matthew330

Please smooth, no need to play the victim here. This thread had only one purpose, and that was to insult conservatives. Interesting how you didn't pick up on the "theme" untill i chimed in.

Averett

Excuse me, I started this thread, and the purpose was not to insult conservatives.

Did you even read my original post? Maybe you should read it again just incase.

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RangerDick

The reason libs get so riled up about Coulter is because she beats them at their own game (namely a lot of hyperbole mixed in with some sarcastic zingers that cut a little too close to home for some it seems). The main distinction though is that she actually uses these pesky little things called facts. And we all know that facts are to libtards what kryptonite is to Superman.

/i keed i keed

smooth

Well, averett defended her motives for herself, but regardless if you felt that this thread was insulting conservatives as a whole (although I see all kinds of conservatives in this thread stating they don't like Ann),

I responded that you had insulted liberals on this board.

I don't understand why people in this "community" feel the need to insult each other over things 'out there'


and "libtards" is about as mature as "repukes" or "republipukes" or whatever the hell crappy term people hurl at republicans in order to insult or incite them. real conducive to TFP community building.

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matthew330

Of course i read your original post...and you know perfectly well two things were gonna happen

a. It was gonna stick to an "i hate ann coulter" fest (how riveting)

or the more likely progression

b. you think that's bad, check out what this republican said in 1955.

Tantamount to a thread being started about some liberal cartoonist calling Condi Rice "Aunt Jamima" but surprise surpirse...that never happened.

matthew330

allright smooth, i'm backing out, sorry to interrupt...have fun.

almostaugust

Perhaps Australia's answer to Rice is Pauline Hanson. She appeared on the scene several years ago, claiming to represent 'real australians'. Her viewpoints were racist, purile and direct. One of her answers to debt was for australia to print more money. Along with this were all the other (yawn) garden variety predjudices that these people hold near and dear.
She had a massive effect though! And although the mod conservatives all dismissed her as a 'loon' and a 'cook', they started adopting alot of her more moderate ideas. Thereby stealing her voter base. Then they chucked her in jail for voter fraud. Amusingly, while in jail one of her cellmates was an aboriginal woman, and through her relationship with her softened her own ideas toward indiginous australians (Yes, just like in American History X).

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hahahah someone here actually takes her seriously?!

Please OH PLEASE defend this:

Cuz I don't think ya can without looking like a fool.

As much as you hate him, Moore isn't like that, nor is that Coulter "playing liberals at their own game". Moore is a hardcore liberal, more than most, yes, but Coulter is FAR more extreme on her side than he is on his - FAR more. I know a lot of conservatives who love Bush/hate Moore, and each and every one of them thinks she's a nutcase not worthy of the level of fame she has.

Someone said she used "facts - something liberals hate, like Kryptonite against superman", um... no. I've read her books and while she blurbs a small fact here and there, for the most part it's bigotry and grade-school ranting like so:

If you can find ONE thing of substance that she's produced... and I'm talking an article, whatever, that doesn't include any ignorance or bigotry and is laced with facts on an insightful topic, by all means, post a link here... but ya won't!

Guess why? They don't exist.

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Willravel

She is not an acurate representative of a conservative. She's even a bad example of a political person. If she is joking, she is the Andy Kaufman of politics (people aren't ever sure when she's joking, so her comedy is lost on most). If she is serious, she is a good example of someone who needs to be at home alone with her 45 cats all named after political figures. What are we to do? Ignore the crap out of her until she shuts her mouth. If someone tries to defend her? Simply rip them apart with even a basic understanding of politics. She'll go away the same way Dr. Laura and every other moron-who-thinks-he/she-is-important-to-anyone who ever bothered us. Dr. Phil will be joining them shortly.

pan6467

I saw NOONE bashing any conservatives except the topic Ann C. and slamming her for things she has said. That was the ONLY "theme" in this thread.

And it is true I have conservative friends and not one of them likes Coulter. Very few agree with many of the talking heads as they see them for what they are, people who make millions trying to divide the nation with hate and insults. (There are Libs that do it also, not many... MM is about the only one that ever gets any attention.)

