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Old 09-29-2005, 09:01 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Genetically altered mice discovered accidentally at the Wistar Institute in Pennsylvania have the seemingly miraculous ability to regenerate like a salamander, and even regrow vital organs.

Researchers systematically amputated digits and damaged various organs of the mice, including the heart, liver and brain, most of which grew back.

The results stunned scientists because if such regeneration is possible in this mammal, it might also be possible in humans.

The researchers also made a remarkable second discovery: When cells from the regenerative mice were injected into normal mice, the normal mice adopted the ability to regenerate. And when the special mice bred with normal mice, their offspring inherited souped-up regeneration capabilities.

The mice, known as the MRL strain, were genetically engineered and inbred to develop lupus. But researchers don't know why exactly the animals' injuries heal so well.

"If we identified the molecules that allow mice that don't regenerate to regenerate ... and I think we could be close to doing that, then I think the next step is to consider what these molecules would do in individuals," said Ellen Heber-Katz, a professor of molecular and cellular oncogenesis at Wistar, located on the University of Pennsylvania campus in Philadelphia.

Heber-Katz discovered the strain in 1998 accidentally while working with mice altered genetically for studying autoimmune diseases.

She had pierced holes in the ears of the genetically altered mice to distinguish them from a control group, but they healed quickly with no scarring.

She and her colleagues wanted to find out what other parts of this strain of mice would grow back, so they snipped off the tip of a tail, severed a spinal cord, poked an eye and cauterized various internal organs.

The incredible wound-healing they observed abruptly shifted the focus of Heber-Katz's lab's research from autoimmune disease to regenerative medicine. The researchers began hunting for the specific genes that gave the mice their special powers. They are focusing on three specific genes at the moment, but she suspects that many more likely contribute to the regenerative abilities.

While some amphibians can regrow body parts, mammals for the most part do not have that ability, making this a very special mouse indeed. If the results can be translated to humans, it would be a dream come true for people who want to live forever.

"When those genes (responsible for the mice regeneration) are found, we can start to think about manipulating them in humans with drugs or (later) gene therapy, thereby enhancing our own regeneration," said Aubrey de Grey, a longevity expert and editor of the scientific journal Rejuvenation Research.

Other labs have also begun to join the investigation.

The mice seem to exhibit regenerative capabilities similar to that of human fetuses in the first trimester, said Dr. Stephen Badylak, a surgery research professor and director of the Center for Pre-Clinical Tissue Engineering at the University of Pittsburgh's McGowan Institute for Regenerative Medicine.

"It offers us insight into a more fetal-like healing response, where scar tissue is minimal and regeneration is abundant," Badylak said. "It's a great model to examine healing mechanisms and use that information to see if we can stimulate the same thing to happen in people."

Heber-Katz said she will soon publish her results on digit regrowth in a peer-reviewed medical journal.

Heber-Katz presented new data showing that the strain of mice can also grow back severed digits at the Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence conference in Cambridge, England. ("Engineered negligible senescence" is a fancy term for life extension.)
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My biggest question is... how soon can I get these genes? I know a lot of people are less than eager to get into genetic experimentation but I, for one, am quite so. I think that discoveries like this and applications of such discoveries within humans will be of great benefit. Any thoughts?
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Old 09-29-2005, 09:26 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Holy shit.

My only question is, why is this merely being reported in Wired? I just did a Google news search on MRL mice, and only got this and one Chinese article from August 30, 2005. Shouldn't this be front-page news?
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Old 09-29-2005, 09:56 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Hmm.. if merely injecting the mouce cells into another mouse gets the gene to pass on, it may be all that is required to get it to pass to other animals too. They should give it a shot with another animal and see what happens.
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Old 09-29-2005, 10:04 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Holy shit.

My only question is, why is this merely being reported in Wired? I just did a Google news search on MRL mice, and only got this and one Chinese article from August 30, 2005. Shouldn't this be front-page news?

The article mentions that she has not yet published her findings, but soon will, and also that it will be discussed at a medical conference in England. After these two items take place, you'll see more about it. Of course, when the U.S. media gets ahold of it, prepare for a bit of sensationalization.
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Old 09-29-2005, 11:32 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Fascinating. I'm curious though about the long term effects, such as cancer risks.
This will be interesting to watch.
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I'm curious though about the long term effects, such as cancer risks.
Or, for that matter, lupus.
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The mice, known as the MRL strain, were genetically engineered and inbred to develop lupus.
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Old 09-29-2005, 11:51 AM   #8 (permalink)
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My biggest question is... how soon can I get these genes? I know a lot of people are less than eager to get into genetic experimentation but I, for one, am quite so. I think that discoveries like this and applications of such discoveries within humans will be of great benefit. Any thoughts?

