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nine · 12-03-2003, 07:15 AM

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/031203/325/efi0b.html

BERLIN (Reuters) - The trial of Armin Meiwes, the German computer expert who gained worldwide notoriety by killing and eating a willing victim, is to begin, in a case of sexually inspired cannibalism so perplexing it could make legal history.

Meiwes, 42, described by his lawyer as a "gentleman of the old school", has confessed to killing a Berlin man who answered an advertisement he had posted on the Internet seeking a fit man "for slaughter."

They met in Meiwes's elegant half-timbered home in the town of Rotenburg, central Germany, in March 2001. Meiwes killed the man, named only as Bernd-Juergen B., with a kitchen knife and filmed the deed on video tape which may be shown at the trial.

Meiwes's lawyer Harald Ermel said it took the victim nearly 10 hours to bleed to death and that he had repeatedly urged Meiwes to keep on cutting him.

Meiwes cut up the body and stored parts in his freezer. "He believes he ate about 20 kilograms and there were about 10 kilograms left over," said Ermel.

"He defrosted it little by little and ate it."

Police arrested Meiwes over a year later, in December 2002, after a tip-off from someone who had spotted another of his adverts on the Internet.

Meiwes is expected to repeat his confession at the trial that will be attended by reporters from all over the world. He is already planning to write his memoirs, his lawyer said.

Meiwes told German newspaper Welt am Sonntag last week: "I am guilty and regret what I did." He said he had eaten his victim because he wanted to make him part of himself, a desire that he had satisfied and that would not recur.

Professor Andreas Marneros, director of the Halle Clinic for Psychiatry and Psychotherapy, said: "This is cannibalism as a sexual perversion, it's a phenomenon that has been known about for centuries. I have examined four such people."

LEGAL DILEMMA

Prosecutors in the city of Kassel say a psychiatric examination found Meiwes is not insane but they added that his victim may have been incapable of rational thought.

So while prosecutors acknowledge the victim said he wanted to die, they are seeking a life sentence on a charge of murder motivated by sexual urges.

Meiwes's lawyer wants him to be convicted of "killing on request", a form of illegal euthanasia which carries a sentence of six months to five years.

The problem, legal experts say, is that Meiwes's victim wanted to be eaten. That could make a murder charge difficult to apply, while the lesser charge of manslaughter carries a term of 15 years or considerably less, after which Meiwes would be free.

Professor Arthur Kreuzer of the Institute for Criminology at Giessen University, said the case might make legal history.

"This is killing undertaken for both killer and victim and cannot be regarded as the worst case of premeditated killing.

"But I don't think it is a killing on request either because it was not an altruistic, but an egoistic deed."

Kreuzer said the case may go as high as the Federal Constitutional Court and that prosecutors may be forced to consult new medical experts to assess Meiwes's mental state.

Meiwes's lawyer has revealed that his client had four other guests in his home, but let them all go.

"There was a teacher, a cook, a hotel employee and a student. He had them hanging from the ceiling head down and they had no chance of freeing themselves. One felt sick, the other didn't want to go on, he let them all down."

Ermel said Meiwes chatted about cannibalism with at least 280 like-minded people on the Internet. In Germany about 200 people on the Internet were offering to be slaughtered, 30 ready to do the slaughtering and 10 to 15 wanting to watch, he said.

Sparky · 12-03-2003, 07:59 AM

What in the fuck is this world coming to?

sailor · 12-03-2003, 08:09 AM

Yeah, thats some pretty crazy stuff. A true sociopath.

Cynthetiq · 12-03-2003, 08:11 AM

everytime I think that books and movies have odd ideas in them, the world serves up things like this... which by the way has been going on from time immemorial we just now have ways of tracking it and disseminating the information much faster.

BentNotTwisted · 12-03-2003, 08:14 AM

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Originally posted by nine
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/031203/325/efi0b.html

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Police arrested Meiwes over a year later, in December 2002, after a tip-off from someone who had spotted another of his adverts on the Internet.