A conservative friend of mine is amazed I listen to Limbaugh because as he put it, "when Rush Started he had a sense of humor, now instead of taking calls and having some fun, he spends all his time in divisive and hate filled monologues." That is partially true, but what sets Limbaugh apart from the rest is that Limbaugh started because he had some good points and noone else did what he was doing.

Now, just like with any other form of entertainment, the boundaries have to keep being broken and people have to keep pushing the "extremes" or lose their audience to someone who will. Hence, Ms. Coulter. She's a woman in a traditionally male venue, so she has to be extreme so that she may be heard and have her audience.

I think AC goes for the Jerry Springer mentality portion of the GOP, just as MM goes for the elitist, holier than thou, Dem. Both have their audiences, both make millions and both truly have more to win the more divided this country stays.

Those of us that are sane and know we all have to live together, realize we have to find compromise and we are tired of the hate filled divisiveness these people preach.

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OFKU0

Every once in a while I read something that sparks a memory that I think may be relevent, in my mind anyways. Yet again another story by me.

My aunt who is very rich belongs to a tony country club. At the time, the prime minister of Canada was Jean Chretien. She fucking hated him and everything he stood for.

One day as she was at the club playing golf with her equally rich friends, along comes Jean Chretien and the rest of his foursome and bodyguards asking if they could play through. On the way he does his usual schtick, shakes hands, makes some jokes, thanks them then like an old pro moves on to forget them a minute later.

Well for a month after that all she could do was praise this man to no end as almost the next best thing to sliced bread. Blinded by charm, too in awe to relinquish her feeling of angst, blinded by bullshit.

As for Ann Coulter, she'll die one day and no one will notice. Carry on

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Stompy

The thing is... she would truly be funny IF this was all a farse... satire of sorts. But she's SERIOUS.

A good comparison would be Howard Stern. I could easily picture him saying a lot of stuff she says. It's alright for him to say it because 1 - his show is, first and foremost, obscene comedy and 2 - you can easily tell when he's giving a tongue-in-cheek response or commentary on something.

See, he never painted himself to be a serious political commentator whereas Coulter wants to be taken seriously. Stern more or less says it to piss people off or get a rise out of people, Coulter does it for probably the same reasons, but with a completely different background and intention.

Another example would be the daily show.. they could easily pull of statements like that, but it's okay because they're satire - the whole purpose of their existence is to mock politicians. They never once tried to paint themselves as a serious news source.

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martinguerre

i think the worst thing that can be said about her is that she really believes what she says. to her, violence is a god. and she appears to be very devout.

real politik makes us feel good. it just happens to kill people. ann is a skilled practicioner of this art, telling us to feel good about what we do. that we can't makea geopolitical victory omlette with out breaking a few human rights eggs. that war will make us feel strong again. she and bob novak should be digging every grave for this war. not just the soliders, but the iraqi civilians. some Christmas they're having, ann?

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Paq

See..that's just it...i used to think ann coulter was funny. I mean, i picked up one of her books that came out before she did all the talk show circuits and i read a bit and thought, Funny...absurd but funny...i don't agree by any means, but i can laugh...

Then, i started hearing people quote her and use her as a source and i thought..no...they can't be serious

then more and more i realized....People actually take her seriously

And that's why i can't stand her...I don't mind whatever she says...I still find some things funny...I mean, something like :Just think: If we'd invaded your countries, killed your leaders and converted you to Christianity YOU'D ALL BE OPENING CHRISTMAS PRESENTS RIGHT ABOUT NOW! " would be HILARIOUS coming from the daily show or howard stern or whatever, but when she's being serious and people are taking it seriously, then i start to worry....


Then i realized...no matter how absurd the daily show gets, they NEVER hit the vitriol level of ann coulter...I don't think i could imagine john stewart coming out to say half of the things that come out of this lady's mouth...

