Otacon_5

I'm a little stuck. I want to achieve a long-lasting, intense and/or fully-body orgasm by alternative means to penis stimulation. However, by my present knowledge, I only know of anal or prostate stimulation; I don't know how to achieve an orgasm by playing with my anus - with a toy - a dildo - fucking it. I've tried to achieve a prostate orgasm, and haven't had success with this either; I don't really -- know what my prostate feels like when stimulated.

So far, I've tried my fingers - if I place them 2" or so in my anus, and find a slippery/wet (Not dry, and not full of fecies, but rather... semen I guess), I experience a feeling similar to stimulating the head of my penis. After rubbing this area for a while, my body temperature increases, I become more sexually aroused and -- not only do I pre-cum - but -- I also notice semen leak from my anus, or some other fluid; it smells... nice I guess -- kinda arousing. After massaging for a while, or rubbing fast whilst pressing on this area, my fingers... ache a lot, and I can no longer continue to stimulate this area of my rectum.

I've also tried using the Rude Boy prostate vibrator (I'm not too sure, but it may be too big and not wide/thick enough); if I place this in fully, it feels as if I've hit a bone - a wall in my rectum. If I fuck this part whilst leaving the dildo vibrating, I'll feel as if I'm going to urinate, and again - I pre-cum.

The last means for achieving an orgasm from my rectum - or prostate, was a 7" rubber cock-dildo. Although un-successful most of the time, this had succeeded in providing the experience of an intense yet discreet feeling. I had this positioned quite specifically, but haven't been able to adjust to the position since; it wasn't fully in, but was around 2-3" outwards, and was poiting upwards to my penis. This had felt as if I had a second penis or something in my rectum, and was also as if it was being stimulated, and was close to climax. Although, I didn't climax and had broken out of this in excitement -- this had resulted in a feeling like numbness but was incredibly intense and pleasurable from within the spot the dildo was pointing - or pressuring upon from within my rectum. The feeling grew more intense within a matter of seconds, had spread to my penis and to my theighs.

So, I've been wondering as to how it should feel if my prostate is being stimulated, and as to any dildo's/prostate vibe's recommended for achieving an orgasm alike a female orgasm!

Any help is greatly appreciated!

ruggerp11

Instead of shoving whatever you have around in there and hoping, my suggestion is to try something specifically designed for a prostate orgasm in men.
I have not used this but there have been several threads regarding this toy.

Sex Toys for Men, Prostate Massager, Prostate Stimulator Stimulation

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Otacon_5

The rude boy prostate vibrator was supposed to be specifically designed for providing intense quick and easy prostate orgasms. It hasn't gave me this however; would the aneros be more definite in providing a solution (e.g. or would its latest progasm definately give a prostate orgasm?)

Ourcrazymodern?

Um, I thought the prostate was intimately involved in a man's orgasm. Can it really have one by itself?

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Otacon_5

I've heard that it's possible, and that the orgasms can be comparable to that of a females.

LAW2

I think they call it milking the cow.

Anonymous Member

Hmm... I'm pretty sure that the anus does not self-lubricate. The only options I can think of for fluids from the anus are (a) fecal matter (b) blood (c) lube that you put in yourself.

Otacon_5

I know what it is; it's some type of anal saliva released from within the anus to clean out fecies.

Hyacinthe

1) Ofcourse your anus has some form of natural lubricant otherwise you would rip off layers of flesh every time you voided. Actually, it's normal for the inside of the anus to continually produce some natural lubricant. During sexual arousal, the inner anal canal may generate more lube than usual. This substance can be "ejaculated" through the anus as a result of contractions due to stimulation and an empty bowel. Although you liken your anal ejaculate to semen, it's plain ol' mucous that's been secreted by the lining of the bowel. This is normal and nothing to be worried about. However, if you have constant diarrhea, pain during bowel movements, blood in your stools, and/or other symptoms, that's a different issue and you'd be wise to wash your hands and see a health care provider.