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Meiwes told German newspaper Welt am Sonntag last week: "I am guilty and regret what I did." He said he had eaten his victim because he wanted to make him part of himself, a desire that he had satisfied and that would not recur.

Uh, yeah. I can see how the guy has no intentions of doing it again, especially after posting another advert.

feelgood · 12-03-2003, 08:30 AM

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Originally posted by nine
Meiwes, 42, described by his lawyer as a "gentleman of the old school", has confessed to killing a Berlin man who answered an advertisement he had posted on the Internet seeking a fit man "for slaughter."

Comon, how many fukin idiots would respond to an advertisement that has the word "Slaughter" in it?

Man, I thought tubgirl was bad as it gets...

rocinante2003 · 12-03-2003, 08:38 AM

I just finished reading this story too. There just has to be more to this story. I cant imagine someone would respond to an I wanna eat you add? But then, I consider myself relatively normal lol (no comments please lol)

Kaos · 12-03-2003, 10:50 AM

I can't believe that someone would continue to ask to be cut for 10 HOURS!

GakFace · 12-03-2003, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by feelgood
Comon, how many fukin idiots would respond to an advertisement that has the word "Slaughter" in it?

Well according to this article there are at least 200 people ... (In Germany alone.)

Beltruckus · 12-03-2003, 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by GakFace
Well according to this article there are at least 200 people ... (In Germany alone.)

Good form.

aurigus · 12-03-2003, 11:12 AM

All I have to say is... there are some fucked up people in this world!

kwoodmex · 12-03-2003, 11:26 AM

it never ceases to amaze me the fuct up shit that happens in the world. this is just nutso!

YourNeverThere · 12-03-2003, 01:05 PM

"But I don't think it is a killing on request either because it was not an altruistic, but an egoistic deed."

thats it right there, sure the victim "wanted" to be killed, that might not be right because they said he might not have been rationally thinking, but still, He should not not not be charged with the euthansia-like charge, that one should be reserved for actual euthansia. This was murder, admitted, fair and premeditated. I don't understand how any docter could call him "sane" when HE KILLED AND ATE A MAN AND VIDEO TAPED IT! is the fact escaping the docters? WTF! honestly,

herostar · 12-03-2003, 01:41 PM

Those Germans are weird. That's the grossest thing I've heard all week.

Aphrodite · 12-03-2003, 02:05 PM

I feel sick. *Represses the memory of just reading that story*

Bill O'Rights · 12-03-2003, 02:44 PM

<-----totaly, completely and utterly...speechless...

SabrinaFair · 12-03-2003, 02:50 PM

I'm just waiting for this to be made into a movie.

taliendo · 12-03-2003, 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by Kaos
I can't believe that someone would continue to ask to be cut for 10 HOURS!

I have to say, its a very believable story -- mankind, with there infinite (and sometimes malicious) imagination, is very capable of horrible deeds.

louiedog · 12-03-2003, 06:13 PM

If the "victim" was capable of rational thought and just didn't want to die anymore I honestly don't really care what this guy did. He didn't hurt anyone unwilling. True it's about the sickest thing I've ever heard but like with just about everything, as long as there are no negative effects on anyone not consenting, who cares what people do? Of course like I said this is assuming the victim consented to it which seems a little difficult to believe unless they were in an unfit mental state.

Cherry · 12-04-2003, 03:29 AM

Hrm.

It really makes a person think twice about accepting the compliment "You're so cute, I could just eat you up."

hu-man · 12-04-2003, 05:22 AM

I'm just wondering what kinds of chatrooms these conversations take place in... and how you throw the suggestion in a sentence...

slaughter_guy: Oh, I'm 42 years old, I live in Düsseldorf. I have no wife, but a very lovely dog called Stab. I like long walks in the forest, drinking cognac by the fireplace listening to opera, and butchering other people and eating them. A/S/L?

please_eat_me_now: Oh, that sounds nice... My favourite pastimes are collecting stamps, building model ships, cutting limbs off myself, and I have a deep fantasy about somebody eating me. I'd LOVE to try that sometime. It must feel really good.

aurigus · 12-04-2003, 05:30 AM

slaughter_guy: LOL OMG!!

