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Plan9 · 02-13-2010, 03:37 PM

Jeez, maybe he should have said "selling your mouth, vagina, and rectum as sexual equivs of the Lincoln Tunnel." High traffic.

Semantics are killing us in here.

Shaindra · 02-13-2010, 03:48 PM

Just curious...what about a woman with a moderately high partner count vs. one who was a prostitute for a short period of time with a similar partner count?

mixedmedia · 02-13-2010, 03:58 PM

Good question.

and I think the distinction is significant, Crompsin. you can liken it to soldiers being called 'baby killers,' if you like. It describes an emotional conception rather than a factual reality.

Xerxys · 02-13-2010, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LoganSnake

Why do you have the need to defend the "profession"?

I've lately become interested in sex and its wide effects both individual and social. MM got it right on when she said the reasons stipulated against the "profession" were emotionally charged. There hasn't been a better reason otherwise.

So as far as "defending" goes, I was merely pointing out that the reasons given were not from a concrete place but rather more illogical. Not from some innate "need" to defend.

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Originally Posted by Shaindra

Just curious...what about a woman with a moderately high partner count vs. one who was a prostitute for a short period of time with a similar partner count?

Also why I linked to other thread. I'm impressed that the body count does not phase a lot of people as far as the concept for paying for it.

LoganSnake · 02-13-2010, 05:04 PM

Here is the where my stance differs from "a lot of people".

I would never - ever - use the services of a prostitute. I have been through some very dry spells and the thought has never crossed my mind. My reasoning is two fold:

1) I will never be desperate enough for sex to pay for it. I find it demeaning (to me, not to the prostitute).

2) I find it dirty.

It is because of the reason number two, I will never feel comfortable to date somebody (I cannot date somebody without the sexual aspect) who has been was a prostitute or has slept with an enormous number of guys.

It is also because of that, that I will never ask for the "number". If it's high and I like her enough, I don't want to know because it will numb those feelings for me if I find out.

"But Logan!", you ask "could you date a prostitute if you didn't know about her past?"

What I don't know can't hurt me, right?

Xerxys · 02-13-2010, 05:11 PM

Right.

LoganSnake · 02-13-2010, 05:13 PM

Wrong.

An STD can hurt me if I don't know about it.

Plan9 · 02-13-2010, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mixedmedia

and I think the distinction is significant. you can liken it to soldiers being called 'baby killers,' if you like. It describes an emotional conception rather than a factual reality.

Uh, no. The "Baby Killer" thing, outside freak incidents, is a complete fabrication. A social construction that furthers the hippie tofu flower cause.

This thread, correct me if I'm wrong, is about the perception of an actual occurrence. You know, being a skank.

LoganSnake · 02-13-2010, 05:19 PM

Shhh! TFP doesn't like the word skank.

A sexually liberated woman is the PC term.

mixedmedia · 02-13-2010, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Plan9

Uh, no. The "Baby Killer" thing, outside freak incidents, is a complete fabrication. A social construction that furthers the hippie tofu flower cause.

This thread, correct me if I'm wrong, is about the perception of an actual occurrence. You know, being a skank.

uh, no. we are talking about the term 'selling your body.'

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TFP seems to like the word skank just fine.

Personally, I like the word 'asshole,' but that one's just a little too much for faint hearts to bear.

LoganSnake · 02-13-2010, 05:28 PM

You've been talking to some weak hearted fools, mm.

Plan9 · 02-13-2010, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoganSnake

Shhh! TFP doesn't like the word skank. A sexually liberated woman is the PC term.

Okay, somebody help me with my math here. I'm not a genius.

A "selling your body" prostitute ≠ sexually liberated woman.

Two different creatures.

...

MM, you appear to have some type of personal soft spot that is being thumped. I am not attempting to attack anybody in this thread, merely attempting to articulate my point that whether it was 2010 BC or 2010 CE, a prostitute is still a prostitute. Let's avoid the passive-aggressive stuff. It's silly.

