A pic of my Baby before I start on my mods (1280x960)
 

Eight years old and still looking practically new!

Current mods plans are:

Dual-LED turn-signal mirrors
New wheels, ordered yesterday, 17"x7"
Yokohama Parada Spec-2 tires; 215/40-17
Carbon fiber gauge bezel, ordered yesterday
White gauges that glow blue at night, ordered yesterday
Carbon fiber air intake
Carbon fiber exhaust
New seats, ordered last week
Carbon fiber spoiler
MOMO steering wheel
Ion-blue fog lights
New black carpet
New vinyl in the back
Carbon fiber dash bezel
Various interior lights; under dash, inside hatch, rear ceiling
Projector lights (haven't decided which model yet)
Body-matching Milano red paint on all exterior trim, sans spoiler
Dynamat everywhere
Dying the inside A, B, and C pillars and headliner black instead of grey
Front bumper lip
Possibly new front Z3-style fenders

...and whatever else I come up with... ;)


http://www.projectbigbrother.com/ima...pers/civic.jpg

for that much money (on mods) you could have got a much nicer car... ?

but at least you picked out the wheels i liked :D

I like my car, so what the fuck is everybody's deal? If I wanted to, I could go get a loan tomorrow and buy a brand new Acura RSX, but what would that accomplish? Would it please every fucker who doesn't like the car I already have? Probably. Would it make me happy? No. So zip it if you don't have something nice to say.

Sounds cool, I've always liked hatchbacks. They just seem so cool, make sure to post some pictures once you get this stuff on. Good luck.

i did say something nice, you picked out the wheels i like :D

Pics will be posted at my site: Link

I'm probably crazy but are you going to drop a sound system into that also?

Not, really. I have a pair of Infinity Kappa 6.5" coaxials with crossovers that will go in the doors, and I'm planning on building an 8" sub into the rear, passenger-side wall under the window. I might also put a set of 3.5" coaxials in the C-pillars. The sub will most likely get its own amp, but no more than 100w RMS.

I listen to talk radio more than music, so I'm not going crazy on a sound system.

Lay off the Z3 fenders. They're way overplayed. Other than that, sounds good. Maybe get a full exhaust (cat-back?) instead of just that tip?

I'm not going with the full exhaust or any headers on this engine because I plan to put an Integra GSR engine in next summer.

I'm still not sure about the Z3 fenders, but you're right, they are overplayed.

I'd say don't go with the z3 fenders, and the spoiler doesn't really do much of anything on a FWD car until you're going ove 100, but those are some really nice fog lights and mirrors. I'm looking forward to seeing what it looks like when it's done.

The spoiler is mostly for looks. Mine is sorta lame looking, and I've always wanted one that flipped up like that. Plus, I can't pass up carbon fiber. :D

Was the drivers door replaced or repainted??

Please please please, leave the z3 fenders where they belong, on a z3.

Hopefully it turns out nice. The rims are most def cool. It is a civic hatchback correct?

Too mee, stock , they are probobly not the most eye appealing cars . BUT I have seen at least a few that were modestly modded (Bigger tastefull rims etc) and I couldent help but to say WOW. I think they definatly have lots of potential.

FIXED do whatever you want as long as I see no lame bodykit, Azzeataz(altezzas), or a goofy 37in spoiler

I guess you're referring to that black body molding? For some reason, on both sides of the car, the strip on the door has stayed looking dark, but the pieces on the fenders have faded. It's not just on my car; I've seen other Civics like that, too. It's just one more reason to get them painted.

Here's a pic of another Civic across the parking lot from me. It has the same faded fender moldings:

http://www.projectbigbrother.com/ima...rs/turqciv.jpg

I'm not a huge fan of rice rockets, but I have to admit, that car looks pretty damned good. Clean too!

Would An LS1 fit in there? If so that thing would definatly move

uhhh, no.

Oh, its the z3 fenders that are overplayed.

Im not trying to be a dick here, i am an auto enthusiast here too, but i feel the Civic is the most played out car on the market, i mean PLAYED out. No matter what you do do it it has been done and likly on the other 300 Civics riding through town with their stock rims, lighted washer nozzel, fake HID's, altezzas, High picnic table type spoilers, unpainted bodykit, and hack job lowering that makes it bounce out of control.

But i do like hatchbacks...:D

Not just that but the paint is different on the door. You can't see the difference??

If I may...