I wonder how long it will take for SNL to turn this into a skit? Reminds me of the the one with Hannibal Lecter in his College years - that was a good one

opey99 · 12-04-2003, 07:40 AM

that is some seriously sick stuff, I'd hate to be in that courtroom if they showed the video, I'm thinking it would likely be a vomitorium!

krwlz · 12-04-2003, 07:56 AM

That is disgusting and perverted... moraly. But legaly, the man wanted to be killed. How can you really bring him up on homacide? As disgusting as it is, he should be brought up on the charges of either man slaughter or killing on request.

You can't simply adjust the laws, or else the laws are worthless.

LewisCouch · 12-04-2003, 07:58 AM

No home is complete without a slaughter room. I have mine right next to the Vlad the Impaler shrine.

wannabenakid247 · 12-04-2003, 10:11 AM

Not sure if this has already been posted as search function is out.

How wierd is this though?

A German man who confessed to killing and eating a man he met through a website for cannibals has been charged with murder, prosecutors have said.
The 41-year-old suspect, identified as Armin M, is alleged to have killed the 43-year-old victim in March 2001 in the town of Rotenburg in central Germany, after meeting him through the site.

He then carved up and froze portions of the man's flesh, later eating some of it, prosecutors allege.

The crime was apparently carried out with the victim's full consent, however state prosecutor Hans-Manfred Jung told French news agency AFP that the victim's supposed "death wish" did not change the fact that the killer had wanted to commit murder.

The suspect's arrest in December last year caused a sensation in Germany, as the country's tabloids competed to report the most grisly details of the case.

'Sexual enjoyment'

The suspect and victim met in early 2001, after Armin M is said to have posted a personal ad on several websites and in chatrooms asking for "young, well-built men aged 18 to 30 to slaughter", the German daily newspaper Bild reported at the time of his arrest.

The victim was a 43-year-old Berlin computer technician who had sold his car, written a will and taken the day off work to sort out what he called a "personal" matter.

He then went to Armin M's home, where the pair reportedly agreed to cut off his penis.

The victim was then allegedly stabbed to death - still apparently with his approval - and cut into pieces.

The whole incident was filmed on videotape, and prosecutors say that the whole crime was committed for the purpose of sexual enjoyment.

Authorities were tipped off by internet surfers who found the requests on various sites.

Mr Jung said there was no evidence that Armin M had been involved in further cases, however several people with whom he had been in contact on the internet are still under investigation.

A date for the trial has yet to be set.

water_boy1999 · 12-04-2003, 10:35 AM

OMG!!!! This is just sick!!! I am really at a loss for words and that is difficult to do.

rogue49 · 12-04-2003, 11:19 AM

Evil is alive and well.

Sorry, even if someone gives you permission
stabbing them to death and then eating them is not permissible.
The semantics not withstanding.
You can prosecute a person for taking advantage of those not mentally capable.
(children, mentally disabled, depressed, etc.)
This is murder of the 1st degree. (planned & intentional)

Get rid of him, and we can move on the more productive things.
Once you have done this, you have given up your rights to life.

mortius · 12-04-2003, 11:56 AM

that's pretty damn nasty. Not sure what's worse, wanting someone to cut off your member, wanting someone to eat you or eating someone.

