Glock .40 Auto - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Mind_Storm · 09-24-2003, 04:26 PM

Ain't it cool

http://www.fss-g.com/fss-g.mpeg

gump · 10-02-2003, 05:52 PM

sweet ... i know its a ammo waster but dang that'd be fun to shoot. i wonder if its got a selector switch from full auto to semi?

biznotch · 10-04-2003, 06:19 PM

sweeeeet, I wish i saw the pic of the gun itself to see the grip

soopadoopa · 10-04-2003, 08:12 PM

Damn now that's a pocket of rock and roll!!!!!!

Stare At The Sun · 10-05-2003, 08:12 PM

how much does one of those run?
cost wise

thumbs · 10-06-2003, 07:59 AM

wow, all i can say is wow

G5_Todd · 10-06-2003, 11:35 AM

omg so neat.....so inaccurate

telekinetic2 · 10-06-2003, 02:03 PM

"The FIRE SELECTOR SYSTEM for Glock Pistols is a state of the art product developed by the firearms inventor Jorge A. Leon in 1987.

The FSSG consists in a system for selectively converting an existing Glock pistol between semi-automatic and full-automatic operation.

FSSG is quickly attached on any Glock model without altering the gun.

The FSSG is protected under U.S. Patent # 5.705.763 and foreign international patents pending."

Lebell · 10-06-2003, 02:21 PM

hmmm,

Considering how Glocks have a history of kB incidents, I'll pass.

boris · 10-06-2003, 07:44 PM

so, i can convert my 21 to full auto?

G5_Todd · 10-07-2003, 11:18 AM

you would never legally be able to obtain the piece that does that.....but me on the other hand gonna see if my boss lets me get it

cluster · 10-07-2003, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by telekinetic
"The FIRE SELECTOR SYSTEM for Glock Pistols is a state of the art product developed by the firearms inventor Jorge A. Leon in 1987.

The FSSG consists in a system for selectively converting an existing Glock pistol between semi-automatic and full-automatic operation.

FSSG is quickly attached on any Glock model without altering the gun.

The FSSG is protected under U.S. Patent # 5.705.763 and foreign international patents pending."

due to the machine gun ban of '86

you will NEVER be able to own / do this conversion.

you need to be a Class II / SOT to make .. then you can only sell to LEO dept and/or .gov agecnys.

yeah its an ammo waster ... but its a FUN ammo waster..

I dont think ANY of the conversions were EVER reqistered prior to the '86 ban.. so you will never own it as an individual. < less and act of god.. read congress >

on the other hand ,, some Berretas were reqistered as machine guns before the ban as as such,, you can own < depends on your state >

gump · 10-07-2003, 07:32 PM

in tennessee you just have to register the weapon with atf and local sheriffs office, pay 200 extra for the license, and carry a permit with you when you transport the weapon. if i'm wrong would someone correct me. also anyone know what class ffl you got to have before you can buy/sell full auto's?

cluster · 10-07-2003, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gump
in tennessee you just have to register the weapon with atf and local sheriffs office, pay 200 extra for the license, and carry a permit with you when you transport the weapon. if i'm wrong would someone correct me. also anyone know what class ffl you got to have before you can buy/sell full auto's?

your right .. and wrong..

first about the FFL class you need .. :
A class II < allows manufacture of full-autos.. but you can only sell to LEO dept and .gov agency.
or
A class III < a dealer in machine guns.. you can sell anything to LEO and .gov but only "trasferables" to indv>

to BUY .. your need a "transferable machine gun or kit" to start with
"transferable means before 1986 and is already in the ATF's books

you then file a form 3 or a form 4 pay a tax of $200 to the ATF. < its really a stamp and not a license>

about the part you are kinda wrong in.. < about owning>

your right about the ATF and Sherrif part....

The little detail that most people arnt aware of is that only machine gun s that were regsitered as machine guns before the machine gun ban of 1986 can be owned by indivduals.

so baisly the only machine gun or regisestered machine gun conversion "kit" a person < indivdual > can own can not be newer then 1986.. meaning the legal machine guns / conv kits you see for sell to civies today are all at least 17 YEARS OLD !

if the law doesnt change at some point there will simply be no more legal machine guns for your grandkids to enjoy.

hopes this anserwed your questions if not feel free to ask for a more detailed answer.

gump · 10-08-2003, 08:38 AM

i found this off a guy's website i was thinking about ordering a suppressor from.