Civics may have been done, overdone, and re-done. However, I have never seen any car that made effective use of high intesity LEDs. Neon-all over the damn place, but LEDs? Maybe on some brake lights or turnsignals, but think of the possabilities!

You could embed white LEDs in the wheelwells to highlight the wheels.

You could put colored spotlighting on the ground under the car. It would be really hard to NOT hide the lights.

Think of the interior lighting....

Have fun, good luck.

billege...boy, go sit your ass in the corner! My car will be very conservative and low-key in its mods. :p

nonsense all he needs is a sawzall and a hammer

Why can't we say anything negative? If you want universal praise for your motor then why not post on www.maxpower.co.uk or similar? I shan't say anything negative for now because you 'asked' for forbearance, but if you change your mind I'm ready when you are.

I'm with Castex. You post a pic of the most played out Rice boy car on the market with a list of unoriginal mods in a public forum and don't want negative feedback. Good luck on that one. I'm waiting in line behind Castex for you to lift that restriction, but in the future if you don't want honest opinions, don't post it in the first place.


Now that I'm off my soapbox I have an actual question. I didn't see a single performance mod on that list, are you planning on leaving it "all show, no go", or are you doing glamour mods first then performance?

at 8 years, that car looks pretty good. however, i would have taken the sleeper performance route. but to each his own. nice job though, really clean.

oh, and even though it's a civic and lots of people already modded theirs. just keep on doing what your doing because it's your car. just because it's a honda doesn't make it rice, i don't see other people ridicule ford mustangs and camero. sure they are fast, but the mods that were performed on them have been done over and over again. and the new generation mustang/camero drivers are the idiots who sport the leds wind shield squirters, turn signals, stickers and such

Why are you all dying to post negative feedback?

I have never understood the notion that the first thing one must do is loudy declare why someone else's idea is wrong. What's up with that? What difference could it possibly make? It's his car, obviously he's going to make it like he wants, so what's the point?
Why does this notion prevade the entire TFP, and world at large?

Are you joking?

Billege:I want to post negative feedback, because he vehemently doesn't want me to. That's the kind of person I am. Also, I'm into the performance more so than the looks, so spending a ton of money on something that does nothing to improve my driving experience seems silly to me. Your right it's his car and he can do with it what he wants to. By the same token, it's my opinion and I'll do what I want to with it. I'll respect his work if it's well done whether it's a played out look or not. I, however, see far too many folks buy Honda's thinking it will be easy to make a street rod out of it because of the plethora of aftermarket parts for it, but they half ass the job. Parts don't fit well, paint has orange peel, and it never runs because of shoddy mechanical work. Like I said, if a good job is done, I'll respect the work put into it even if I personally don't like the way it looks. And yes BoCo, I'm sure you aren't some little kid who is planning to do a half ass job of it, but does anybody ever plan to do a half ass job?

evo_schen: I'm an equal oportunity offender. Rustangs and other muscle cars are fair game too, if they don't have the performance to back it up. Performance mods are going to be done over and over, because there are only so many routes to good HP and handling. Glamour mods get played out because people get tired of looking at the same old thing over and over again. Bright paint, lights and neon everywhere, and a huge spoiler at the back of a FWD car(??? I have yet to understand the logic behind this one) are so "been there, done that".

I love the mirrors!

SI??

The thing is, people like civics because of the way them look, not because of the way they perform (to a certain extent).

If he wanted something balls out fast for cheap, he would buy some old camaro or a DSM.

What would seem silly to me, would be to dump a bunch of money into this car for performance. I mean think about it, A jackson supercharger kit probobly costs upwards of $3000 and it would still be a 15 second car. You can buy an entire "fast car" like I mentioned above for that price.

BoCo. Check out these seats, im not sure if they would fit, but they look killer.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2424557895

Is that you slagging off someone's neon on the other thread, Billege?

Agreed, but yet I still have grocery getters with huge body kits and 18 inch rims revving on me everyday thinking they are fast. Where I'm from if you are going to make your car look fast, you need to be able to back it up. You don't have to have the fastest car at the strip, but people see a modded up car and want to see what makes it go. A stock engine under the hood makes you look like a poser. These are often the ones who get hurt because they drive aggressively and their cars are still set up in stock soccer mom configuration but all the extra stuff they do to the car throws the handling off even more. It sounds like BoCo has that part okay (I think I read in another thread that he has done some or will do some suspension work on it).

Bottom line is Civics aren't race cars. You can dump alot of money in performance mods in them, and they are still slow in the 1/4 mile and the FWD doesn't handle road courses well without a professional driver. The other option is do a lot of glamour work on it and look like a wannabe. Maybe the scene is different in your area, but I can only talk about what I know.