*shudder*

12-03-2003, 07:15 AM	#1 (permalink)
nine Crazy Location: Doesn't matter - you wouldn't want to be here	It doesn't get stranger than this http://uk.news.yahoo.com/031203/325/efi0b.html BERLIN (Reuters) - The trial of Armin Meiwes, the German computer expert who gained worldwide notoriety by killing and eating a willing victim, is to begin, in a case of sexually inspired cannibalism so perplexing it could make legal history. Meiwes, 42, described by his lawyer as a "gentleman of the old school", has confessed to killing a Berlin man who answered an advertisement he had posted on the Internet seeking a fit man "for slaughter." They met in Meiwes's elegant half-timbered home in the town of Rotenburg, central Germany, in March 2001. Meiwes killed the man, named only as Bernd-Juergen B., with a kitchen knife and filmed the deed on video tape which may be shown at the trial. Meiwes's lawyer Harald Ermel said it took the victim nearly 10 hours to bleed to death and that he had repeatedly urged Meiwes to keep on cutting him. Meiwes cut up the body and stored parts in his freezer. "He believes he ate about 20 kilograms and there were about 10 kilograms left over," said Ermel. "He defrosted it little by little and ate it." Police arrested Meiwes over a year later, in December 2002, after a tip-off from someone who had spotted another of his adverts on the Internet. Meiwes is expected to repeat his confession at the trial that will be attended by reporters from all over the world. He is already planning to write his memoirs, his lawyer said. Meiwes told German newspaper Welt am Sonntag last week: "I am guilty and regret what I did." He said he had eaten his victim because he wanted to make him part of himself, a desire that he had satisfied and that would not recur. Professor Andreas Marneros, director of the Halle Clinic for Psychiatry and Psychotherapy, said: "This is cannibalism as a sexual perversion, it's a phenomenon that has been known about for centuries. I have examined four such people." LEGAL DILEMMA Prosecutors in the city of Kassel say a psychiatric examination found Meiwes is not insane but they added that his victim may have been incapable of rational thought. So while prosecutors acknowledge the victim said he wanted to die, they are seeking a life sentence on a charge of murder motivated by sexual urges. Meiwes's lawyer wants him to be convicted of "killing on request", a form of illegal euthanasia which carries a sentence of six months to five years. The problem, legal experts say, is that Meiwes's victim wanted to be eaten. That could make a murder charge difficult to apply, while the lesser charge of manslaughter carries a term of 15 years or considerably less, after which Meiwes would be free. Professor Arthur Kreuzer of the Institute for Criminology at Giessen University, said the case might make legal history. "This is killing undertaken for both killer and victim and cannot be regarded as the worst case of premeditated killing. "But I don't think it is a killing on request either because it was not an altruistic, but an egoistic deed." Kreuzer said the case may go as high as the Federal Constitutional Court and that prosecutors may be forced to consult new medical experts to assess Meiwes's mental state. Meiwes's lawyer has revealed that his client had four other guests in his home, but let them all go. "There was a teacher, a cook, a hotel employee and a student. He had them hanging from the ceiling head down and they had no chance of freeing themselves. One felt sick, the other didn't want to go on, he let them all down." Ermel said Meiwes chatted about cannibalism with at least 280 like-minded people on the Internet. In Germany about 200 people on the Internet were offering to be slaughtered, 30 ready to do the slaughtering and 10 to 15 wanting to watch, he said.

12-03-2003, 07:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
Sparky Crazy	What in the fuck is this world coming to? __________________ "I had never really thought about it before," Det. Dern said. "But obviously, giving an elephant an enema can be a very dangerous activity and not something that should be attempted alone."