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pan6467

She's achieving her objective though, and quite well. That is agree, disagree or think she's whacked out on some ego insanity trip, she still gets people to talk about her and use her name. 54 posts in less than 24 hours on just her..... that is quite an ego builder for some, regardless whether it is good or bad.

As Humphrey Bogart was the first to be quoted as saying, "There is no such thing as bad publicity," I always add, as long as you are mentioned you are getting attention and remaining in people's minds, good or bad.

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alansmithee

You could replace "Coulter" with "Moore" or "Franken" and your post would be just as accurate. And as for the whole "satire" thing, it has always seemed that's just a label liberals use to avoid checking their facts. Alot of these "satirists" really want to be taken seriously in a political context, but if anyone calls them on accuracy like to claim it's just comedy. But it ignores the point that they are proseletysing (sp?) just as much as the next guy.

I remember when Jon Stewart was on Crossfire. It was a great show, and I remember during one exchange when Stewart was ripping into the host, he said something to the effect that his show doesn't need to be as tough or factual because it's a comedy. But his show is pushing an agenda, simply being a comedy shouldn't get you a free pass.

Honestly, it seems the only problem alot of the people in this thread have with Coulter is that she's on the other side, they seem blind to the faults of their own talking heads.

smooth

Satire has been around a long time. Liberals, to my knowledge, have no monopoly on being satirists, and the label doesn't have anything to do with being factual or not. Stewart's beef wasn't that people be factual or not, or that they even not be partisan (that they not have an agenda). He was saying that people who purport to be political commentators ought not drive the discourse into the ground. That is, they ought to be speak to one another like adults instead of shouting insults at each other.

Coulter injects her purposefully inflammatory language into the public political discourse, which encourages others to speak to one another with such inflammatory rhetoric. This process of basing decisions and arguments on hurling insults at one another drives rational thought out of our poltical discussions. Now comedians have always skirted the edge of socially acceptable language and imagry. But society has also always seemed to understand the limit of crossing into the taboo--it happens in comedic situations, not real life decision making.

We may joke in the bar, or even around the water cooler, or in a comedy "place," but we don't carry what a comedian or our funny friend says about "niggers, spics, fags, and biatches" into Congress or to our boss at his or her desk. It doesn't make any sense to me to even compare what comedians do to the limits of what I expect from my political commentators.

I don't know why you stated that last paragraph. A lot of comments on here against Coulter are from conservatives. Also, at least one liberal, me, pointed out that she was a personal friend of Mahrer's.

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sob

Those that take her absolutely seriously are hyperbole-impaired. However, I admit to having the same failing--I scratched my head with the "Is he serious?" look when Jesse Jackson came to my home town and said a flood had been "racist" because it flooded more black homes than white ones. However, he got the cheers and applause he was fishing for.

The difference as I see it is that Ann states some pretty out-there OPINIONS, but Michael Moore lies in an attempt to legitimize his original lies. To me, a statement like "All liberals are idiots" is much less harmful than Moore's claim that “numerous investigations said that Gore won Florida.”

The first is obviously her opinion; the second attempts to deceive people who don't read The New York Times, the Washington Post, or USA Today, to name three.

On a marginally related note, if you ever want to meet a full-fledged alcoholic moron who has only survived by surrounding himself with some very sharp people, try to meet Teddy Kennedy.

Manx

Are you serious?

Recounts using about 24 different methodologies put Gore ahead in half and Bush ahead in half. And a last recount of the entire state put Gore ahead. All reported in the New York Times.

So which is worse? The unsubstantiated, intentionally baseless, inflammatory, self-congratulating, populist-nonsense opinion ... or the actual fact?

Thankfully you weren't serious.

docbungle

How anyone can compare Coulter to Franken or Moore is beyond me. She is a bigot, nothing more and nothing less. She is filled with hate and spews it at anyone who disagrees with her. She is not a conservative; she is a fucking lunatic. She says the type of shit Hitler used to say.

Am I lying?

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Averett

I don't think anyone here can compare Coulter to anyone else. The woman is insane.