With the exception of a few of you, the majority of you are complete fucking morons.

1. I bought the car in 1995, brand new, before they were even very popular. Just because every damn Asian high school kid puts a 5ft wide wing on his doesn't mean I'm going to sell mine. I bought the car as a way of saying "fuck you" to my bitch mother who kicked me out of her house without any money to my name a mere 4 months after she did so. It's since been an awesome car that gets 40mpg, has enough room to fit 2 bikes and most of the things I own; I've even moved pretty much everything I own in that car twice, albeit on multiple trips across town. It also has plenty of interior room and a bulletproof drivetrain. I'd be as big a fucking retard as you dorks if I was to sell it because others have ruined theirs.

2. I have plans to buy a brand new Integra GSR engine, tranny and axles next summer to replace the current engine. It will have 170hp stock which is more than enough. If I needed an engine or car to compensate for lacking a big dick then I'd buy whatever pieces of crap you people drive, but I have no need to do that.

3. Twisted Fate: I'll post whatever the fuck I feel like, you little bitch. If you don't like it, I'll buy you a plane ticket to St. Louis and gladly meet you there to greet you in an unsavory way. You say you're into performance, and so am I, but I prefer a car that handles corners more than I care about juvenile impromtu drag races at stop lights. If you want to burn out and look like a fool, then go right ahead. I'll have more fun taking twisty country blacktop while you're getting your well-deserved ticket.

Snoogans: Thanks, dude. Pretty damn sweet mirrors, huh?

89transam: Thanks, dude, but I already have seats on the way and they weren't nearly that expensive.

To all you dumbasses: say whatever you want, but expect me to reply to your idiotic B.S.

TwistedFate: i know everything is fair game, just wanted to bring to peoples attention that not all japanese cars are rice

Plus, calling people "ricers" shows your obvious racism against Asian people.

you weren't directing that at me, were you?

No.

You have no clue what I stand for, so maybe you should realize that before you start flinging personal attacks about me and my principles. I'll start by saying drag racing in a street legal car is for chumps that can't drive and burn outs do nothing but wear out clutches, transmissions, and tires. I have never once street raced as endangering other peoples lives is not my idea of fun. Performance means more than straight line speed. I'm glad you are into handling. So am I. I drive a '95 Civic HB as my daily driver so I know the capabilities of it pretty well and know that it understeers like a pig. You can make it handle better, but you can never make it handle what I would consider good. So go peddle all that handling propaganda to somebody that doesn't know any better.

Here is my performance car:
http://members.verizon.net/~vze4mfzt/myride.jpg

I have watched so called 'good handling' Civics nearly go off road trying to follow me when I wasn't even pushing it. I take turns at speeds Civic drivers wish they could. I know handling, and how to get around turns quickly, and a Civic is not the best way to do it.

I don't have anything against you personally, but I saw the start of what I know to be a bad road. I've peeled kids from around trees because the mods they made to their cars didn't help the driveabilty at high speeds, a lot of them made them worse. I saw in another thread (after my original post) that you have some handling issues covered, and that you will be replacing the engine to back up the aggressive looks you are getting ready to put on it. I'm glad. Everything else I have is just personal preferences of mine and don't enter into it in this situation, because I have already said it is your car to do with as you please especially once you have taken care of safety issues. I may not have posted my first message if I had seen your other thread first. Upon review I also missed the post where you mentioned putting the motor in, so I wouldn't have asked the "all show, no go" question if I would learn to read properly. :hmm:

I tell you what, let me know when you get it built like you want it. I'll drive down to St. Louis or meet you half way and give you a ride in the MR2 in exchange for a ride in your Civic. I love cars and would love to see what you can do with it. I've been in the little poser versions and I've seen the ones that are built for handling, but I've never actually been in one that was done with handling in mind. This is not meant as a "I'll show you what handling is all about" challenge, but as a real sharing of information and broadening of horizons.

And about the racist comment, that is the most rediculous statement I have heard in a long time. Especially considering you don't even know if I'm Asian or not. Again I feel the need to point out that a little knowledge about me before making personal statements would help alot.

evo_schen: Fair enough. I don't consider all Japanese cars rice. Note in this post that I have 2 myself currently and have owned nothing but Japenese cars for the last 12 years.

Hondas are exactly what they're advertised as. Economy cars.

