Teen girls charged with molesting nursing home patients. - Page 4 - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Borla · 12-05-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

There are NO reports of injuries suffered
There is ONE instance of a CLAIM made that someone had a finger slipped up their bum. The rest of the claims amount to little more than horsing around. (ie - patting the guy on the butt, laying in bed next to him, splooshing water at him, etc)
The men have not been physically harmed, and the sum of the complaint is that these old men, who are gravely ill and have probably had very little sexual activity in a great time have been exposed to sexualised horseplay by a bunch of pretty teenage girls.
I dont say this in a flippant way, but as I stand now, if you would tell me that at 90 when I was on my last legs and vulnerable, a 19 year old nurse would dry hump me - I would NOT complain. If I knew a male relative of mine was exposed to this, I would NOT complain on his behalf. Whether you want to admit it or not, most people in the world feel the same way.

If you read the police report, you discover that as many or more victims were women than men. Many of the women had their breasts poked in a manner to inflict pain, or the girls spit phlegm into their mouths than held their mouths shut so they couldn't scream. But alas, why let facts cloud the argument.

SecretMethod70 · 12-05-2008, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Borla

If you read the police report, you discover that as many or more victims were women than men. Many of the women had their breasts poked in a manner to inflict pain, or the girls spit phlegm into their mouths than held their mouths shut so they couldn't scream. But alas, why let facts cloud the argument.

LIES! Women are too pure to commit such acts!

Willravel · 12-05-2008, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr

will: the stats were for men who were forcibly raped. granted they may not have been all by women but about 10% were.

So forcibly raped by women, the stats go from 1 in 33 to 1 in 330? That's a serious difference. And even that statistic stinks to high heaven.

I'd guess I've known about 900 men in my life. Statistically, then, abut 3 of those men have forcibly been raped by a woman? There are about 600,000 men in San Jose. Statistically, then, at least 1800 San Jose men have been raped by a woman? Forgive me, but without rather serious verifiable statistics, this seems like nonsense. And since verifiable statistics on male rape really don't exist yet, I'm afraid I have to call BS.

Strange Famous · 12-05-2008, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosstbyte

You respond to my simple question with, again, an assertion that baseline differences in the way that the sexes function and interact justifies the difference between a lost job, suspended jail sentence and a small fine and 25+ years in prison with a permanent record as a sex offender. And that's ok with you?

The actions would be identical, and yet one person essentially gets off and the other spends the rest of his life dealing with the consequences of actions. Systems of justice are fundamentally premise on the assumption that everyone is equal and that everyone who is guilty of a crime should receive roughly the same sentence. A legal system ought to punish an act, regardless of who the actor is, assuming the actor is found guilty. A legal system with completely different responses to the same actions due to race or sex or creed or sexual orientation is corrupt to its core, because then you're punishing the actor and not the action, in which case it is no longer a fair system, but an arbitrary system, which cannot guide people in how they should act.

A legal system exists in fact to provide security for the people. If our prisons are even 1% female in terms of their population we have failed deeply as a society.

Frosstbyte · 12-05-2008, 03:38 PM

On the contrary, legal systems exist so people know what they can and can't do. Judicial systems exist to punish people that don't follow the legal system. When the judicial system arbitrarily interprets a legal system on the basis of something like race or gender (so that sticking a finger in an ass is horseplay in one instance and sexual assault in another), it fundamentally undermines the legal system, because then the legal system no longer tells you what you're allowed to do.

Strange Famous · 12-05-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Borla

If you read the police report, you discover that as many or more victims were women than men. Many of the women had their breasts poked in a manner to inflict pain, or the girls spit phlegm into their mouths than held their mouths shut so they couldn't scream. But alas, why let facts cloud the argument.

There are no reliable reports that I have seen that any of the residents involved were female. If this was true, it would be a different matter.

Frosstbyte · 12-05-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Willravel

So forcibly raped by women, the stats go from 1 in 33 to 1 in 330? That's a serious difference. And even that statistic stinks to high heaven.