LoganSnake · 02-13-2010, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Plan9

Okay, somebody help me with my math here. I'm not a genius.

A "selling your body" prostitute ≠ sexually liberated woman.

Two different creatures.

Yes, but a skank is also colloquial for a woman who sleeps around and has a bunch of partners.

I just assumed...

Plan9 · 02-13-2010, 05:44 PM

Righteous.

mixedmedia · 02-13-2010, 05:49 PM

I am not being passive aggressive. I am making a point that is totally supportable. You're the one who can't seem to get past it and just accept that it is my position.

I accept that a person can accept or reject any person for the consequences of their actions - real or perceived. And I have said that explicitly in this thread. Personally, I don't care, why should I?

But, I am as free as anyone here to object to the use of terms, phrases, stereotypes and opinions as I see fit. What is the problem?

Xerxys · 02-13-2010, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Plan9

Quote:

Originally Posted by mixedmedia

and I think the distinction is significant. you can liken it to soldiers being called 'baby killers,' if you like. It describes an emotional conception rather than a factual reality.

Uh, no. The "Baby Killer" thing, outside freak incidents, is a complete fabrication. A social construction that furthers the hippie tofu flower cause.

I'm having difficulty understanding your dissension. I think you agree but then you begin with "uh, no".

Also where do is it you refer to passive aggressive behavior being employed? I see none of that but I could be missing something.

Plan9 · 02-13-2010, 05:58 PM

Oh, no problem. This discussion has devolved into the typical "What is a 'ho?" exercise. Oops! And how boring.

Frankly, I'd rather get into another 9mm vs. .45 debate or the famous TFP "Should I stay or leave?" routine.

Manic_Skafe · 02-13-2010, 06:03 PM

Xerxys · 02-13-2010, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by LoganSnake

Wrong.

An STD can hurt me if I don't know about it.

Doctor: I'm sorry, you have syphilis.
Logan: What?!?! No! Impossible! I am totally loyal to my girlfriend and she's the only one I've ... had.., unprotecte ... What the FUCK AMY?!?!
Amy: Honey, Ive been meaning to tell you?
Logan: TELL ME WHAT!? Your an inverted walking hazmat suit???
Amy: No, I before you I erm, had a couple of one night stands?
Logan: What exactly is "a couple"??
Amy: Remember the rolex watch I got you?
Logan: You fucking WHOAR!
Doctor: Calm down!
Logan: Don't tell me to fucking calm down!! This, this .. this JEZEBEL gave me the herp!!
Amy:Syphilis.
Logan: That makes me feel MUCH better!!!
Amy: I meant to say the rolex belonged to my ex and he probably infected you with it.
Logan: WHAT???
Doctor: That's technically impossible.
Amy: How about hypothetically?
Logan: huh???
Doctor: huh???
Amy: You know what, if that's how you feel then fine! We're through!
Logan: Fine!
Amy: FINE!
Logan: FINE!!
Doctor: Finally.

LoganSnake · 02-13-2010, 06:27 PM

Something along those lines, yes.

mixedmedia · 02-13-2010, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Plan9

Oh, no problem. This discussion has devolved into the typical "What is a 'ho?" exercise. Oops! And how boring.

Frankly, I'd rather get into another 9mm vs. .45 debate or the famous TFP "Should I stay or leave?" routine.

What is your aim for this discussion?

My aim has been to filter out emotionally-charged stances and get to the real reasons why a person might find someone who is or has been involved in a sex profession so reprehensible, untouchable. Because when you take away reactionary phrases like 'selling your body' and terms like 'skank,' what are you left with? I can't help but think you are left with blanket generalizations that, like all blanket generalizations, don't have the capability of meaning jackshit when it comes to describing any one person in particular.

It doesn't mean that people won't still believe them and live by them, but it does mean that they might have to see them poked around a bit sometimes by people who think they are, well, silly.

Maybe you had designs that this thread could be a happy place where, one after another, TFP folks could drop by and have a laugh about how nasty whores and strippers are before stopping by the Titty Board for a goodnight wank.