www.tacicalinc.com

GENERAL NFA PURCHASING REQUIREMENTS
Most people are not aware that an average citizen can own a machine gun or a suppressor (silencer) by completing the appropriate paperwork and paying the corresponding fees. Here is a summary of the basic requirements for NFA (Class 3) ownership:
You have to live in a state that allows its citizens to own the type of firearm that you want to purchase. For instance, some states do not allow any NFA firearms, others allow machine guns but not suppressors while most others allow all NFA. To the best of our knowledge as of this writing:
Machineguns are LEGAL for individuals to possess in all states EXCEPT in DE, DC, HI, NY, WA.
Suppressors (silencers) are legal in all states EXCEPT in DE, DC, HI, IL, MT, NY, NJ, RI.
You have to meet the federal requirements of the 4473 "Yellow Form", such as 21 or older, clean criminal background, no dishonorable discharge, US citizen, etc. Basically if you can legally purchase a handgun, you can legally purchase an NFA (Class 3) firearm.
There is no license required to own an NFA (Class 3) firearm. There is a one time tax that must be paid to ATF when you apply to have the registration transferred to your name. There is no ongoing yearly fee charged by the ATF. For machine guns, suppressors, short barrel shotguns, short barrel rifles and destructive devices, there is a one time $200 tax in addition to the purchase price of the firearms. For AOW (Any Other Weapon) firearms, there is a $5 transfer tax. Even if you purchase 10 machine guns and 10 suppressors, EACH one would have a $200 tax. ATF will issue a tax stamp for $200 upon your approval and that tax stamp along with the form that it is affixed to is your receipt and proof of legal ownership.
The sheriff or chief of police or state police, whichever is YOUR Chief Law Enforcement Officer must be willing to sign your Form 4 (Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration of an NFA Firearm) attesting that he does not know of any reason that you should not have the NFA firearm. Whether you have a concealed carry permit, have a perfectly clean criminal background, voted for him or whatever, it is at the discretion of the CLEO (Chief Law Enforcement Officer) whether or not he will sign. He has no legal obligation to sign and if he will not sign, ATF will not process your application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration of an NFA Firearm and you will not get the firearm. If you own a corporation, you can transfer the NFA firearm to the corporation and no CLEO signature is necessary.
You have to be fingerprinted by the Cleo and the print cards are submitted to ATF along with your $20 tax and your Form 4 (Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration of an NFA Firearm).
You have to have the serial number before any paperwork can be printed or processed to begin the transfer to you which generally means that you have to pay for your firearm.
It takes about 90 to 120 days for ATF to approve the transfer of your NFA firearm. During that time, your local dealer who provided you with the Form 4 application, will maintain possession and ownership. After ATF approves the transfer and returns the approved Form 4 to your local dealer, then you can take possession of the firearm.
Some states (such as LA, MD etc) have additional state transfer and licensing requirements. Some states will only allow its citizens to purchase C & R (Curio and Relic) firearms which are designated by ATF to be C & R status. Generally only original (not USA made remanufactured firearms such as MACs) firearms qualify as C & R and as such they command a premium price.

biznotch · 10-13-2003, 08:58 AM

lol...such artillery vocabulary makes my head hurt...can't understand a thing..

G5_Todd · 10-15-2003, 07:17 AM

every time i watch this video...i get more and more jealous

mushrew · 10-28-2003, 12:20 AM

i have an airsoft version of that gun, pretty fun to play with

Bowlcut · 10-29-2003, 07:23 PM

well other than an exercise in engineering there really is no valid reason for such a piece. other than cool ness and the fact i want one

but yea even in a military application such a thing isnt useful. cavilian even less. but i also dont see why we should be banned from having them.

and i didnt know it was in .40....thought the only one was the 18 and i thought it was 9mm....then again i dont know crap about glock model numbers

kel · 10-29-2003, 07:49 PM

You can mod any model glock to be full auto (not sure about .380). Not legally but doing it is easy.

drew4you · 11-03-2003, 10:09 PM

Awesome, all guns are not cool

thejoker130 · 11-10-2003, 09:25 AM

Cool, hideously inaccurate, but cool.
plus the trigger safety on glocks makes me ever so nervous

Mephisto2 · 11-10-2003, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cluster

if the law doesnt change at some point there will simply be no more legal machine guns for your grandkids to enjoy.

This is the scariest thing I've read in a long time...

Mr Mephisto

orange monkeyee · 11-14-2003, 07:12 PM

thats just what gangs in LA need .... rattattatatatata.

fugue_life · 11-15-2003, 12:47 PM

buy the game global ops and you can shoot one all you want, you can get an extended clip and switch between semi and full auto with a flick of the finger.

poof · 11-15-2003, 01:51 PM

Well, I spend enough time with my 27.
As far as the 9mm vs .40 cal ego trip about how bad you are? Whatever.
Shot placement is key, and larger round=larger wound. I like my 27, and place rounds where they should be placed. I just do it in .40 S&W.

Stop stroking each others dicks about your choice of pistol ammo.

kel · 11-15-2003, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by poof
Well, I spend enough time with my 27.
As far as the 9mm vs .40 cal ego trip about how bad you are? Whatever.
Shot placement is key, and larger round=larger wound. I like my 27, and place rounds where they should be placed. I just do it in .40 S&W.