I'd guess I've known about 900 men in my life. Statistically, then, abut 3 of those men have forcibly been raped by a woman? There are about 600,000 men in San Jose. Statistically, then, at least 1800 San Jose men have been raped by a woman? Forgive me, but without rather serious verifiable statistics, this seems like nonsense. And since verifiable statistics on male rape really don't exist yet, I'm afraid I have to call BS.

UCSC Rape Prevention Education: Rape Statistics

I can't make any promises how reliable those numbers are. Certainly it supports the notion that the vast majority of sexual crimes are by men against either women or men.

The point of this conversation centers around the fact that SF seems to claim that women writ large are incapable of sexual assaulting a man and that it has never happened, period, which means that what these girls did could not be anything other than horsing around. Even if only one man has ever been sexually assaulted by a woman, it would disprove that assertion, and there is no doubt that it has happened, albeit rarely.

Borla · 12-05-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

There are no reliable reports that I have seen that any of the residents involved were female. If this was true, it would be a different matter.

The entire police report is available on smokinggun.com. If you take the time to read the entire report, they refer to every victim by their initials. However, they use either "her" or "him" to refer to the victims after mentioning the initials, thus advertising the sex of the victim. At least half (I think more, but I didn't literally count each one) are women.

Is poking women in their genitals and breasts, leghumping them in a bed while holding a hand over their mouth so they cannot scream, or spitting phlegm in their mouths than holding their mouths shut ok in your book?

Or are you merely continuing to restate a rediculous opinion to play devil's advocate and/or try to stir people up?

Willravel · 12-05-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosstbyte

UCSC Rape Prevention Education: Rape Statistics

I can't make any promises how reliable those numbers are. Certainly it supports the notion that the vast majority of sexual crimes are by men against either women or men.

I appreciate the citation. It seems by these statistics that a man being raped by a woman is exceedingly rare, which is what I expected.

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Originally Posted by Frosstbyte

The point of this conversation centers around the fact that SF seems to claim that women writ large are incapable of sexual assaulting a man and that it has never happened, period, which means that what these girls did could not be anything other than horsing around. Even if only one man has ever been sexually assaulted by a woman, it would disprove that assertion, and there is no doubt that it has happened, albeit rarely.

I didn't intend to argue that point at all. What those young women did was sexual abuse and it was criminal.

Frosstbyte · 12-05-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Willravel

I appreciate the citation. It seems by these statistics that a man being raped by a woman is exceedingly rare, which is what I expected.

I didn't intend to argue that point at all. What those young women did was sexual abuse and it was criminal.

Oh yeah, I wasn't accusing you of defending them or making that assertion, I intended to put into context why the issue of female on male rape, rare though it is, is on the table at all, which is because SF is making that argument. Sorry if that were unclear.

SecretMethod70 · 12-05-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Willravel

So forcibly raped by women, the stats go from 1 in 33 to 1 in 330? That's a serious difference. And even that statistic stinks to high heaven.

I'd guess I've known about 900 men in my life. Statistically, then, abut 3 of those men have forcibly been raped by a woman? There are about 600,000 men in San Jose. Statistically, then, at least 1800 San Jose men have been raped by a woman? Forgive me, but without rather serious verifiable statistics, this seems like nonsense. And since verifiable statistics on male rape really don't exist yet, I'm afraid I have to call BS.

The issue isn't whether or not it happens as frequently as male->female rape, the issue is whether it is not in the realm of "reality," as Strange Famous claims. Clearly, women are not the docile, innocent creatures Strange Famous would like them to be.

Strange Famous · 12-05-2008, 04:02 PM

I just read the TSG article and if that kind of "he said, she said" stuff constitutes reality or evidence for a criminal prosecution to some people I dont know what to say. No evidence, no facts, simply stating gossip as fact. Is this whole case a joke?

Baraka_Guru · 12-05-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

A legal system exists in fact to provide security for the people. If our prisons are even 1% female in terms of their population we have failed deeply as a society.