And no, I'm not saying that just because I think she's insane, and because she's a conservative that I think all conservatives are insane. I don't. Some are, just like some moderates and liberals are insane. So lets everyone lay off comparing her to anyone else. She isn't like anyone else.

Somebody said upthread that if the statement that Coulter made was made by SNL or the Daily Show we'd all find it funny. Damn right we would. Because we would know it's satire. We'd groan and say "That's just not right" while laughing. But when Coulter says it we think "What the Fuck is wrong with that horse faced woman?" Because we know she's serious. Or at least she wants us to think she is... Because it's going to get press.

And we're all talking about it, aren't we? Kinda makes me wish I didn't start this thread. There would be no Ann Coulter insane tidbits if we just ignored her.

I can't believe people are defending her.

As for how she is as a dinner guest, I'm sure she's quite fine. As long as there are no reporters/cameras around. Its when she has that audience... that's when she sips from her cup of crazy.

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zombie_sympathi

i think we should start a "neat pictures of ann coulter" thread.

Paq

Ding ding, got it in one

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OFKU0

That's a funny picture. White trash t-shirt, 70's cut off jean shorts and wearing some pumps to boot. Nice stone work on the front of the trailer too.

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ShaniFaye

not to detract from the conversation but shes old enuff that that picture could have been taken in the 70's, hence the attire.

I like the stone work...at least someone made an effort

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Fourtyrulz

Having right wing religious parents has given me the opportunity to watch Farenhype 9/11 in the safety of my own home, on DVD, and to be perfectly honest it was nothing but preaching to the choir. It was filled with right wing politicians trying to convince my already republican parents that leftist Moore is a liar. I saw it as nothing more than a poorly thought out politically charged propaganda video.

But sticking to the thread title...it DOES mention Ann Coulter on the cover.

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Seaver

Off topic. But if you MUST bring this up again read ANY legitimate paper, almost every single investigation found Bush won. If you still dont believe it 4 years later you can go on believing whatever the heck you want but it still wont make it right.

mirevolver

I met her after one of her speeches. I knew the guy who contacted her and got her to come give the speech. So after it was all over and people were leaving, I was able to go backstage and meet with her. As I said, I found her to be very nice and personable. At that level, I found it was very easy to know when she was using her sense of humor. I had a very nice time talking to her, up until a local talk radio personality walked in and asked her if she would come on his show that night, which she agreed to and then they left.

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Superbelt

I am sure that Hitler could be kind and personable to individuals he met through his life as well.

Yes I am comparing her to Hitler. And yes her printed record supports the comparison.

Willravel

"...almost every single investigation found Bush won."
14 of 17 independant investigations found that either Gore most likely won, or there was not enough evidence to call it for Bush. I think you were referring to the 3 of the 17 investigations, one of which was carried out by the Florida dream team, the second was the Supreme Court (on the advise of the Florida dream team), and the third was carried out by a consortium of news outlets - including The New York Times, The Washington Post, Tribune Co. (Newsday's parent company), The Wall Street Journal, Associated Press and CNN. The Florida dream team was a joke. The associated press was the same group that fudged it up by calling it early. What do I say? Ther is not enough evidence either way to start critisizing people on message boards, imo.

Moore seems, at least on the surface, to have some good intentions. I realize that he is very good at bsing and fudging the truth to get there, but he doesn't just have his own interest in mind. Coulter is a self serving, one-woman freak show. She does not ever serve the public good. That is where she and Moore differ.

mirevolver

Funny you should say that. My grandfather, who was a German but fled Germany and came to the US just before WWII, met Hitler. From what he told me, Hitler was actually very frightining, and neither kind nor personable. From what my grandfather told me, his meeting with Hitler was the scariest moment of his life.

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Superbelt

Funnier still that he had the charisma to convince millions to follow him into a war against the rest of Europe.

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"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is that he did not manage to destroy the Fox News building.

"In this recurring nightmare of a presidency, we have to have a national debate about Bush's stolen presidency. Otherwise there would be debates only about whether to impeach or assassinate him."

"We need to execute people like mirevolver and seaver and matthew330 in order to physically intimidate conservatives, by making them realize that they can be killed too. Otherwise they will turn out to be outright traitors."