12-03-2003, 08:09 AM	#3 (permalink)
sailor beauty in the breakdown Location: Chapel Hill, NC	Yeah, thats some pretty crazy stuff. A true sociopath. __________________ "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." --Plato

12-03-2003, 08:11 AM	#4 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	everytime I think that books and movies have odd ideas in them, the world serves up things like this... which by the way has been going on from time immemorial we just now have ways of tracking it and disseminating the information much faster. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

12-03-2003, 01:05 PM	#13 (permalink)
YourNeverThere Practical Anarchist Location: Yesterday i woke up stuck in hollywood	"But I don't think it is a killing on request either because it was not an altruistic, but an egoistic deed." thats it right there, sure the victim "wanted" to be killed, that might not be right because they said he might not have been rationally thinking, but still, He should not not not be charged with the euthansia-like charge, that one should be reserved for actual euthansia. This was murder, admitted, fair and premeditated. I don't understand how any docter could call him "sane" when HE KILLED AND ATE A MAN AND VIDEO TAPED IT! is the fact escaping the docters? WTF! honestly, __________________ The Above post is a direct quote from Shakespeare

12-03-2003, 08:38 AM	#7 (permalink)
rocinante2003 Insane Location: Dallas	I just finished reading this story too. There just has to be more to this story. I cant imagine someone would respond to an I wanna eat you add? But then, I consider myself relatively normal lol (no comments please lol)

12-03-2003, 10:50 AM	#8 (permalink)
Kaos Ssssssssss Location: Ontario	I can't believe that someone would continue to ask to be cut for 10 HOURS!

12-03-2003, 11:12 AM	#11 (permalink)
aurigus Insane	All I have to say is... there are some fucked up people in this world!

12-03-2003, 11:26 AM	#12 (permalink)
kwoodmex Crazy	it never ceases to amaze me the fuct up shit that happens in the world. this is just nutso!

12-03-2003, 01:41 PM	#14 (permalink)
herostar Psycho Location: South Dakota	Those Germans are weird. That's the grossest thing I've heard all week. __________________ Got time to chill?

12-03-2003, 02:05 PM	#15 (permalink)
Aphrodite Tilted Location: Lost in the pages of a book full of death	I feel sick. Represses the memory of just reading that story

12-03-2003, 02:44 PM	#16 (permalink)
Bill O'Rights will always be an Alyson Hanniganite Location: In the dust of the archives	<-----totaly, completely and utterly...speechless... __________________ "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony "Hedonism with rules isn't hedonism at all, it's the Republican party." - JumpinJesus It is indisputable that true beauty lies within...but a nice rack sure doesn't hurt.

12-03-2003, 02:50 PM	#17 (permalink)
SabrinaFair Junkie Location: Louisville, KY	I'm just waiting for this to be made into a movie. __________________ "With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy." -Desiderata

12-03-2003, 06:13 PM	#19 (permalink)
louiedog Crazy	If the "victim" was capable of rational thought and just didn't want to die anymore I honestly don't really care what this guy did. He didn't hurt anyone unwilling. True it's about the sickest thing I've ever heard but like with just about everything, as long as there are no negative effects on anyone not consenting, who cares what people do? Of course like I said this is assuming the victim consented to it which seems a little difficult to believe unless they were in an unfit mental state.

12-04-2003, 03:29 AM	#20 (permalink)
Cherry Tilted Location: Yonder	Hrm. It really makes a person think twice about accepting the compliment "You're so cute, I could just eat you up." __________________ In walked a man in the shape of a man, holding a hat shaped hat...

12-04-2003, 05:22 AM	#21 (permalink)
hu-man The one that got away Location: Over the hill and far away	I'm just wondering what kinds of chatrooms these conversations take place in... and how you throw the suggestion in a sentence... slaughter_guy: Oh, I'm 42 years old, I live in Düsseldorf. I have no wife, but a very lovely dog called Stab. I like long walks in the forest, drinking cognac by the fireplace listening to opera, and butchering other people and eating them. A/S/L? please_eat_me_now: Oh, that sounds nice... My favourite pastimes are collecting stamps, building model ships, cutting limbs off myself, and I have a deep fantasy about somebody eating me. I'd LOVE to try that sometime. It must feel really good.