2) There are a whole series of toys out there that are designed for prostate stimulation - the rude boy I've got to tell you not the best - infact the only great thing about it is the whole rocking idea. Personally I would advise tantus products as the best to try in the situation. They're made of medical grade silicone (woodchipper and flame proof - yes I HAVE actually put one through a woodchipper and set one on fire- well tried, I love my job) which means they're completely safe to use they all come with a seperate vibrating bullet (well not the vacuum attachment bottom ones but almost all the others) and are ergonomically designed. Keep in mine though that they're not designed for a thrusting type use but more a rocking one though. The other thing I would suggest is trying to find Lelo prostate massager - it's more a finger attachment rather then an actual dildo type product the way the others are but apparantly it's prety fantastic, I can't give you a for certain guarantee because I haven't tried one (the female prostate being much harder to reach then the male) but I know that the men I work with who got one for product testing think it's possibly the best one currently out there. No vibration function far as I know though.

All of those will be a bit on the pricey side I am afraid (I tend to buy myself top of the range toys) but anything roughly the same shape as the Bob (The lelo product I am talking about) should work for you.

Now the way that the male orgasm works with the prostate is interesting, about 25 - 30% of ejaculate released is actually prostate fluid in the forms of acid phosphatase, citric acid, fibrinolysin, prostate specific antigen, proteolytic enzymes and zinc. Infact the entire reason that a cock ring (worn around the penis AND the scrotum as opposed to a shaft ring) works in extending the male orgasm is because it puts pressure on the connection from the prostate gland to your scrotum, that slowing of the release of the fluids from the prostate is actually what extends your orgasm. It is possible however to stimulate the prostate to the point where you can achieve a full body orgasm by prostate manipulation alone though it is often accompanied by penile secretions.

Am I a font of useless ( or useful in this case) knowledge or what?

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Otacon_5

Hey! I'll have a look at those dildos, and thanks for all that advice!
I greatly appreciate all the info!

I think the Rude boy and the cock-like dildo that I've used, go a little too deep; I think they're designed for older males. Although, I've read that they should work for 18's. However, when placing the cock-like dildo 2-4" inside my rectum, and pointing it upwards, towards my cock, I tend to feel as if I'm stimulating a penis, but this is hard to differ from the other sides of my rectum. I mean, the time in which I experienced an intense pleasurable feeling from stimulating this area alone, of which is probably my prostate, was very specific, and is very hard to adjust to - I haven't adjusted to this since. I had also achieved that feeling without touching my cock - hands free. Damn, I'd love to have a massive orgasm; a long-lasting, full-body, intense orgasm!

Anyway, I'll have a look at the suggestions you gave me! Thanks!

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Oh, I was also wondering... if the prostate is 2 - 4" deep from within the rectum, then why are the toys near 10" or more, and go in as deep into the rectum? If I use the Rude boy, it feels as if it hits a wall; it feels like I've hit a bone, with the funny feeling, and my guess is that most others would be the same?

Strange Famous

I would guess if you are not emotionally homosexual or bisexual it probably wouldnt be possible to orgasm through this manner... obviously I dont know your sexuality.

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neobutt

I recommend that you use something like an Aneros or Nexus. I'm not gay but I have had good success achieving the so called "Super-O" using the Nexus Glide. The major difference between this form of orgasm and the others is that it requires a lot of mental concentration / relaxation.

You can't expect to jam in one of these things hard and just cum in a few minutes. (kinda like how a girl can't cum the right away) I think the average amount of time people use these devices to achieve maximum effect is between 1 - 3 hours.

It takes a while, but once you've had that first super orgasm, you'll want to have another one, which is entirely possible. My sessions run from 1 - 2 hours and I usually have one or two super-o's before I decide to stop having more orgasms for the day.

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Hyacinthe

You can achieve a prostate orgasm even if not homosexual - you do have to be in the right mind space for it though - if you're one of those people who are "EXIT ONLY" about your anal passages then you're definitely not going to be able to and only partially because you'll instinctually clench and cause yourself more pain.

The reason that so many of the strap on and other dildos that you see which are advertised as homme toys is because like with women there are a certain percentage of the male population out there who like the feeling of being stretched around a larger object - they actually find pleasure in feeling their muscles clenching around something of a certain size. If you're experiencing pain when using those type of objects I would try to find something smaller, age won't play much of a role in it but muscle strength most definitely will.