Me, I'm just doing what I do and it's not passive aggressive.

LoganSnake · 02-13-2010, 07:01 PM

And what would be the point of filtering them out other than basically saying in big bold letters "Your opinion has no foundation"?

I don't want to wade in a watering hole where 100 other dicks have been. Do you want a reason for that other than I think it's icky?

Plan9 · 02-13-2010, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mixedmedia

Maybe you had designs that this thread could be a happy place where, one after another, TFP folks could drop by and have a laugh about how nasty whores and strippers are before stopping by the Titty Board for a goodnight wank.

Who?

filtherton · 02-13-2010, 07:39 PM

I don't expect that I'd have a problem dating someone who used to be in the sex industry provided that the person was physically healthy and mentally stable. But that physically healthy and mentally stable thing goes for every potential mate, regardless of past profession.

Xerxys · 02-13-2010, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LoganSnake

And what would be the point of filtering them out other than basically saying in big bold letters "Your opinion has no foundation"?

I don't want to wade in a watering hole where 100 other dicks have been. Do you want a reason for that other than I think it's icky?

But Logan, so far it has no foundation. I wouldn't date a currently working prostitute perhaps for the same reason I wouldn't date two girls at the same time. I just don't swing and I see it as the same thing. Boring straight male monogamy is me. I draw the line at taking clothes off, I'm cool with that. You see it's a preference that I have. Which is fine.

But to say that I wouldn't date a working prostitute because I think it's reprehensible, icky, wrong just means *I* have the problem. Not the girl.

Plan9 · 02-13-2010, 07:43 PM

We are the world...

filtherton · 02-13-2010, 07:47 PM

On second thought, I wouldn't date woman who had a job at all. It just seems soo, um, groooooooooooooooooooooody.

LoganSnake · 02-13-2010, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Xerxys

But to say that I wouldn't date a working prostitute because I think it's reprehensible, icky, wrong just means *I* have the problem. Not the girl.

Where have I ever stated that it was her problem and not mine?

Manic_Skafe · 02-14-2010, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoganSnake

And what would be the point of filtering them out other than basically saying in big bold letters "Your opinion has no foundation"?

I don't want to wade in a watering hole where 100 other dicks have been. Do you want a reason for that other than I think it's icky?

I think you're missing the obvious fact that your opinion is likely to raise eyebrows because it really isn't substantiated by anything but your opinion. There's nothing wrong with thinking and feeling the way that you do - a lot of people do and we all have our limits - but the idea that one is irrevocably soiled or dirty due to their number of sexual partners is just plain nonsensical. That's a harsh and judgmental outlook on the choices of others that reads as if you believe them to be beneath you.

The fact that it's your opinion is obvious enough but I speak for mm and myself when I wonder through all of this text as to whether there's something that underlies such a view other than sheer emotionality.

On another note, I really don't understand where this thread has gone.

mixedmedia · 02-14-2010, 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoganSnake

And what would be the point of filtering them out other than basically saying in big bold letters "Your opinion has no foundation"?

I don't want to wade in a watering hole where 100 other dicks have been. Do you want a reason for that other than I think it's icky?

The point would be to get people to talk about it. That's all. It's not a competition.

Iliftrocks · 02-15-2010, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Manic_Skafe

Maybe it's not what you meant but I can't help but to find what's implied here as deeply offensive.

If you think I mean that hooking is not a decent way to make a living, then yes that is what I implied, now stated. Sorry if that is offensive to you, but that is the way I feel about it. I don't believe that people can't recover from mistakes though, or are irredeemable.

Anormalguy · 02-15-2010, 04:49 PM

Dating a prostitute or a porn star would be a problem for me, but that more a reflection of my age and experience (lack of?) than either profession.

Anxst · 02-16-2010, 08:04 AM

My first fiancee was a stripper. It's how she paid for college when the grant money wasn't enough. She felt it was less horrible than taking out school loans...she never liked being in debt. When I met her she was already in a white collar job as a city planner, but she still loved going to strip clubs. She was a bit of an exhibitionist, and knew many of the girls who worked there.