What you should be asking is whether we have genes analogous to that regenerative gene found in the mice.

While the idea of being able to regenerate tissue sounds all nice and dandy you must remember that the very nature of cancer is that it consits of cells whose proliferation (i.e. regenerative abilities) is being overexpressed and escapes all regulatory mechanisms that govern normal development.

I wouldn't hold my breath and expect great benefits to come out from this... not for another 60 to 80 years anyways.
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That's okay, I still plan to be alive in 60 to 80 years. I'm patient...
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Old 10-03-2005, 05:58 PM   #10 (permalink)
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sounds cool but they've done a lot of cool things in mice that havent translated to humans (yet) such as:

making paralyzed mice walk
toying with the aging process
making blind mice see
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The main reason that is true is due to extreme restrictions on human testing, and sometimes the methods used. Plus of course millions of dollars. In a more receptive world many of these things would already be in use benefiting mankind.
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The main reason that is true is due to extreme restrictions on human testing, and sometimes the methods used. Plus of course millions of dollars. In a more receptive world many of these things would already be in use benefiting mankind.
possibly, but many of the restrictions are warrented. Human testing brings to mind Nazi doc's the Tuskegee Syphilis experiment and other such monstrosoties
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I see your point, but the main problem with a lot of those experiments is that the people being tested on didn't give their consent. I don't argue against a level of control, but the current level required is absurd in most countries.
While one may agrue that the testing of a menthod/drug/device, that may not be perfect, on consenting adults is morally wrong. I have to argue that waiting is just as morally wrong, if not worse.. and really only results in prolonged suffering and deaths of many people who could benefit.

I mean, if i know i have a month to live w/ cancer, and i know a guy out there is working on a cure, I would go and give it a shot. What would i have to lose, besides my life, which would be over in a month anyway? Even if the test doesn't work, and i die, it will atleast have been a useful death. But, i guess, this is sorta dipping into the "right to die" stuff, and I've already jacked this thread enough.
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Old 10-04-2005, 09:27 AM   #14 (permalink)
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So I guess wolverine wouldn't be a super hero anymore
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I agree wholeheartedly. Frankly, even up to and including "right to die" issues, I believe our bodies and lives are for us to make decisions about.
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sounds cool but they've done a lot of cool things in mice that havent translated to humans (yet) such as:

making blind mice see
Glad to see this... I just want to know if they can repair the damage done to their tails by the farmer's wife...
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So I guess wolverine wouldn't be a super hero anymore
Did you forget that part about the adamantium plated skeleton?
The spring-loaded knives tucked away in his forearms?

Do these mice even have groovy yellow tights?

Pfft.
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Yea, but the only reason he was able to survive the implanted metal was due to his regenerative capabilities. weeee
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Old 10-04-2005, 06:59 PM   #19 (permalink)
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The article mentions that she has not yet published her findings, but soon will, and also that it will be discussed at a medical conference in England. After these two items take place, you'll see more about it. Of course, when the U.S. media gets ahold of it, prepare for a bit of sensationalization.

More media denigration for no reason. Why would we sensationalize this? It's a pretty sensational story to begin with and doesn't need any embelishment. After all, if it's possible in mice, it's probably eventually possible in humans which leads to incredible medical opportunities down the road. What exactly could we "sensationalize" that would make it a more exciting story?
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More media denigration for no reason. Why would we sensationalize this? It's a pretty sensational story to begin with and doesn't need any embelishment. After all, if it's possible in mice, it's probably eventually possible in humans which leads to incredible medical opportunities down the road. What exactly could we "sensationalize" that would make it a more exciting story?
Oh, just to name a few things I can see:

* "Work is soon to be underway to find out if this can be applied to humans" - untrue.

* "This could be the solution to cancer, heart disease, et cetera." - possibly true, but unsubstantiated for humans


Realistically I take most of what I hear on the news with a grain of salt. A good example of sensationalization is the annual outbreak of what affects our children. Some years you hear nothing but tragedy in the news about kids drowning in their own pools. Statistically, this number doesn't change much, but some summers you hear about it like every other child on your block is going to drown. Some years it's kids left in cars. Some years it's poison in Halloween candy. Realistically, no year has much of an identifiable spike in these activities, but the news media needs to keep their ratings up, so when the summer gets to boring, they search for one or two stories that'll make people tune in. It's bullshit for the most part, and best case scenario, over sensationalizing things. Sure wish we had good news program managers like Fred Friendly instead of the boneheads we have now. News should be about news, not about ratings. Man, I almost sound like a republican *shiver*
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