Stop stroking each others dicks about your choice of pistol ammo.

Wrong thread? (attitude check?)

ireallydontknow · 11-18-2003, 05:46 PM

that is awesome

Jelorian · 11-19-2003, 04:31 AM

I've seen another video where the guy is wearing a bandana to hide his face. The gun had the really big 30+ round magazine. Pretty damn cool!

I'm sure that with the correct know how and tools a compentent armorer could do a conversion, however I think the one from the factory is the G18 and its a 9mm. (correct me if I'm wrong)

I have the Model 22 and 27. Its very cool how the full size magazines fit in the smaller sized guns of same caliber. The .40S&W is such a great round.

09-24-2003, 04:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mind_Storm Tilted Location: The Finger Lakes of New York	Glock .40 Auto Ain't it cool http://www.fss-g.com/fss-g.mpeg

10-06-2003, 11:35 AM	#7 (permalink)
G5_Todd Junkie Location: Reichstag	omg so neat.....so inaccurate __________________ "....and when you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." -General Franks

10-06-2003, 02:21 PM	#9 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	hmmm, Considering how Glocks have a history of kB incidents, I'll pass. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

10-07-2003, 11:18 AM	#11 (permalink)
G5_Todd Junkie Location: Reichstag	you would never legally be able to obtain the piece that does that.....but me on the other hand gonna see if my boss lets me get it __________________ "....and when you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." -General Franks

10-15-2003, 07:17 AM	#17 (permalink)
G5_Todd Junkie Location: Reichstag	every time i watch this video...i get more and more jealous __________________ "....and when you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." -General Franks

10-02-2003, 05:52 PM	#2 (permalink)
gump Addict Location: TN	sweet ... i know its a ammo waster but dang that'd be fun to shoot. i wonder if its got a selector switch from full auto to semi?

10-04-2003, 06:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
biznotch Upright	sweeeeet, I wish i saw the pic of the gun itself to see the grip

10-04-2003, 08:12 PM	#4 (permalink)
soopadoopa Crazy	Damn now that's a pocket of rock and roll!!!!!!

10-05-2003, 08:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
Stare At The Sun Eh? Location: Somewhere over the rainbow	how much does one of those run? cost wise

10-06-2003, 07:59 AM	#6 (permalink)
thumbs Upright	wow, all i can say is wow

10-06-2003, 02:03 PM	#8 (permalink)
telekinetic2 Loser	"The FIRE SELECTOR SYSTEM for Glock Pistols is a state of the art product developed by the firearms inventor Jorge A. Leon in 1987. The FSSG consists in a system for selectively converting an existing Glock pistol between semi-automatic and full-automatic operation. FSSG is quickly attached on any Glock model without altering the gun. The FSSG is protected under U.S. Patent # 5.705.763 and foreign international patents pending."

10-06-2003, 07:44 PM	#10 (permalink)
boris Upright	so, i can convert my 21 to full auto?

10-07-2003, 07:32 PM	#13 (permalink)
gump Addict Location: TN	in tennessee you just have to register the weapon with atf and local sheriffs office, pay 200 extra for the license, and carry a permit with you when you transport the weapon. if i'm wrong would someone correct me. also anyone know what class ffl you got to have before you can buy/sell full auto's?