In the U.S., it's around 7%. Female Prison Population Hits Record But men are still 15 times more likely to be incarcerated. Recent stats show that women are increasingly committing more crimes. Maybe it has something to do with women's lib. over the past 40 years. I don't want to speculate.

But the bottom line is, if you do the crime, you do the time. Women should not be excluded from this--not even pretty teenagers.

Strange Famous · 12-05-2008, 04:08 PM

Sorry, all the people who are commenting on this thread need to check the police report listed on the smoking gun... there is nothing here., nothing at all I admit I got sucked into it and was treating reported statements as facts as well as everyone else, but if you read the actual police statement its a complete joke with no actual evidence that any of this happened... this is a non story of pure fantasy and malicious teen gossip. It is pitiful that they can find a prosecutor willing to pick up such a weak case. I feel embarassed I even got involved in a discussion about things that didnt happen.

mrklixx · 12-05-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

I just read the TSG article and if that kind of "he said, she said" stuff constitutes reality or evidence for a criminal prosecution to some people I dont know what to say. No evidence, no facts, simply stating gossip as fact. Is this whole case a joke?

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

Sorry, all the people who are commenting on this thread need to check the police report listed on the smoking gun... there is nothing here., nothing at all I admit I got sucked into it and was treating reported statements as facts as well as everyone else, but if you read the actual police statement its a complete joke with no actual evidence that any of this happened... this is a non story of pure fantasy and malicious teen gossip. It is pitiful that they can find a prosecutor willing to pick up such a weak case. I feel embarassed I even got involved in a discussion about things that didnt happen.

Obviously you did not read the police report slowly or thoroughly, because a) there is photographic and video evidence, and b) the majority of the "she said" portion of it was the girls confessing to doing the acts.

Borla · 12-05-2008, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

Sorry, all the people who are commenting on this thread need to check the police report listed on the smoking gun... there is nothing here., nothing at all I admit I got sucked into it and was treating reported statements as facts as well as everyone else, but if you read the actual police statement its a complete joke with no actual evidence that any of this happened... this is a non story of pure fantasy and malicious teen gossip. It is pitiful that they can find a prosecutor willing to pick up such a weak case. I feel embarassed I even got involved in a discussion about things that didnt happen.

Exactly, no judge will ever allow a defendant's open and willing confession along with pictures and videos of the crimes being committed to stand up in court.

Cynthetiq · 12-05-2008, 04:29 PM

he's going to make a good DA.

"Well, yes, their confession is just hearsay, gossip, I say. Just plain old gossip. You know what you are? You're a hoot, that's what you are."

Willravel · 12-05-2008, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SecretMethod70

The issue isn't whether or not it happens as frequently as male->female rape, the issue is whether it is not in the realm of "reality," as Strange Famous claims. Clearly, women are not the docile, innocent creatures Strange Famous would like them to be.

The issue was exactly that because that's what I was talking about. I wasn't involving myself in the back and fourth between you and Strange Famous. I saw something that looked wrong and addressed it.

Cases of women raping men being exceedingly rare actually does have a great deal to do with this situation, though.

Let's take on these claims one at a time, objectively.

Spitting water at someone: irresponsible? Yes. Childish? Yes. Criminally negligent? Of course not.

Lying in bed with a resident: this depends on the circumstances. Could it be that there was a situation where lying in a bed was bad? Absolutely. Still, they could also have been a case where a 110 lb. 18 year old girl had just lifted a 200 lb. man into bed and she had to get off her feet and take a few breaths. We simply don't know.

The buttock issue: Have you ever worked at a nursing home? One of my best friends did. People she worked with bathed the elderly people there. That means washing them in what would normally be inappropriate places. Does that mean sticking a finger in someone's bum? Probably not. Does that mean cleaning up after someone that's had an accident? Absolutely.

Antagonizing? Hell, I antagonize people here regularly. That's a normal part of human interaction; people aren't always going to have perfect manners.

Humping a resident: I still don't know what this means. Was the police report written by a 6 year old? Are we talking about grinding or are we just talking about a hip thrust in the air?