I never had an issue with it. It was just a job. She'd stated she enjoyed it, but just saw it as a job she'd had in the past. I never saw stripping as dirty in any way. I always saw guys who went to strip clubs as silly, but I that's an whole other issue.

I wouldn't date a still working prostitute, but if a girl told me she'd been one in the last, it wouldn't bother me, as long as she'd been tested. That's true of anyone I meet who was sexually active, though, so no real difference there.

Cimarron29414 · 02-16-2010, 08:35 AM

"Hey baby! What's your name?"
"Rebecca."
"I'm Steve. I'm an accountant down on Chalmers Street. What do you do?"
"I work as the testor in the quality assurance lab at the Sybian factory."

Discuss...

02-13-2010, 03:37 PM	#41 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	Jeez, maybe he should have said "selling your mouth, vagina, and rectum as sexual equivs of the Lincoln Tunnel." High traffic. Semantics are killing us in here. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

02-13-2010, 03:48 PM	#42 (permalink)
Shaindra Psycho Location: Massachusetts	Just curious...what about a woman with a moderately high partner count vs. one who was a prostitute for a short period of time with a similar partner count? __________________ "Never regret something that once made you smile."

02-13-2010, 03:58 PM	#43 (permalink)
mixedmedia has all her shots. Location: Florida	Good question. and I think the distinction is significant, Crompsin. you can liken it to soldiers being called 'baby killers,' if you like. It describes an emotional conception rather than a factual reality. __________________ Most people go through life dreading they'll have a traumatic experience. Freaks were born with their trauma. They've already passed their test in life. They're aristocrats. - Diane Arbus PESSIMISM, n. A philosophy forced upon the convictions of the observer by the disheartening prevalence of the optimist with his scarecrow hope and his unsightly smile. - Ambrose Bierce

02-13-2010, 05:04 PM	#45 (permalink)
LoganSnake We work alone Location: Cake Town	Here is the where my stance differs from "a lot of people". I would never - ever - use the services of a prostitute. I have been through some very dry spells and the thought has never crossed my mind. My reasoning is two fold: 1) I will never be desperate enough for sex to pay for it. I find it demeaning (to me, not to the prostitute). 2) I find it dirty. It is because of the reason number two, I will never feel comfortable to date somebody (I cannot date somebody without the sexual aspect) who has been was a prostitute or has slept with an enormous number of guys. It is also because of that, that I will never ask for the "number". If it's high and I like her enough, I don't want to know because it will numb those feelings for me if I find out. "But Logan!", you ask "could you date a prostitute if you didn't know about her past?" What I don't know can't hurt me, right? __________________ Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing that you'll be an idiot in the future. Common sense is knowing that you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques

02-13-2010, 05:13 PM	#47 (permalink)
LoganSnake We work alone Location: Cake Town	Wrong. An STD can hurt me if I don't know about it. __________________ Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing that you'll be an idiot in the future. Common sense is knowing that you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques

02-13-2010, 05:11 PM	#46 (permalink)
Xerxys Junkie Location: My head.	Right.

02-13-2010, 05:19 PM	#49 (permalink)
LoganSnake We work alone Location: Cake Town	Shhh! TFP doesn't like the word skank. A sexually liberated woman is the PC term. __________________ Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing that you'll be an idiot in the future. Common sense is knowing that you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques

02-13-2010, 05:28 PM	#51 (permalink)
LoganSnake We work alone Location: Cake Town	You've been talking to some weak hearted fools, mm. __________________ Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing that you'll be an idiot in the future. Common sense is knowing that you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques

02-13-2010, 05:44 PM	#54 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	Righteous. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