10-08-2003, 08:38 AM	#15 (permalink)
gump Addict Location: TN	i found this off a guy's website i was thinking about ordering a suppressor from. www.tacicalinc.com GENERAL NFA PURCHASING REQUIREMENTS Most people are not aware that an average citizen can own a machine gun or a suppressor (silencer) by completing the appropriate paperwork and paying the corresponding fees. Here is a summary of the basic requirements for NFA (Class 3) ownership: You have to live in a state that allows its citizens to own the type of firearm that you want to purchase. For instance, some states do not allow any NFA firearms, others allow machine guns but not suppressors while most others allow all NFA. To the best of our knowledge as of this writing: Machineguns are LEGAL for individuals to possess in all states EXCEPT in DE, DC, HI, NY, WA. Suppressors (silencers) are legal in all states EXCEPT in DE, DC, HI, IL, MT, NY, NJ, RI. You have to meet the federal requirements of the 4473 "Yellow Form", such as 21 or older, clean criminal background, no dishonorable discharge, US citizen, etc. Basically if you can legally purchase a handgun, you can legally purchase an NFA (Class 3) firearm. There is no license required to own an NFA (Class 3) firearm. There is a one time tax that must be paid to ATF when you apply to have the registration transferred to your name. There is no ongoing yearly fee charged by the ATF. For machine guns, suppressors, short barrel shotguns, short barrel rifles and destructive devices, there is a one time $200 tax in addition to the purchase price of the firearms. For AOW (Any Other Weapon) firearms, there is a $5 transfer tax. Even if you purchase 10 machine guns and 10 suppressors, EACH one would have a $200 tax. ATF will issue a tax stamp for $200 upon your approval and that tax stamp along with the form that it is affixed to is your receipt and proof of legal ownership. The sheriff or chief of police or state police, whichever is YOUR Chief Law Enforcement Officer must be willing to sign your Form 4 (Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration of an NFA Firearm) attesting that he does not know of any reason that you should not have the NFA firearm. Whether you have a concealed carry permit, have a perfectly clean criminal background, voted for him or whatever, it is at the discretion of the CLEO (Chief Law Enforcement Officer) whether or not he will sign. He has no legal obligation to sign and if he will not sign, ATF will not process your application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration of an NFA Firearm and you will not get the firearm. If you own a corporation, you can transfer the NFA firearm to the corporation and no CLEO signature is necessary. You have to be fingerprinted by the Cleo and the print cards are submitted to ATF along with your $20 tax and your Form 4 (Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration of an NFA Firearm). You have to have the serial number before any paperwork can be printed or processed to begin the transfer to you which generally means that you have to pay for your firearm. It takes about 90 to 120 days for ATF to approve the transfer of your NFA firearm. During that time, your local dealer who provided you with the Form 4 application, will maintain possession and ownership. After ATF approves the transfer and returns the approved Form 4 to your local dealer, then you can take possession of the firearm. Some states (such as LA, MD etc) have additional state transfer and licensing requirements. Some states will only allow its citizens to purchase C & R (Curio and Relic) firearms which are designated by ATF to be C & R status. Generally only original (not USA made remanufactured firearms such as MACs) firearms qualify as C & R and as such they command a premium price.

10-13-2003, 08:58 AM	#16 (permalink)
biznotch Upright	lol...such artillery vocabulary makes my head hurt...can't understand a thing..

11-10-2003, 09:25 AM	#22 (permalink)
thejoker130 Insane Location: slippery rock university AKA: The left ass cheek of the world	Cool, hideously inaccurate, but cool. plus the trigger safety on glocks makes me ever so nervous __________________ WHAT MORE CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR IF NOT FOR THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN? ------------------------------------- I like you. When the world is mine your death will be quick and painless.

11-18-2003, 05:46 PM	#28 (permalink)
ireallydontknow Insane Location: San Jose, CA	that is awesome

10-28-2003, 12:20 AM	#18 (permalink)
mushrew Upright	i have an airsoft version of that gun, pretty fun to play with

10-29-2003, 07:23 PM	#19 (permalink)
Bowlcut Tilted Location: Nashville, TN USA	well other than an exercise in engineering there really is no valid reason for such a piece. other than cool ness and the fact i want one but yea even in a military application such a thing isnt useful. cavilian even less. but i also dont see why we should be banned from having them. and i didnt know it was in .40....thought the only one was the 18 and i thought it was 9mm....then again i dont know crap about glock model numbers __________________ Remember, my opinion is as irrelevant as yours.....

10-29-2003, 07:49 PM	#20 (permalink)
kel WARNING: FLAMMABLE Location: Ask Acetylene	You can mod any model glock to be full auto (not sure about .380). Not legally but doing it is easy. __________________ "It better be funny"

11-03-2003, 10:09 PM	#21 (permalink)
drew4you Upright	Awesome, all guns are not cool

11-14-2003, 07:12 PM	#24 (permalink)
orange monkeyee Banned	thats just what gangs in LA need .... rattattatatatata.

11-15-2003, 12:47 PM	#25 (permalink)
fugue_life Insane Location: under the stairs	buy the game global ops and you can shoot one all you want, you can get an extended clip and switch between semi and full auto with a flick of the finger. __________________ ba-weep=gra=na-weep-nini-bon?

11-15-2003, 01:51 PM	#26 (permalink)
poof Psycho	Well, I spend enough time with my 27. As far as the 9mm vs .40 cal ego trip about how bad you are? Whatever. Shot placement is key, and larger round=larger wound. I like my 27, and place rounds where they should be placed. I just do it in .40 S&W. Stop stroking each others dicks about your choice of pistol ammo.

11-19-2003, 04:31 AM	#29 (permalink)
Jelorian Upright	Very cool, very inaccurate, but still cool. I've seen another video where the guy is wearing a bandana to hide his face. The gun had the really big 30+ round magazine. Pretty damn cool! I'm sure that with the correct know how and tools a compentent armorer could do a conversion, however I think the one from the factory is the G18 and its a 9mm. (correct me if I'm wrong) I have the Model 22 and 27. Its very cool how the full size magazines fit in the smaller sized guns of same caliber. The .40S&W is such a great round.