They're not racecars. They're not made for "Taking corners". They're not made for anything other than driving your ass around town. Why else would they come with 75hp at the wheels stock? Have you tried cornering in your Civic Hatch? Those things get more body roll than my friends truck. Planning to stiffen your springs? Get stiffer springs, it'll lower your car. Then what happens...you scratch your car on every little bump. You go over speedbumps sideways. I see it every day.

Maybe over there in St. Louis Civics aren't as butchered as they are here. But it's come to my attention that anyone that mods Civics DESTROYS THEM. They're not fast cars, but everyone that drives one thinks they are. If you get your GSR engine in there successfully without screwing something up, congratulations. But it's not a Civic anymore is it? You're wasting your money. Engine swaps are expensive, and they take a lot of time, assuming you're going to do it yourself. If you pay someone to do it, expect to pay out the ass in labor costs cause it's not an easy job.

Good luck, guy. If I see you posting on here and your Civic looks decent, good. If it looks like ass, i'll gladly go to St. Louis to drill a hole in the gas tank and light a match and piss on the ashes.

I don't know much about cars, but I have always though hatchbacks looked really fun to drive.
Then again.. I'm stuck with an '85 blue volvo station wagon.

I like the rims.

"Is that you slagging off someone's neon on the other thread, Billege?"


I don't know what "slagging off" means. It's also not likely I was "slagging off" someone's neon in another thread. It's not likely because I don't have the vaguest memory of commenting on anyone's neon.

I guess you should look at the username of whatever comment you're reffering too.

BoCo -- Eight years old huh? Your right it does still look new!

billege
Insane

Posted on Rice for Breakfast, lunch...

"It's a neon.

So it's really fast.

It's still a neon.

A lot like owning a J body, but...worse.


__________________
When you look inside, what do you see?"

I see someone not taking their own advice. Really, I'm not trying to be an arse, but you should steer clear of such hypocrisy.

Ever see a Civic with a blown GSR engine beat a Viper on a 1/4 mile??

My outlook on this, the civic isnt the best car for handling, i'd go w/ an awd DSM, or an evo...:) still though, hondas are ok cars, but if modding your car is what you wanna do, the go for it, cause man, its your cash, your life, your choice, go for it, so long as your happy.

On a semi-related note, i dont think "ricer"= racism, mainly because most ricers are stupid little white boys with to much of daddys money to spend...:D. Though, i think "ricer" is the most overused word...ever.

Still though, Keep us updated with future mods, and show us more pics!

BoCo:

Nice ride....you've got my respect for keeping the car looking so good for 8 years. It ought to last a long time in your care.

About the "ricer" thing. My understanding of the term is that it refers to any cars that have been modified to LOOK fast, but none of the mods actually make the cars any faster. True, it's most often applied to Asian cars that are "all show, no go", but I've heard it applied to American cars that have had stickers and neon lights slapped all over them.

Why don't you make it a track car? Gut the interior, put a recaro race seat in there, 5-point harness, drop the GS-R/Type-R motor in there, get some race compound tires, and TRACK that thing!

I went to a racetrack with a few buddies of mine, and a hatchback civic passed me up in the corners. It's a fun little car if you just get the proper equipment. That is, unless you're into just the looks.

Nice pics. Here's a pic of my car.
<img src="http://www.angelfire.com/hero/porkibear/images/IMG_2117.JPG">

Not a bad civic mate. Too bad they are so common.

<b>castex</b>,

OHHH! THAT Neon. With a capital "n."

On this thread I mentioned to BoCo some stuff about LEDs, and neon.

The you asked me about neon. I figured you meant neon lights on someone's car. But, hey apparently you meant Neon, the car.

Yeah, I said a Neon sucks.

What the hell do you care anyway?

Sorry for the lack of a capital; I'd had a few, and my wife was waiting to watch 'League of Gentlemen' (Brit series, not film - very funny if you're not squeamish).

What do I care? I only care because on this thread you told us off for hinting at negativity in response to this poor bloke's pride and joy. Why can't the world get along (I'm paraphrasing), you said, why can't we all just love each other and congratulate ourselves on our uniform good taste and judgement? My point is that what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander - if you criticise others for one thing you should not be doing it yourself. Get it?

I love your avatar, BTW - gives me the willies!

My car isn't about "show" at all. I don't give the tiniest fuck if anyone is impressed with my car. I'm going to mod it in the way that *I* like it, and I'm not concerned whether or not my mods impress anyone else.