02-13-2010, 05:49 PM	#55 (permalink)
mixedmedia has all her shots. Location: Florida	I am not being passive aggressive. I am making a point that is totally supportable. You're the one who can't seem to get past it and just accept that it is my position. I accept that a person can accept or reject any person for the consequences of their actions - real or perceived. And I have said that explicitly in this thread. Personally, I don't care, why should I? But, I am as free as anyone here to object to the use of terms, phrases, stereotypes and opinions as I see fit. What is the problem? __________________ Most people go through life dreading they'll have a traumatic experience. Freaks were born with their trauma. They've already passed their test in life. They're aristocrats. - Diane Arbus PESSIMISM, n. A philosophy forced upon the convictions of the observer by the disheartening prevalence of the optimist with his scarecrow hope and his unsightly smile. - Ambrose Bierce

02-13-2010, 05:58 PM	#57 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	Oh, no problem. This discussion has devolved into the typical "What is a 'ho?" exercise. Oops! And how boring. Frankly, I'd rather get into another 9mm vs. .45 debate or the famous TFP "Should I stay or leave?" routine. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

02-13-2010, 06:03 PM	#58 (permalink)
Manic_Skafe More Than You Expect Location: Queens	... __________________ "Porn is a zoo of exotic animals that becomes boring upon ownership." -Nersesian

02-13-2010, 06:27 PM	#60 (permalink)
LoganSnake We work alone Location: Cake Town	Something along those lines, yes. __________________ Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing that you'll be an idiot in the future. Common sense is knowing that you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques

02-13-2010, 07:01 PM	#62 (permalink)
LoganSnake We work alone Location: Cake Town	And what would be the point of filtering them out other than basically saying in big bold letters "Your opinion has no foundation"? I don't want to wade in a watering hole where 100 other dicks have been. Do you want a reason for that other than I think it's icky? __________________ Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing that you'll be an idiot in the future. Common sense is knowing that you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques

02-13-2010, 07:39 PM	#64 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	I don't expect that I'd have a problem dating someone who used to be in the sex industry provided that the person was physically healthy and mentally stable. But that physically healthy and mentally stable thing goes for every potential mate, regardless of past profession.

02-13-2010, 07:43 PM	#66 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	We are the world... __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

02-13-2010, 07:47 PM	#67 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	On second thought, I wouldn't date woman who had a job at all. It just seems soo, um, groooooooooooooooooooooody.

02-15-2010, 04:49 PM	#72 (permalink)
Anormalguy After School Special Moralist Location: Large City, Texas.	Dating a prostitute or a porn star would be a problem for me, but that more a reflection of my age and experience (lack of?) than either profession. __________________ In a society where the individual is not free to pursue the truth...there is neither progress, stability nor security.--Edward R. Murrow

02-16-2010, 08:04 AM	#73 (permalink)
Anxst Condensing fact from the vapor of nuance. Location: Madison, WI	My first fiancee was a stripper. It's how she paid for college when the grant money wasn't enough. She felt it was less horrible than taking out school loans...she never liked being in debt. When I met her she was already in a white collar job as a city planner, but she still loved going to strip clubs. She was a bit of an exhibitionist, and knew many of the girls who worked there. I never had an issue with it. It was just a job. She'd stated she enjoyed it, but just saw it as a job she'd had in the past. I never saw stripping as dirty in any way. I always saw guys who went to strip clubs as silly, but I that's an whole other issue. I wouldn't date a still working prostitute, but if a girl told me she'd been one in the last, it wouldn't bother me, as long as she'd been tested. That's true of anyone I meet who was sexually active, though, so no real difference there. __________________ Don't mind me. I'm just releasing the insanity pressure from my headvalves.

02-16-2010, 08:35 AM	#74 (permalink)
Cimarron29414 Still Free Location: comfortably perched at the top of the bell curve!	"Hey baby! What's your name?" "Rebecca." "I'm Steve. I'm an accountant down on Chalmers Street. What do you do?" "I work as the testor in the quality assurance lab at the Sybian factory." Discuss... __________________ Gives a man a halo, does mead. "Here lies The_Jazz: Killed by an ambitious, sparkly, pink butterfly."