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I know the stats and the history. I also know that this is a desicision for the people of SF to make for themselves, and I defend their right to make such a decision.
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The people of S.F. do not have the right, nor the authority, to rewrite the constitution nor repeal the 2nd amendment. If that were the case, then locales around the nation could void the other 9 if they chose to do so.
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I'm not stupid. I know that there is little if any prescedent for success in the gun ban, but I do know that it's possible.
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has anyone ever told you the definition of insanity?
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That same question was once asked about nuclear weapons. No one came up with an answer beyond MAD.
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and so far thats been a pretty good deterrent.
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I'd break him in two if he ever even thought about putting my daughter in any kind of harm. Even if the guy is an excelent fighter, I know can give my daughter enough time to run and hide.
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But not everyone else can and that seems to be the point you're not willing to acknowledge.
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Guns are too dangerous in general. No one should have them. Of course that's absurd asn they've already been invented. All we can do now is try to limit the destructive capabilities of guns, such as being available to criminals.
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and you take away the availability to criminals by making them illegal for all?
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An intruder really would have a great deal of trouble getting into my house, so the question is moot. I'll play along anyway. No one will rape my daughter because I won't let them. I don't need a gun, and neither should anyone else.
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I hope and pray that nothing ever does happen to your daughter, but even criminals get lucky. Are you willing to bet her life on it?
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There will be criminals, but they will be a hell of a lot less dangerous.
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All studies so far have proven differently.
They are lax in some cases and practically non-existant in others. They are inneffective because of efforts by organizations like the NRA to prevent things like gun registration (which has been brought before the House more than a few times).[/QUOTE]
Fact: During the Clinton administration, federal prosecutions of gun-related crimes dropped
more than 44 percent.
132
Fact: Of the 3,353 prohibited individuals that obtained firearms, the Clinton administration only
investigated 110 - or 3.3% of these individuals.
133
Fact: Despite 536,000 prohibited buyers caught by the National Instant Background Check,
only 6,700 people (1.25%) have been charged for these firearms violations. This includes 71%
of the violations coming from convicted or indicted felons.134 None of these crimes were
prosecuted by the Federal government in 1996, 1997, or 1998.135Fact: During the Clinton administration, federal prosecutions of gun-related crimes dropped
more than 44 percent.132
Fact: Of the 3,353 prohibited individuals that obtained firearms, the Clinton administration only
investigated 110 - or 3.3% of these individuals.133
Fact: Despite 536,000 prohibited buyers caught by the National Instant Background Check,
only 6,700 people (1.25%) have been charged for these firearms violations. This includes 71%
of the violations coming from convicted or indicted felons.
134 None of these crimes were
prosecuted by the Federal government in 1996, 1997, or 1998.
135
Fact: In 1998, the government prosecuted just eight children for gun law violations.
136 In that
same year, there were:
• 8 prosecutions for juvenile handgun possession.
• 6 prosecutions for handgun transfer to juveniles.
• 1 prosecution for Brady Law violations.
Fact: 1/2 of the referrals of violent criminals were closed without investigation or prosecution.
138
Fact: The average sentence for a federal firearms violation dropped from 57 months to 46
months from 1996 to 1998.
139
Fact: 18-20 year olds commit over 23% of all gun murders.
140 None of these criminals are
allowed by law to purchase a handgun, and the Federal government under Clinton rarely
enforced this law.
Fact: Project Exile in Richmond, Virginia prosecutes felons caught with guns using Federal laws
that require mandatory imprisonment. The first year result was a 33% drop in homicides for the
Richmond Metro area in a year where the national murder rate was climbing.
141 This shows that
enforcement works. And according to Andrew McBride of the Richmond Justice Department
Office, these cases are as easy to prosecute as "picking change up off the street."
132 - Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse (TRAC) at Syracuse University covering 1992 through 1998
133 -General Accounting Office (GAO) 2000 audit of the National Instant Check System between 11/30/98 and
11/30/99.
134 - Bureau of Justice Statistics, Federal Firearm Offenders and Background Checks for Firearm Transfers, June 4,
2000
135 - U.S. Justice Department statistics, 1999
136 - Ibid.
137 Bureau of Justice Statistics, Federal Firearm Offenders and Background Checks for Firearm Transfers, June 4,
2000
138 General Accounting Office report on the Implementation of NICS, February, 2000
139 Ibid.
140 United States Treasury and Justice Department Report, 1999
141 FBI Uniform Crime Statistics, 1999