Putting a hand over a resident's mouth: my grandfather had Alzheimer's. Towards the end, he would be living in his memories, and some of those memories were of the war. And he cried out. Now imagine someone crying out in a retirement or convalescent home. Wouldn't that cause a ton of problems? Of course.

It seems silly to me that we've got over a hundred posts, but we still really don't have a clue about what happened in that place. Could what they did be criminally negligent? Absolutely. Might there also be good explanations? Of course there are and anyone that denies that point is just being antagonistic that should be arrested.

uncle phil · 12-05-2008, 04:34 PM

i've read four pages of this crap...

is anyone ready to close this absolutely ridiculous thread?

Borla · 12-05-2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Willravel

The issue was exactly that because that's what I was talking about. I wasn't involving myself in the back and fourth between you and Strange Famous. I saw something that looked wrong and addressed it.

Cases of women raping men being exceedingly rare actually does have a great deal to do with this situation, though.

Let's take on these claims one at a time, objectively.

Spitting water at someone: irresponsible? Yes. Childish? Yes. Criminally negligent? Of course not.

Lying in bed with a resident: this depends on the circumstances. Could it be that there was a situation where lying in a bed was bad? Absolutely. Still, they could also have been a case where a 110 lb. 18 year old girl had just lifted a 200 lb. man into bed and she had to get off her feet and take a few breaths. We simply don't know.

The buttock issue: Have you ever worked at a nursing home? One of my best friends did. People she worked with bathed the elderly people there. That means washing them in what would normally be inappropriate places. Does that mean sticking a finger in someone's bum? Probably not. Does that mean cleaning up after someone that's had an accident? Absolutely.

Antagonizing? Hell, I antagonize people here regularly. That's a normal part of human interaction; people aren't always going to have perfect manners.

Humping a resident: I still don't know what this means. Was the police report written by a 6 year old? Are we talking about grinding or are we just talking about a hip thrust in the air?

Putting a hand over a resident's mouth: my grandfather had Alzheimer's. Towards the end, he would be living in his memories, and some of those memories were of the war. And he cried out. Now imagine someone crying out in a retirement or convalescent home. Wouldn't that cause a ton of problems? Of course.

It seems silly to me that we've got over a hundred posts, but we still really don't have a clue about what happened in that place. Could what they did be criminally negligent? Absolutely. Might there also be good explanations? Of course there are and anyone that denies that point is just being antagonistic that should be arrested.

The fact that, according to the confessions detailed in the police report, the girls admitted to purposefully carrying out those actions to arouse, make angry, hurt, and/or humiliate, kind of takes away the "good explanation" theory.

highthief · 12-05-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by uncle phil

i've read four pages of this crap...

is anyone ready to close this absolutely ridiculous thread?

I thought it was ready for the Hall of Fame, myself.

Baraka_Guru · 12-05-2008, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Willravel

Spitting water at someone: irresponsible? Yes. Childish? Yes. Criminally negligent? Of course not.

I'll repeat: spitting is assault. The allegation is that she spit water into the mouth of the patient. I also read that she "hocked a loogie." Either way, it's assault.

Willravel · 12-05-2008, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru

I'll repeat: spitting is assault.

I believe the term is "wrongful touching", but it's only assault when intent can be demonstrated.

Zoolady · 12-05-2008, 05:55 PM

Does anyone wonder if the fact that these girls are pretty little cheerleaders has led to them feeling invulnerable? What kind of spoiled brats would be so heartless as to molest helpless people? What would be an appropriate punishment?

Tully Mars · 12-05-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by highthief

I thought it was ready for the Hall of Fame, myself.

I basically just got home from dinner with a friend. So it could be the alcohol talking here but I just read through the whole thread, start to finish. I'm not ready to vote for moving it to the hall of fame. But I'd seriously consider "nonsense."

Seriously have a couple drinks and go back and start from #1- if you're not laughing your ass off by page three then you sir have no sense of humor.

mixedmedia · 12-05-2008, 07:36 PM

oh, gee, more assholes. what a surprise.

kumbaya, my lord, kumba-fucking-ya.