Apparently the bext way to achieve a prostate orgasm ( I asked a few co-workers about this) is to find one of those finger like attachments and try a process called milking - rather then trying to nudge or hit your prostate find it with a more delicate touch and then try stroking it - kindof like with a woman when looking for her g-spot, a bit of a come hither finger crooking should do the trick.

One thing I should have mentioned (as in REALLY should have) is to be careful of the angle and speed at which you remove anal toys - anything with a larger insertion point then removal point be very careful not to 'rip' them out. The sudden stretching of the anal muscles caused by the quick removal of the more sharply expanding toys could cause problems. I'll try to do a bit of an image below to demonstrate what I mean.



<- this bit between the almost handle and the bit which is inserted is what I am referring to where it suddenly expands, this toy is probably ok but there are some out there with a very low angle at that point which is what can cause damage if removed too fast


Has nothing to do with size or shape but the angle. Sorry my ascii drawing skills suck monkey rump hence a real image.

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MSD

Sorry if your ingrained or enculturated homophobia leads you to think that, but that's not how it works. If he's homosexual or bisexual, then he won't enjoy being stimulated by another man. If he doesn't buy into the myth that enjoying anal stimulation makes you gay, he'll enjoy it. Prostate stimulation will result erection and ejaculation as a purely physiological response; it's the mindset that determines whether or not it's enjoyable beyond physical release.

Anonymous Member

Remember, too much lube is almost enough when it comes to putting things in your ass, and I suggest something that vibrates.

Strange Famous

I dont see the basis of your description of me as "homophobic"

I have no dislike or contempt of gay people. My mother is gay, I have mates who are gay, I have played football with peope who are gay. I absolutely consider heterosexuality and homosexuality to be equally valid choices of lifestyle that any adult should be allowed to make without prejudice or disadvantage.

It is my view that only someone with homosexual tendancies, latent or open, could achieve sexual excitement from anal sex. In no way does this imply any negative judgment against such people.

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Manic_Skafe

You're mixing social stigmas with the human anatomy and physiology. Everyone has an asshole. Everyone's asshole works the same. It's stands to reason that anal sex can be exactly as pleasurable for the heterosexual as it is commonly believed to be for those who prefer the same sex.

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spectre

The reason is because that's a very myopic view. You may not enjoy prostate massage, but that doesn't make you 100% straight, just like enjoying a prostate massage doesn't make you gay or bi. It's basic anatomy. There are nerves there that can cause pleasure, so some people can enjoy it. But automatically equating it to anal sex is logical leap that comes off as homophobic.

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Strange Famous

in my judgment it is the opinion of a human being. Sex to me is not some purely mechanical unthinking reaction.

It has an emotional basis based on lust, attraction, affection - a whole number of human emotions and conditions.

The same nerve endings may have the same mechanical reaction if you stroke your pet dog, or you strole an animal corpse - but do we suppose we cannot tell the difference? Our reaction to any physical stimulation happens in the context of our feelings and pyshcological view.

Again, I am not saying there is anything morally wrong with a male finding pleasure in being anally penetrated, but I say again that such a state would normally mean that the person had some homosexual feelings.

Now, to me - the fact that I am called homophobic for saying a particular thing is homosexual is in fact an indication of an underlying cultural homophobia that that person at least accepts as colouring their world view. The assumption is made that if I call something homosexual I am making a negative or insulting judgment.

In fact I am not prejudiced, and I do not in my world view see any moral difference between homosexual and heterosexual actions - and a great many people are capable of both.

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MSD

Maybe homophobic wasn't exactly the right word, but I think you are making stereotypical assumptions not based on fact.

Otacon_5

Ah, I understand now. So, the fundamentals are to relax and to adapt to a sufficient mind-set, consistent with anal pleasure; that is, to find an intuitive perspective that is sexually aroused by anal play. I managed to achieve this last night, and had almost orgasm'd from it, but the muscles throughout my entire body had started to clench fairly rapidly, and my breathing had become shallow yet rapid - it was as if my body was being compressed (It was the intuitive perception of what I was viewing - porn - that had led to the increased arousal and the initiation of what I believed to be a prostate/anal orgasm).

