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Originally Posted by Fred181
I absolutely do not believe that. I am fully aware of the political and economic reasons that led Bush to invade another country, however does that make a difference in the long run? If (and I emphisize the if) Iraq is left in a better situation when this is all over is that not what matters? While I will not agree that Sadam was a threat to the U.S., I do think that he was a tyranical and ruthless leader of his country. If Iraq can pull through its current difficulties wasn't the removal of Sadam in the end a goood thing?
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If (and that is a huge If) Iraq can in fact become a democracy, than of course it is a good thing. But the risk of "if" is too strong to go to war. Chances are Iraq is going to be a much more of a violent country because the fanatics now have an even larger excuse to continue they’re senseless killings.
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I am glad that you are able to go through your life doing only what YOU want to do. You love your job, you only go to work when you feel like it etc etc. The men and women in Iraq are not all there because they want to be, but they made a commitment to do something. They made a commitment that they would respond when they're nation needed them. When deployed for the War in Afghanistan I did not want to go live in a tent when it was 120 degrees outside I didn't want to go off to war but I made a commitment to my country and while I don't feel that the operations in Iraq are just, that does not stop me from the commitment I made because someday my country will call upon me for something that truly is just.
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Who says I go through my life doing whatever I please? Don’t make the assumption that I live a carefree life for the simple fact that I do not agree with war.
You do not feel the Iraq war is just yet you go fight because of a commitment? You should stand up for what you believe in and not go to an unjust war, that will make you a true hero.
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Coward: "One who shows ignoble fear in the face of danger or pain."
How does fighting for a cause that you don't neccesarily believe in make someone a coward? AND more than 40% of the country still agrees with the war in Irag; Does that mean that they are all brainwashed because they do not hold the same opinion as you?
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Whenever I describe a soldier as a coward for going to an unjust war, I mean that more mentally than anything. They are weak minded for fighting for something they do not believe in rather than having self respect and pride. In that sense, they are huge cowards because they fear expressing their beliefs.
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1. An Anti-War activist that believes in corpral punishment? I don't see how you can say that a person that has commited 1 murder, or a rapist that has never even taken a life should be victim of a state execution, while an Iraqi that has killed multiple people is "innocent".
2. I can appreciate your feelings of being unable to kill another person, however I have a hard time with not having a problem with it when someone else is doing it. From a moral standpoint how can you justify something as "right" when you are unable to carry out the same action? If you can't bring yourself to do it personally, is it still "right"?
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First off, if you read my earlier posts, you would see that I said the Iraqi soldiers are just as guilty as US soldiers. I do not base my opinion on the Americans alone; I base it amongst all soldiers. I may seem hypocritical when I say I personally cannot do it but someone else may. And you are right, that doesn’t justify it or make it right, but If I am in no way responsible for someone’s death, I believe I can still agree with it.
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First of all, Xepherys has stated repeatedly that he is not in Iraq. Second, It is interesting that you would call the Iraqi soldiers dying "innocent". Where those same Iraqi soldiers "innocent" when they invaded Kuwait, killing hundreds? When they used Chemical weapons on the Kurdish refugees? Are there truly innocent people, "civilians", dying? Yes. Are some of them dying at the hands of US soldiers? Yes, some of them are... However, I think your view of the average US soldier is very misplaced and (with the exception of your views on killing) I don't understand where they come from. Having only know one soldier, how can you make an informed judgment on how they feel about war, and killing? Because you watched Full Metal Jacket? Because you watch the nightly news? I know many, many people serving in the military that have no desire to go to Iraq. I know many people that have seen, and been a part of military conflicts, and not one of them enjoyed having to kill people. The images of the deaths haunt them.
And for this one time under this topic I will agree with you Rdr4evr, there is no sense arguing a point that we will never agree on so I'm done.
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First let me just state that I don’t believe any mainstream media or base any opinions on movies, so you can forget that argument. Like I stated earlier, I don’t make my judgment on all soldiers just because the one I know is sick in his head, I base it on my personal morals and values. If a soldier that is haunted and traumatized because of their actions in the military, they will not receive any sympathy from me. Why? Because they made the decision to kill and therefore have to pay the consequences. If murdering innocent people causes a soldier mental anguish, than they are getting off easy. How do you think the families of the innocent deaths feel; they have it much harder than the soldiers.