Willravel · 12-05-2008, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mixedmedia

oh, gee, more assholes. what a surprise.

mixedmedia · 12-05-2008, 08:32 PM

what's so confusing?

Maybe it's just me, but I think anyone who makes entertainment out of fucking with old people in a retirement home, to whatever extent, is an asshole.

Hence, my expression of regret, really.

mrklixx · 12-05-2008, 08:42 PM

For those saying that spitting is not assault, walk up to a cop and spit on them and see what that gets you.

Willravel · 12-05-2008, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mixedmedia

what's so confusing?

I'm not used to women being referred to as assholes. That's generally a title for men from my experience.

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Originally Posted by mrklixx

For those saying that spitting is not assault, walk up to a cop and spit on them and see what that gets you.

Different rules apply to police officers. If you don't believe me, call one a fucker.

Glory's Sun · 12-05-2008, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Willravel

I'm not used to women being referred to as assholes. That's generally a title for men from my experience.

so now only certain words are good enough for men and others for women?

I call women assholes all the time..and men bitches all the time..

perhaps that's not where you were going with that.. so I'll let you chime in before that goes any farther.

you can call a cop a fucker if you want. they can't arrest you for it.

mixedmedia · 12-05-2008, 08:54 PM

asshole is very useful term in my personal vernacular. It can be used to describe the behavior of anyone. Sorry if you thought I was referring to you or anyone else on the thread.

Willravel · 12-05-2008, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr

so now only certain words are good enough for men and others for women?

I call women assholes all the time..and men bitches all the time..

perhaps that's not where you were going with that.. so I'll let you chime in before that goes any farther.

I've simply not, in my experience, heard women called assholes. Generally the term for a woman asshole has always been bitch with people I'm around. It's not some message about how women are better than men.

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Originally Posted by guccilvr

you can call a cop a fucker if you want. they can't arrest you for it.

Disorderly conduct is a misdemeanor.

SecretMethod70 · 12-06-2008, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Willravel

I believe the term is "wrongful touching", but it's only assault when intent can be demonstrated.

And the girls confessing their intent isn't good enough for you?

It's pretty sick that not even the girls confessing and describing these acts in such a manner that makes them highly illegal is not enough for some people to see that they've done anything wrong.

pig · 12-06-2008, 07:56 AM

See y'all in another thread. I think this one is about wrapped up, personally. Pretty much everyone disagrees with strange, and his position is so riddled with logical inconsistency that it's fairly impossible to imagine how one might find common ground - so why try? I don't mean that as an insult to you strange - but seriously. People with vaginas are inherently not violent and thus shouldn't be charged with violent crime with appropriate sentences, people with penises are and should. Thanks, but no thanks. The middle ages left the station ~700 years ago.

edit: rewording for clarity

SecretMethod70 · 12-06-2008, 08:00 AM

I think that image is an appropriate note on which to close this thread.

uncle phil · 01-23-2009, 08:00 AM

this just in:

Teens Arraigned For Elderly Abuse - January 22, 2009

12-05-2008, 04:02 PM	#132 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	I just read the TSG article and if that kind of "he said, she said" stuff constitutes reality or evidence for a criminal prosecution to some people I dont know what to say. No evidence, no facts, simply stating gossip as fact. Is this whole case a joke? __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

12-05-2008, 04:08 PM	#134 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	Sorry, all the people who are commenting on this thread need to check the police report listed on the smoking gun... there is nothing here., nothing at all I admit I got sucked into it and was treating reported statements as facts as well as everyone else, but if you read the actual police statement its a complete joke with no actual evidence that any of this happened... this is a non story of pure fantasy and malicious teen gossip. It is pitiful that they can find a prosecutor willing to pick up such a weak case. I feel embarassed I even got involved in a discussion about things that didnt happen. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

12-05-2008, 04:29 PM	#137 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	he's going to make a good DA. "Well, yes, their confession is just hearsay, gossip, I say. Just plain old gossip. You know what you are? You're a hoot, that's what you are." __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