This car is awesome when it comes to handling. First off, it weighs under 2200 pounds. It also has double wishbones on all four corners, and with my Koni adjustable shocks and coilover springs, I can make it over-steer or under-steer as much as I want it to. To over-steer so much that it'll scare you, I simply set the front shocks at 1 and the rears at 4. Barely lifting of the throttle in a corner causes the rear to shoot out enough that it nearly goes into a tailspin. Normally, I keep the fronts on 3 and the rears on 4 because I like it to stay stiff. Also, the car has been lowered about an inch and a half on the coilovers, and I might lower it a bit more when I get the new wheels on. It all trial and error to get it as low as possible without rubbing the fenders on the tires when cornering or hitting bumps/dips.

Take a modded Civic for a drive and shut your fat mouth.

Why don't you keep the car in the condition it's in, invest that money you were going to spend on mods on a down payment for a house?

I'm serious.

Boco, man, good luck with the car and all. But maybe you should try some drugs. You sXe guys sure seem wound up sometimes. This is an open forum, so you gotta expect you're gonna get harshed on when you post specs for your rice rocket.

And ricer is not a racist term. That would imply that I think all Asian people are inferior in some way to whatever race I am. I don't. Ricer is a term typically aimed at Japanese cars. They eat a lot of rice in Japan. End of line.

Again, good luck. Esp. if it's your daily driver.

didn't read the thread. don't really care about car mods. happen to drive a civic that's completely stock and kinda crappy. but i like the insults.

"I am an ass." New tagline for me.


(You did catch me in something I didn't realize I was doing. I thank you.)

From now on I will be uniformly pissy about everybodys car.

--In part of my new "piss poor" performace piece I present this:--

BoCo, your car sucks.


It will suck no matter what you do to it.

In fact, whatever you do to it will suck, and will increase the overall "suckiness" factor.

When you are done with the car I will hear a huge sucking sound coming from the south. That will be you turning the key on your suckmobile.

Then you will post new pics of the car, and they will suck, because the camera you'll use to take the pictures sucks.

Even worse, the sucky pictures will be displayed over my monitor, which will make it suck.

Then I will be captured in the huge pool of suck eminating from your huge suck-car project.

Hence, ultimately, I will end up sucking too.


Thanks a lot.

Naw, billege, you're cool with me. Everyone else just sucks. :icare:

I wouldn't be caught dead in a "modded" civic. Get your "Marbles in a tin can" exhaust, get your "look at me I wasted $500 for rims" rims, get your "OMG CIVIC LOOK LED LIGHTS COOL!!!11 HOT!!11" lights, get your wing, get your body kit, get your dyed interior, get your seats, adjust your coilovers, drop a GSR engine in.

Try and sell it.

KBB of Honda Civic + 2/3 Cost of mods = Asking price

KBB of Honda Civic - 1/4 Cost of mods - Pointless engine swap = Price you'll get.

If you're lucky a riceboy will give you

KBB of Honda Civic + $200

You're wasting your money. Even if you don't want to sell it and you keep it forever, you'll just shake your head in dissapointment in 2 years when the riceboy era is over. Save your money for college or something. Buy a slurpee. Buy various drugs and experience life. Civics suck. Go pray to jesus for a better car.

Don't be like that, Billege!:)
Here's one of mine; exactly how much does it suck, would you say?

http://www.picman.co.uk/data/2003051...L/DSC_2970.jpg

Dude, I'm 27. I work for a living. Fuck the "riceboy era"; I do what I please despite what trends are going on around me. Fucking myself with drugs doesn't equal "experiencing life". Civics are great cars. I pray to Jesus that you don't always remain a flaming asshole.

I've been praying that <b>castex</b> would stop driving such a sucky car.

But a BMW wagon doesn't really suck, it blows.

It blows enough that there are high wind advisories when you come into town. That wagon would blow your hair dry, just so you can have the 80's "yuppie-do" you're soooo proud of. Blowing that much isn't usually a problem, but people in Texas are getting tired of the dust storms you're causing, and they're coming to kick your ass. In fact, if that car didn't blow as much as it does, it'd blow just a little more so we could use it to turn windmills. Intead your car can't even be really good at blowing, so we'll use it to keep the kids air beds inflated; if it can mangage that!

dont waste your money on this car...

Jeez, people sure as fuck don't offer much support in this thread.

It's still a nice, car, and i think its got potential, besides, its your money. :) and i atleast want more pics.

Seriously though, if you ever want a new project car, get a 90-94 eclipse/talon/laser that is turbocharged and has All Wheel drive.