If I said that kind of stuff here I would have been banned long ago. Yet Ann did say them, with minor changes.

Bodyhammer86

A bit OT but, nobody said anything about Fahrenhype 9/11. I gave the link to Dave Kopel's "the 59 Deceits", which is a well researched and supported attack on Moore's lying shitfest of a movie better known as F9/11. Also, alot of Moore's two bit bullshit conspiracy theories have been debunked by factcheck.org (www.factcheck.org), a non-partisan site that debunks myths put forward by both sides. So please, drop the garbage about partisanship.

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She gots nice legs, though.

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How anyone can compare Moore to Coulter is beyond me. He is a bigot, nothing more and nothing less. He is filled with hate and spews it at anyone who disagrees with him. He is not a liberal; he is a fucking lunatic. He says the type of shit Stalin used to say.

Am I lying?

martinguerre

to my knowledge, moore doesn't reccomend violence as a solution to political disagreements. coulter has.

why defend coulter with statements about moore, anyhow? it's irrelevant. the thread started to discuss why someone would make statements advocating a mass war against nations, the execution of their political leadership, and the forcible conversion of their populations to another religion. why defend that at all?

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Willravel

Thank you, martinguerre, for some sanity. This is not the "Michael Moore is Insane" thread. Yes, MM is an ass, but we are talking about Anne Coulter.

docbungle

If you're being serious, then you're not the kind of person who understands what is wrong with Coulter. Or maybe you haven't heard her speak or perhaps you haven't read her columns or her books. If you have, and you still feel this way, well, then, you have fun with that. I support her freedom of speech, as I support Moore's, and Franken's, and every other person on the planet. But if you can't see the fundamental difference between people like Moore and Franken (OTHER than the obvious liberal/conservative difference) and Ann Coulter, then you're not looking very hard.

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pan6467

In all honesty, I hold MM in about the same regard asd I hold Ann Coulter, perhaps a tad bit differently. In that, MM does what he does just for the money. Ann Coulter, I am afraid, actually believes the vile she spews out.

However, anyone comparing either MM or AC to Mr. Al Franken truly has never heard Al or read anything by him and goes only by what Limbaugh and gang say about him. Al Franken, is a very learned, caring man that truly bases everything on facts and admits when Dems. are truly wrong. He's what a political pundit should be, a mellow, not in your face, let's work together kind of man. I have never heard or read anything by him that says his views are the only views that matter or are right.

I'm a Dem. and fairly liberal and I am in no way shy to admit MM is a whack job. I don't understand the Neo-Cons that support Ann C. Just as I don't understand the Libs that buy into MM's games.

Here's an example of how much MM truly cares about his fans:

MM was to give a lecture at U of Akron. He demanded that the Univ. PAY for his hotel, $500 of catered food, transportation and any other expenses. Of course the money was raised. He took a hotel room in CLE., did not touch the food, and the expenses and transportation costs were pretty much not needed as he had already been scheduled for a private fundraiser in CLE. that night. Overall, the Univ. spent over $10,000 to have him there and rumors were that he was extremely rude, refused to meet with anyone and overall was a complete asswipe to people. This was reported by the school newspaper and I have heard first hand accounts by people that were there.

True it wasn't the Univ. that paid (it was a combo of the college Dems, and a drama teacher, along with a frat). Needless to say, the vast majority of those who had invited him regretted it. Not because of what he said, but because of his personal attitude and demeanor towards those who sponsered his visit.

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I agree, I dont like Al Franken's political views, but he dose allow room for people who disagree and comes out against his own party when he believes they are wrong.

Moore is a dick and, I believe, does not have the "good" in mind when he says what he says. He backs up nothing with REAL evidence.

Ann Coulter is just as bad as Moore in that nothing she says has validity, stacked to that she does as much good for the conservative agenda as Moore does for the liberal agenda (aka no good).

She, as well as Moore, adds as much validity to their cause as a rapist adds to their sex claiming moral superiority.