Originally Posted by shakran

I think it's important not just to ask "What will we do about this," but to also ask "Why are soldiers doing things like this?"


So rather than just playing the "They screwed up, let's punish them and then the problem is solved" game perhaps we should instead search out the root causes of these abuses and stop them at their source.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ea..._id=1002613991 On 'Complicated Battlefield,' U.S. Troops Raid, 3 Civilians Die Tom Lasseter By Greg Mitchell Published: June 07, 2006 10:30 AM ET

Originally Posted by Elphaba

Shakran

The "root causes" are now a significant part of the two investigations.

Originally Posted by Ustwo

The important thing here is to make sure you trust the media reports fully, and condem the soldiers off hand due to your personal political biases. The media would never run with half the facts of a story, nor would they have an agenda of their own. I can't imagine anyone on the left would try to exploit or distort such an incident.

Originally Posted by Ustwo

The important thing here is to make sure you trust the media reports fully, and condem the soldiers off hand due to your personal political biases. The media would never run with half the facts of a story, nor would they have an agenda of their own. I can't imagine anyone on the left would try to exploit or distort such an incident.

Originally Posted by Ustwo

The important thing here is to make sure you trust the media reports fully, and condem the soldiers off hand due to your personal political biases. The media would never run with half the facts of a story, nor would they have an agenda of their own. I can't imagine anyone on the left would try to exploit or distort such an incident.

The key is that we must demorailize the troops and demonize the effort in any way possible.


http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story....6-0066e7629ace

Lies all lies!

Originally Posted by Ustwo

The important thing here is to make sure you trust the media reports fully, and condem the soldiers off hand due to your personal political biases. The media would never run with half the facts of a story, nor would they have an agenda of their own. I can't imagine anyone on the left would try to exploit or distort such an incident.

The key is that we must demorailize the troops and demonize the effort in any way possible.
www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?f882c1b8-aa42-431f-83a6-0066e7629ace[/url]

Lies all lies!

Originally Posted by TIME Magazine

Sunday, Jun 4, 2006
How Haditha Came to Light
By JEFFREY KLUGER

The Haditha killings occurred last November, but it wasn't until January that TIME first heard whispers about them. The initial account of the incident was published in March in the magazine and on TIME.com The manner in which TIME got the story and the painstaking way the facts revealed themselves illustrate the challenges of trying to cover a dangerous, deadly conflict where the truth isn't always what it appears to be.

If the Marines are indeed guilty of an atrocity, they had the ill fortune to have committed their crime in the worst possible place: outside the front door of a budding Iraqi journalist and human-rights activist. Taher Thabet, 43, was at home in Haditha on the morning of Nov. 19 when around 7:15 he heard the detonation of the roadside bomb that struck a Marine humvee, killing the driver, Lance Corporal Miguel Terrazas, 20. The blast shattered Thabet's windows. He ran outside in time to see Marines from three other humvees springing from their vehicles and heading for four homes on either side of the road. "They went into one house. I heard gunfire, explosions and screams," he told TIME in an interview in Baghdad last month. "Then they came out and went into another. I could only stand and watch."

The next morning, Thabet--who last year co-founded a small outfit called the Hammurabi Organization for Human Rights and Democracy Monitoring--went into the houses where the killings had taken place and videotaped what he saw, as well as the wrenching scenes later at the local morgue, where friends and family collected the bodies of the victims. "I didn't know what I was recording," he says. "I just felt I had to record everything I could see."

Thabet shared the VCD with the other members of the Hammurabi group, but for a time, news of the killings did not go further than that. Then, in mid-December, President George W. Bush announced the military's estimate that 30,000 Iraqi civilians had died since the start of the war. TIME's Tim McGirk, posted in Baghdad, began to investigate cases in which Iraqi civilians had been killed by U.S. troops. In the course of his reporting, he obtained a copy of Thabet's VCD. There was plenty in the grisly images to raise suspicions, including the U.S.-issued body bags into which the victims were zipped and the scattering of shells that appeared to have come from Marine rifles.

McGirk contacted Marine headquarters in Ramadi to inquire about the incident. The Marines sent back an e-mail saying there were 15 civilian deaths in Haditha on Nov. 19 but that the victims were killed by the roadside bomb and by a firefight that erupted when insurgents fired on the Marines. But the videotape showed that many of the dead were pajama-clad women and children. The bodies had wounds from bullets, not shrapnel, and the scene suggested that they had been murdered inside their homes.

In the ensuing weeks, McGirk and TIME's Baghdad staff members interviewed more than a dozen Haditha locals by e-mail (travel between Baghdad and Haditha is exceedingly dangerous for Iraqis, let alone foreign journalists), including the mayor, the morgue doctor and a local lawyer who negotiated a settlement between the Marines and the families under which the military agreed to pay $2,500 compensation apiece for some of the victims--mostly the women and children. Several survivors visited TIME's Baghdad bureau, including a man in his 20s whose four brothers were killed and an orphaned girl who is now the sole caretaker of her 8-year-old brother. The bureau was also pursuing leads that a 12-year-old girl had survived the attack by playing dead. In interviews, Thabet filled in details about what he witnessed before he began shooting his VCD.

In early February, McGirk presented this evidence to, and asked for comment from, Lieut. Colonel Barry Johnson, U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad. Johnson viewed the VCD, listened to the accounts and responded straightforwardly, "I think there's enough here for a full and formal investigation." Army Colonel Gregory Watt was dispatched to Haditha to conduct a three-week probe in which he interviewed Marines, survivors and doctors at the morgue.

At that point, TIME's Aparisim Ghosh joined the efforts in Baghdad, asking the U.S. military for more information even as the preliminary investigation was continuing. Lacking any official U.S. response to the allegations, TIME chose not to publish an article on the episode in Haditha based solely on the eyewitnesses' accounts. On March 14, a U.S. military official in Baghdad familiar with the Watt probe finally responded to Ghosh. According to the official, the probe concluded that the civilians were in fact killed by Marines and not by an insurgent's bomb--but that the deaths appeared to be the result of "collateral damage" rather than malicious intent. Nevertheless, the official told Ghosh, the matter had been handed over to a criminal investigation. Over the next five days, the reporting by McGirk and Ghosh continued to be reviewed by TIME editors and Pentagon correspondent Sally B. Donnelly. TIME's story "One Morning in Haditha" was published on March 19 on TIME.com and appeared the next day in the print magazine (which carried a March 27 cover date). The Haditha episode began to receive wider coverage last month, when members of Congress revealed that Pentagon and military officials had disclosed that Marines may be charged in connection with the alleged massacre and that a cover-up might have taken place.

If there is any beneficiary at all of the tragedy, it is Hammurabi, the human-rights group, which is flooded with new volunteers and free to do its work more aggressively. Still, Thabet says his thoughts are mostly with the 24 who died. "Nobody cares about what happens to ordinary Iraqis," he says. They do now.