12-05-2008, 04:34 PM	#139 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	i've read four pages of this crap... is anyone ready to close this absolutely ridiculous thread? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

12-05-2008, 07:36 PM	#146 (permalink)
mixedmedia has all her shots. Location: Florida	oh, gee, more assholes. what a surprise. kumbaya, my lord, kumba-fucking-ya. __________________ Most people go through life dreading they'll have a traumatic experience. Freaks were born with their trauma. They've already passed their test in life. They're aristocrats. - Diane Arbus PESSIMISM, n. A philosophy forced upon the convictions of the observer by the disheartening prevalence of the optimist with his scarecrow hope and his unsightly smile. - Ambrose Bierce

12-05-2008, 03:38 PM	#125 (permalink)
Frosstbyte Winter is Coming Location: The North	On the contrary, legal systems exist so people know what they can and can't do. Judicial systems exist to punish people that don't follow the legal system. When the judicial system arbitrarily interprets a legal system on the basis of something like race or gender (so that sticking a finger in an ass is horseplay in one instance and sexual assault in another), it fundamentally undermines the legal system, because then the legal system no longer tells you what you're allowed to do.

12-05-2008, 05:55 PM	#144 (permalink)
Zoolady Upright Location: So. Calif.	Does anyone wonder if the fact that these girls are pretty little cheerleaders has led to them feeling invulnerable? What kind of spoiled brats would be so heartless as to molest helpless people? What would be an appropriate punishment?

12-05-2008, 08:32 PM	#148 (permalink)
mixedmedia has all her shots. Location: Florida	what's so confusing? Maybe it's just me, but I think anyone who makes entertainment out of fucking with old people in a retirement home, to whatever extent, is an asshole. Hence, my expression of regret, really. __________________ Most people go through life dreading they'll have a traumatic experience. Freaks were born with their trauma. They've already passed their test in life. They're aristocrats. - Diane Arbus PESSIMISM, n. A philosophy forced upon the convictions of the observer by the disheartening prevalence of the optimist with his scarecrow hope and his unsightly smile. - Ambrose Bierce Last edited by mixedmedia; 12-05-2008 at 08:33 PM.. Reason: i took something out...comes across as too bitter, but, pft

12-05-2008, 08:42 PM	#149 (permalink)
mrklixx President Rick Location: location location	For those saying that spitting is not assault, walk up to a cop and spit on them and see what that gets you. __________________ This post is content. If you don't like it then you are not content. Or perhaps just incontinent. This is not a link - Do not click here I hate animated avatars.

12-05-2008, 08:54 PM	#152 (permalink)
mixedmedia has all her shots. Location: Florida	asshole is very useful term in my personal vernacular. It can be used to describe the behavior of anyone. Sorry if you thought I was referring to you or anyone else on the thread. __________________ Most people go through life dreading they'll have a traumatic experience. Freaks were born with their trauma. They've already passed their test in life. They're aristocrats. - Diane Arbus PESSIMISM, n. A philosophy forced upon the convictions of the observer by the disheartening prevalence of the optimist with his scarecrow hope and his unsightly smile. - Ambrose Bierce

12-06-2008, 07:56 AM	#155 (permalink)
pig pigglet pigglet Location: Locash	See y'all in another thread. I think this one is about wrapped up, personally. Pretty much everyone disagrees with strange, and his position is so riddled with logical inconsistency that it's fairly impossible to imagine how one might find common ground - so why try? I don't mean that as an insult to you strange - but seriously. People with vaginas are inherently not violent and thus shouldn't be charged with violent crime with appropriate sentences, people with penises are and should. Thanks, but no thanks. The middle ages left the station ~700 years ago. edit: rewording for clarity __________________ You don't love me, you just love my piggy style

12-06-2008, 08:00 AM	#156 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	I think that image is an appropriate note on which to close this thread. __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

01-23-2009, 08:00 AM	#157 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	this just in: Teens Arraigned For Elderly Abuse - January 22, 2009 __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.