hour of the wolf, scenes from a marriage (ingmar bergman--r.i.p. monday)
ulrich seidl: jesus you know

the saragossa manuscript (dunno if this fits directly, but it's such a great film that you should watch it for yourself to see)

kieslowski: red/white/blue/the decalogue (especially the last one in the sequence)

j-p melville: army of shadows

still thinking....
badlands (terence malik)

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Lasereth

Batman Begins is a really good one to mention.

ngdawg

Driving Miss Daisy(nothing devastating, but subtle realizations cause change)
Crash-but not all of the characters change or have an epiphany
White Oleander
Ghost Rider
Dogma

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fresnelly

I was going to say La Femme Nikita, but I can't remember how it ends.

What about The Godfather, where Michael goes through hell and then becomes the opposite of what he wanted to be.

Does it count if the protagonist transforms into the true self that he's been denying?

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hagatha

That's a rather insightful question---to which I will say yes.

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Jetée

I think the most recent film I watched had the entire cast(or least the ones worthy of due mention) shifting their thoughts and perspectives for the better and the worst. There was also the final scene where the character was just himself, in a different light, though no less or more than what he was.


Crash is really a perfect film.

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dirtyrascal7

I definitely agree with Batman Begins and Crash, but I think the best example that demonstrates this theme is The Shawshank Redemption.

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hagatha

I was talking to him today and he sited Donny Darko as another one that really demonstrates this idea. Hmmm. If I was able to really wrap my mind around that film maybe I would agree...but I was left just scratching my head. Some works are just too esoteric for me.
Given the excellent suggestions made thus far, I think I should be teaching this class.

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Jetée

The devasting part of the film was Donny losing his girlfriend. The dénouement is that Donny comes to terms with his apparent break in psychosis to learn that he was supposed to die that day the airplane engine crashed in his room. He sacrificed himself so that the world doesn't come to an end because he escaped his destiny. That is wht he was given exactly 28 days(or was it 29?) to set the event right to preserve the fabric of time and space. An implicit deux ex machina was given in order for the ending to make a lick of sense to the entire body of the plot and film.

At least, that's what I took from it.



EDIT: and it is 'cited'.

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roachboy

la jetée

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Average_Joe

How about the movie "Regarding Henry" with Harrison Ford.

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Lucifer

How about American History X? Going to prison was a life changing experience, or maybe getting raped in prison by the very people he aspired to be like...

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hagatha

yeah but how is Darko transformed as an individual? To me it was like he spent a lot of time in a fugue state but then realized his role in events. he didn't really change as a character, he just fulfilled his destiny.

At least, that's my take on it.


yeah, I see that ---the transformation was a literal one.

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mixedmedia

Well, these might not be traditional in their interpretation of "devastating events" and "transformation" (at least not in a positive sense), but I've always enjoyed plots that show how people can transform when they come into large sums of money.

The silent film Greed by Erich Von Stroheim is probably the best example.

Treasure of the Sierra Madre.

Citizen Kane, of course.

Small Time Crooks by Woody Allen (an under-rated film in my opinion).

A more traditional choice might be Places in the Heart which is about a Depression-era woman who is left in debt with her children after the sudden death of her husband.

For that matter, Gone With the Wind might be a good choice, too.

I'll probably come up with more throughout the day.

Good thread, hagatha!

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hagatha

Actually I was waiting for you to comment---I consider you one of the resident film aficionados on this site---thanks Mixed. And any excuse to recommend a good Woody Allen film never goes astray.

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Lucifer

A Simple Plan is a good movie example of how money changes people.

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Jetée

By this regard, then... you would have Trading Places and Brewster's Millions(a much better portrayal than the original, and easier to grasp the synopsis of it all).

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mixedmedia

Yes!

Sullivan's Travels is a good one, too. An altruistic yet pampered film director learns about the superficiality of romanticizing people's suffering (also during the Great Depression) and the true value of his work through a traumatic and life-altering bout with amnesia. One of the greatest "serious" films that is, in fact, a screwball comedy. Brilliant! And you get the most fabulous Veronica Lake, too.

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Not Right Now

Some modern (Post-modern, what have you) ones:
Fight Club
Fear and Loathing
London
Children of Men
The Libertine

Some classics:
Ugetsu
Sword of Doom
Seventh Seal
Detour
The Third Man

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roachboy

you mean the patrick keiller film?
his "robinson in space" is also great.
both would fit neatly here.

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Derwood

who changes in Fight Club?

Not Right Now

Jack. He realizes everythign about himself that he didn't even know was happening. Just look at the difference in the way he even treated Marla at the end... not to mention all of the other pre- Tyler stuff as opposed to the post- Tler style of living.

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Derwood

I'm not going to get into spoilers on the movie, but I think it was more of a self-awareness than a transformation, if you get my meaning

The_Jazz

Wouldn't his realization of self-awareness (actually, I'd call it an awakening, but that's more semantics than anything else) cound as a transformation? As it stands, he's much more clueless about himself at the beginning of the movie than the end.

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Derwood

sure, but by the end, it's too late