Simply the most fun car to drive, ever(for the price and whatnot that is). :)

That'll let you surprise people at the lights quite nicely...

Not cool. Threats of "I'll beat you up" on the Internet just make you look as silly as him.

Least it isn't one of the newer ones. I do NOT like what they did to 'em.

If it wasn't popular you wouldn't do it. Everyone and their brother has exactly what you're putting on your Civic so you're doing it too. What ever happened to originality? The only thing original I see on your list of mods is the engine swap and everyone says their planning one but never does it. Done overdone and done again. The legacy that is the Civic.

::EDIT:: I don't think Jesus would appreciate the use of the word "Fuck" sir. Better repent.

newman, if the whole fucking world blew up and I was the only dude left, I'd still do the same mods I've listed. I do nothing because of popularity or I'd be a fucking pothead drunk on my way to another kegger.

I guess to make you happy I should buy either a Ford Mustang, Chevy Camaro, VW GTI or perhaps, a BMW M3. Those are certainly not overdone. :rolleyes:

BTW, Jesus doesn't care if I sat "fuck" or not. The word is only considered 'bad' because society says so. To God, it's just another word.

I understand the hostility here because most gearheads go for speed before looks.

The reason these mods are popular are beacuse marketing engineers dreamed up an idea, that they could sell overpriced hunks of molded plastic to people to modify there car. What would be origonal, building your own fiberglass body kit, not shelling out a few hundred for some cosmetic upgrades that everyone and the 16 year old girl nextdoor installed. Did you even want to upgrade your car before you witnessed the horror that is the "honda nation" commercial?

Boco am I reading your avatar right? Drugs free, sex for life?

Drug Free For Life. The sXe stands for Straight Edge. :thumbsup:

First off, i have very little respect for cars that make themselves look fast but have nothing to back it up. That being said, it is very important that as a car owner, you enjoy how your car looks....no matter what. And, considering the amount of money you stuck into looks, i think it is extremely tasteful. Could be MUCH worse for that money. for that, kudos to you.

Personally, i am totally biased against hondas and FWD cars in general, because as an excellent rule of thumb, they generally do not handle well. I am sure your hondah is great, but put the money spent on making it handle well into another car, and you will probably get better results. Hondas were econoboxes, not racecars.

Perhaps its late and im just not thinkin correctly, but on the first page, did you say you had carbon fiber intake and exhaust? What exactly are you talking about? obviously not the manifolds...and not the exhaust piping.....

Anyway, while its not my cup of tea, it could be much worse and im glad you enjoy it.


TwistedFate : i love it. i am currently looking into learning everything i can about mr2's....aiming to get a '93 or so when i get the money. mid/rear engine, turbo, awesome handling and aboslutely sexy lines imo.

Being original would be doing something that someone sees and says "Damn, don't see that too often." instead of "Damn, won't these fucking riceboys stop?". Not a day goes by that I don't see a lowered Civic with an exhaust, tinted windows, gauge pods with useless gauges in them (or even worse, empty), the damned colored speedo/tach, rims and a body kit that's unpainted. Granted some people think any reaction is a good reaction, but i'd give a better response to that guys MR2 than your Honda. MR2's are pretty original as a matter of fact. Not many people own them. Especially the older ones. Kudos to you sir. My entire point is you're doing the same thing as everyone else, and no, if the whole world blew up and you were the only "dude" alive, you wouldn't do these mods. You'd go steal some dead guys Civic who has the same work already done to it. It'd take you 30 minutes in Southern California to find one.

Yeah, that's right. I mean, every time I look at an NSX or an S2000 I find myself thinking, "Economy cars; that's all honda understand."

Oh god don't get me started on the NSX. The $80,000 car that performs far less than that of a ~$40,000 Corvette. Even comes with less horsepower and handles worse and looks worse in my opinion. I <3 vettes :D S2000 isn't quite so bad looking, but they're slow...real slow. Saw a stock S2000 with nothing but a 1' Aluminum wing at the Drags here, lost to a early 90's Ford Probe that was BEAT TO HELL! That must have been embarrasing. That Probe barely ran...

Huh, I lost my train of thought. I've been watching providence, and this show is depressing as hell, i don't remeber this show ever even being on the air, however its pretty sick i'm wondering why i never watched it when it was actually a show.

I don't like little cars, i'm a truck guy. However they corner really well and i think going fast and cornering around tight little streets and turns is fun as hell so.......