12-04-2003, 05:30 AM	#22 (permalink)
aurigus Insane	slaughter_guy: LOL OMG!! I wonder how long it will take for SNL to turn this into a skit? Reminds me of the the one with Hannibal Lecter in his College years - that was a good one

12-04-2003, 07:40 AM	#23 (permalink)
opey99 Junkie	that is some seriously sick stuff, I'd hate to be in that courtroom if they showed the video, I'm thinking it would likely be a vomitorium! __________________ name's Bramage, Dain Bramage

12-04-2003, 07:56 AM	#24 (permalink)
krwlz Fledgling Dead Head Location: Clarkson U.	That is disgusting and perverted... moraly. But legaly, the man wanted to be killed. How can you really bring him up on homacide? As disgusting as it is, he should be brought up on the charges of either man slaughter or killing on request. You can't simply adjust the laws, or else the laws are worthless.

12-04-2003, 07:58 AM	#25 (permalink)
LewisCouch Insane Location: Pacific NW	No home is complete without a slaughter room. I have mine right next to the Vlad the Impaler shrine. __________________ "The gift of liberty is like that of a horse, handsome, strong, and high-spirited. In some it arouses a wish to ride; in many others, on the contrary, it increases the desire to walk." -- Massimo d'Azeglio

12-04-2003, 10:11 AM	#26 (permalink)
wannabenakid247 Registered User Location: Wales, UK	German Canibalism Case Not sure if this has already been posted as search function is out. How wierd is this though? A German man who confessed to killing and eating a man he met through a website for cannibals has been charged with murder, prosecutors have said. The 41-year-old suspect, identified as Armin M, is alleged to have killed the 43-year-old victim in March 2001 in the town of Rotenburg in central Germany, after meeting him through the site. He then carved up and froze portions of the man's flesh, later eating some of it, prosecutors allege. The crime was apparently carried out with the victim's full consent, however state prosecutor Hans-Manfred Jung told French news agency AFP that the victim's supposed "death wish" did not change the fact that the killer had wanted to commit murder. The suspect's arrest in December last year caused a sensation in Germany, as the country's tabloids competed to report the most grisly details of the case. 'Sexual enjoyment' The suspect and victim met in early 2001, after Armin M is said to have posted a personal ad on several websites and in chatrooms asking for "young, well-built men aged 18 to 30 to slaughter", the German daily newspaper Bild reported at the time of his arrest. The victim was a 43-year-old Berlin computer technician who had sold his car, written a will and taken the day off work to sort out what he called a "personal" matter. He then went to Armin M's home, where the pair reportedly agreed to cut off his penis. The victim was then allegedly stabbed to death - still apparently with his approval - and cut into pieces. The whole incident was filmed on videotape, and prosecutors say that the whole crime was committed for the purpose of sexual enjoyment. Authorities were tipped off by internet surfers who found the requests on various sites. Mr Jung said there was no evidence that Armin M had been involved in further cases, however several people with whom he had been in contact on the internet are still under investigation. A date for the trial has yet to be set.

12-04-2003, 10:35 AM	#27 (permalink)
water_boy1999 Fly em straight! Location: Above and Beyond	OMG!!!! This is just sick!!! I am really at a loss for words and that is difficult to do. __________________ Doh!!!! -Homer Simpson

12-04-2003, 11:19 AM	#28 (permalink)
rogue49 Loser	Evil is alive and well. Sorry, even if someone gives you permission stabbing them to death and then eating them is not permissible. The semantics not withstanding. You can prosecute a person for taking advantage of those not mentally capable. (children, mentally disabled, depressed, etc.) This is murder of the 1st degree. (planned & intentional) Get rid of him, and we can move on the more productive things. Once you have done this, you have given up your rights to life.

12-04-2003, 11:56 AM	#29 (permalink)
mortius Tilted Location: Houston, Tx	that's pretty damn nasty. Not sure what's worse, wanting someone to cut off your member, wanting someone to eat you or eating someone. shudder __________________ What's Your Addiction?