I'll try something that attaches to my finger; my middle finger alone, is unable to stimulate my prostate for sufficient time to achieve orgasm; my hand begins to ache quite bad due to the way I insert it.

Thank you for all the advice! I greatly appreciate it!

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I know what you mean; you need to find some pleasure in anal play in order to gain pleasure from it. Contrary to finding pleasure before play, sometimes we can find what we hate to become what we love; that is to say, if someone forced an individual into anal play, erotically - not agressively, but someones' girlfriend tricked them into anal play, and although they may dislike it at first, a few moments, minutes or a second session may lead to them finding great pleasure from the session.

spectre

You're right, sex is more than just a mechanical reaction, but what I'm saying is that there is a natural reaction there. To outright dismiss it is naive at best.

Of course there's context, that happens with every sense. If we were to blindfold you and have you smell some food cooked up, and it smelled really good, if you knew it was your pet puppy, you'd react very differently than finding out it was chicken. But if you weren't told, you'd probably have no problem eating it because you wouldn't have that mental block from that stigma getting in the way. If you view something with enough of a negative stigma attached to it in your own mind, of course you won't enjoy it. Not to say that you would enjoy it otherwise, but adding baggage to it will definitely make it impossible to enjoy.

All I'm saying is don't bullshit about it. You have a stigma attached to it so it won't work for you. That's fine. I have no interest in it either and know (or at least have a really good idea) that I probably wouldn't enjoy it, but I'm not going to sit here and automatically lump everyone that would into being gay or bi so that I feel better about that.

So you're saying because people felt that your post was homophobic, it makes them homophobes automatically? *YOU* were the one who implied that anyone who engaged in prostate massage was automatically gay or bi. The "I'm rubber, your glue" defense doesn't work so well in this sort of conversation.

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Daniel_

I didn't read it that way - I thought he meant something like "You put homophobia on the table, which indicates to me that your world view takes criticism of my desire not to poke things up my ass as a hatred of gay men"

I think that is a beatiful and sexy woman offered to toss Famous' salad, he wouldn't class that as "gay". If she wanted to strap on a rubber cock and bone him, he might. I can see that distinction not being homophobic.

I don't want to eat aubergines, but I don't hate people that do, and I'm not about to burn down the Greek embassy for serving mousaka.

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Otacon_5

If I taken Estrogen pills, and ensured that estrogen was the dominant gender-bound hormone in my body, would the chances of achieving orgasms by means of penetration, or breast/nipple stimulation be increased?

Xerxys

I really don't think so dude. Testosterone is the major hormone responsible for arousal in males. I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure you feeling any form of "hornyness" in that state is unlikely.

Anormalguy

Just because a man enjoys being stimulated anally does not necessarily mean that he has "homosexual tendencies, latent or open."

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Hyacinthe

I can end all this "is it gay to enjoy anal sex" debate with one simple thing

If you have to be a gay man to enjoy anal sex why is there a rather hefty percentage of women out there who enjoy it from their male partner?

Octacon5

Well you'd end up with a heap of problems actually, you'd probably suffer complete impotence when it came to penile stimulation since you wouldn;t have the testosterone rush that would normally accompany any form of stimulation there.

Your nipple could become more sensitive yes but you'd also have puffiness and depending on the levels of estrogen could infact cause you to develop actual breasts ( or something resembling them) and that's if you're not one of the men out there who already have sensitive nipples, there is also a percentage of women who don't have sensitivity in that region

Estrogen levels will have absolutely no impact on your prostate orgasms - in fact if anything they might make it harder since the female version of the prostate gland is smaller, I can't say that estrogen would shrink yours but I can't guarantee it wouldn't either.

Personally I don't think it would be worth it specially considering as no Dr worth the paper his / her degree was written on would prescribe it for you with this in mind meaning you'd have to do it illegally with no observation by a health professional.

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Messing with hormones in a half-arsed manner is is BAD, m'kay?