FUCK

my train of thought has gone nuts

Jessica simpson was just on TV being all sexy like!

oh well i'm gonna stop ranting now

Good luck w/ your car

Not trying to be a dick but I think you should reconsider your tire size. I've been around hondas for awhile and know that 205/40/17 is the max you should go on a civic. 17s usually look too big on a hatch anyway. Sure they'll fit under there (barely), but you'll most likely rub. Not to mention that the overall diameter is larger than the factory wheel/tire diameter. This will actually lift your car off the ground more. lowering will help but not as much as you think because the civic wheel well is pretty small. Actually that 215/40/17 tire will probably fill your entire wheel well without lowering.

Just giving you some things to think about.
To each their own. Enjoy your car.....afterall it is yours!

By the way here is my accord:

Old on 17s

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...8/fc66c907.jpg

New and Improved

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...a/fc0a8f85.jpg

Thanks dude. It is without a doubt the most fun car I have ever driven. That ones an N/A, but I'm looking for a Turbo to sit beside it, preferably Black for contrast or Steel Mist Gray.

You people may think it's not worth his time/money but the thing is it's his baby and it'll be one of a kind.

Drugs or no drugs, you still need to relax :) I am definitely in agreement with you on drugs, I can't stand em either.

People in forums generally get this way whenever Honda is mentioned in any thread, and the more you defend it the worse people get.

The problem I see here however is that no matter how much you state that you aren't copying anyone else, you are still doing the same modifications everyone else is doing to their honda (ok, minus the Altezzas and bodykit). The fart pipe, the lowering, the rims, the HID lights, the carbon fiber everything, the Z3 fender, the dying, the planned GSR swap, etc... it's all been done 5 million times, and I see at least 5 cars a day with those exterior mods on em.

But regardless of what I or anyone else says about you or your car, do what you want to it, and have fun with it. Who cares if it's a waste of money as long as you enjoy doing it. You could certainly find worse things to spend your time and money on.

See, thats the part i dont understand. Most of the import tuner / "cutomizer" scene guys attempt to modify their car to express their individuality. Yet they all seem to pretty much conform in their "individuality" to the same sets of modifications. the usual body kits and wings, tires and rims, and interiors all pretty much the same.

Now, its his car, more power to him to do what he wants, but ,frankly, its not going to be one of a kind.

I've got to agree with Peryn. It is physically, practically, and totally impossible for a modded Civic to be "one of a kind."

I suppose a stock Mustang is one of a kind?

Your logic here is flawed. A stock Mustang hasn't been modded to express someones individuality or artistic vision.

Is a modded Mustang one of a kind? Hell no. It's the same as every other modded Mustang on the road. It's all in what you like. Where I live there's a million Mustangs with aftermarket exhaust and some rims and all those redneck hillbillies think their car is the greatest thing on the planet. It's not. It's a gas hog that handles and looks like horse shit.

That's not the point. BoCo was comparing apples to oranges. Most of the import guys that do glamour mods say it's a way of expressing their individuality. When everyone of them does the exact same thing, how is it a display of individuality instead of conformity? And why would you compare a stock car to a modded car in reference to individuality? That's just rediculous. It's like comparing Lemonade to a fresh lemon for sweetness. What Mustang owners do to their cars doesn't even enter into it.

Hmmm...

If you buy a Ford Mustang, put on new wheels, add a supercharger, put a big Saleen wing and body kit on it, add some new shocks and sway bars and perhaps some Recaros and a roll cage, then you're a big man! You have the biggest, fattest, most desired cock on all the land; young girls fight to the death to swing from your scrotum; old ladies faint from disbelief as you roar buy with your dual 4" exhausts growling like two caged lions. All men wish they were you; all boys look to you as an idol and roll model; your own father bows before you as though you're his new god. You can leave tire marks everywhere you go, swinging your tail out as though a sign of territorial pissings. You are The Man. And no man before you or after you will ever stand up to your massive, heaving chest!

However, if you do the same mods to an imported Asian car, you're just "another one of those damn ricer guys".

Yeah, that makes sense.

Complete horseshit!! It does enter into it. Somehow guys that hate imports think that there aren't a million idiots who do the same lame wack dumb shit to Mustangs and Camaros. They just hate an import for no valid reason what so ever. The pic below is a Mustang that I took a pic of. It has a wack, ugly body kit. Big fat ugly wing. Ugly rims. Dual exhaust (It's a V6). Just try and tell me that this car isn't wack as fuck. BoCo's ride will look a million times better than this American made piece of horse shit, and that's because he's not a dumbass 16 year old kid who doesn't know what he's doing. The dude that owns this car thinks it's the shit. Fuck, my 99 Civic si is faster than that pile of crap. I'll also add that in Ohio you see 100 times more Mustangs and Camaros that look like this pile of crap than you do of riced up imports. It's all about modding the proper way, and most people just don't do it. So don't even try to act like people don't do the same lame shit to Mustangs because they do. I can easily take my camera with me and get a pic of a mustang similar to this every 20 minutes.

http://www.boomspeed.com/sixate/WackMustang.jpg

^ dazam that looks like ass.

ok, first off, dont make too much fun of the wing, at least its on a rear-wheel car....course THAT wing is uselss....but still.

Anyway, yes, there is as much domestic "rice" as there is for imports, mainly on mustang 5.slows. That wasn't the piont of my comment. It wasn't about who rices what, and why it sucks. it was pointing out that while he may like it, it is not unique. And, despite what you may think, does not express his individuality. Too many others do the EXACT same thing. even if he does do an engine swap (B18 i thought he said), would not be enough to make him unique. Still, a dime a dozen, though slighty more rare.

Now, do a RWD v-8 drop into you civic, and its unique and one of a kind. Put a rear-engine setup into it, and its unique. Simple engine swap, and minor body kits and redone interior = NOT expressing your individuality, but a misconception of societies trends in fashion projected onto your vision of "yourself".

So by your logic everyone that owns a Mustang won't have a one of a kind vehicle unless they drop in a 4 banger and convert it to front wheel drive so it'll be one of a kind. Otherwise every Mustang owner is just as dumb as the rest.... That's basically what you just said. :eek:

who the hell wants one of a kind? I wanna blend.

In short : yes.

First off, its not about car owners being dumber than other (though some are, mustangs owners definately included). Its his car, and good on him to do whatever he wants to it. i was simply pointing out that it will NOT express his individuality unless he is a conformist. and it will not be unique.

This should in no way mean i think his car sucks or that he shouldn't modify it. Just simply that he shouldn't pretend that is an expression of who he is as a person, or that it will be unique. If anyone does think that, they either have no understanding of themselves as a person, or are desperately trying to justify their actions to what they have done, rather than just admitting they think it looks fun.

I agree with what you said for the most part, and I believe that's exactly what BoCo is doing with his car. He's having fun and doing what he likes. He never said it was one of a kind. Lets face it. None of us have one of a kind cars. Unless you drive a Ferrari Enzo or a McLaren F1 you just don't have a one of a kind car. BoCo isn't doing shit to his car to impress anyone and I don't believe he ever stated that it's a form of expression. He's just having fun and doing shit to his car that he likes. There's nothing wrong with that.

I never once said I was doing it to express my individuality. I'm doing the mods I want because I like my car, but there are subtle things about it that I'd like to change, such as the mirrors, wheels, etc.

To express my individuality, I simply am the person I am. I don't conform to anything; if something within society happens to fit me and my opinions or styles, then I'll go with it, but that doesn't make me a conformist. Seriously, how many life-long skateboarders do you know who have never done any drugs and are die-hard Republicans and are into body building and are big computer geeks and are gear heads and mountain bike 100 miles or more a week and are fitness geeks? Even if I have things about me that are similar to others out there, I'm absolutely one of a kind, and so will be my car.

Another thing that is really saddening to me is the lack of men that seem to be lurking around here. Real men don't buy everything already made and finished. Real men buy things and modify them to exactly fit their own tastes. Whether it's a car or a motorcycle or even a house, real men don't leave anything alone. We were made to create, modify, and completely rebuild things as a way of not only self-expression, but also as a means of technological and human evolution. Any so-called man who doesn't understand this, who buys a car and leaves it as-is, who buys stereo speakers instead of building them, who pays for a deck to be built instead of buying the wood and nails and doing it himself is not a real man. A real man does shit for himself, he doesn't watch or pay others to do it. A real man plays football instead of watching it on TV and idolizing other men half his age. A real man knows how to do more than check his oil and fill up his gas tank. Being a man is about taking an idea or an object and making it your own, even if society chooses to shun or laugh at you for doing it the way you want to. If I was a bitch like most of you, I'd take your worthless insults as gospil and sell my car and buy whatever one you all thing I should and do to it whatever you tell me to. However, I chose to keep the car I have, modify it in any way I want, and tell you all to eat my ass. That's what being a real man is all about.

Fuck you.