Adding 'female' hormones could provoke your body to react by producing an excess of 'male' hormones... An excess of testosterone, if you have a healthy libido, is not something that you might want to inflict on yourself, even possibly.

What was the line about Bob in Fight Club? (illustrative purposes...)

Ah yeah, taking testosterone to make up for the loss of his testicle(s), his body responded by pushing up his 'female' hormone levels et voila... Goliath-sized bitchtits.

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Otacon_5

Sorry for the long delay between posting! I've been pretty busy, and well, the estrogen did increase my orgasms, increasing both penile and anal pleasure, and had made me feel more attracted to males. However, it had also reminded me of many times before when I wanted to transition and so, I kinda learned (practically certain) that I'm not male, so I'm gonna finish a transition

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Got a pic?

Hey I'm just curious. Don't judge

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Daniel_

Good luck - I've know a couple of people who went MTF, and it's a hard road.

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Otacon_5

A pic from now? I don't have a webcam set up (running 64bit Windows; drivers are incompatible), and haven't took one since August 2007. I have pictures of Myself from August 2007 - August 2005 on www . myspace . com / dave_888844

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Thank you, very much appreciated!
I can't go on hormone-replacement therapy until next year or after (they're not letting me until then... ), so my present option is to order hormones via the internet.

Spiritsoar

I'm curious. Did they tell you why they're not letting you? I assume that whoever "they" are, they might have a good reason. I don't claim to know a lot about this topuc, but I do agree with those that have said that playing with hormones in a non-medically supervised way is a general bad idea.

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Daniel_

Dunno about wherever the OP's from, but in the UK, you have to live "as a woman" for some time befre they start treatment, and then have to take a very gradual approach before they'll actually start lopping bits off and turning them inside out.

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Spiritsoar

That seems reasonable. I mean, showing patience and persistence goes a long way towards proving that you're really dedicated to the process. I stand by my theory that there is probably a legitamate medical and/or psychological reasoning behind the wait, and health care provider guidance should be heeded rather than on the side tinkering done with stuff you find on the internet.

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Otacon_5

They're not letting me because I'm with a counsellor at the moment. The incentive for contacting a counsellor stemmed from my doctor after telling him that I was having outbursts of stress that increased gradually, and at an exponential rate over the past two years. However, after talking the counsellor, they told me that I would need to finish it - a year - before being allowed to see a psychotherapist - possibly another year/half, and then for their response telling me if I'm allowed to go through HRT or not. The problem is that I'm 18 - I can't wait much longer otherwise the testosterone in my body would continue changing my physiology, and feel the need to pass as a female at a minimum before I'm 19. The lack of feminization has also depressed me a lot, and most often on a weekly basis to the point of considering suicide; I'm desperate to become female (I've also wanted to be a girl when I was younger, despite displaying male behaviour and response). I also don't know how to tell my counsellors about this; I fear that they may tell me to leave it, or get me prescribed with something else when I know I'd feel a lot better as a female (whenever I feel more feminine I tend to feel a lot more positive). So... I'm going to order female hormones online instead for the time being until I can be put through HRT.

Cimarron29414

You are being so foolish. There's a reason you go to a counselor - because they have experience with this. You don't! Do what they say.

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^^ Foolish maybe but if you actually read the post you quoted you would see he has condition that makes "do what they tell you to" a bit of nonsense fortune cookie advice.

@ Otacon, wait a bit longer, it will be for the best.

Otacon_5

Sorry if it seems foolish but I'm finding it extremely difficult to escape the idea of acquiring more oestrogens. The desire to become female had increased gradually since I last recognized it, and is now at the point where I feel a lot of depression - to the point where I become suicidal, on a daily basis. I can escape it for a short period of time (via distraction on another subject (e.g. perhaps watching a film or such)), but when I notice another female or something else related, it returns. I remember feeling an intense desire comparable to this when I was young before I hit puberty, but I hadn't felt depression like this before.

Daniel_

I think you need to find a way to express this to your therapist/counsellor.

Have you thought about printing this thread out and using it as a jumping off point at your next session.

It's a good thing that you've sought help, but a bad thing to withhold from your professional advisor something that is quite clearly germane to your treatment.

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