09-29-2005, 09:01 AM | #1 (permalink) | |
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09-29-2005, 09:02 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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My biggest question is... how soon can I get these genes? I know a lot of people are less than eager to get into genetic experimentation but I, for one, am quite so. I think that discoveries like this and applications of such discoveries within humans will be of great benefit. Any thoughts?
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09-29-2005, 09:26 AM | #3 (permalink) |
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Holy shit.
My only question is, why is this merely being reported in Wired? I just did a Google news search on MRL mice, and only got this and one Chinese article from August 30, 2005. Shouldn't this be front-page news?
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09-29-2005, 09:56 AM | #4 (permalink) |
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Hmm.. if merely injecting the mouce cells into another mouse gets the gene to pass on, it may be all that is required to get it to pass to other animals too. They should give it a shot with another animal and see what happens.
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The article mentions that she has not yet published her findings, but soon will, and also that it will be discussed at a medical conference in England. After these two items take place, you'll see more about it. Of course, when the U.S. media gets ahold of it, prepare for a bit of sensationalization. |
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09-29-2005, 11:32 AM | #6 (permalink) |
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Fascinating. I'm curious though about the long term effects, such as cancer risks.
This will be interesting to watch.
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09-29-2005, 11:51 AM | #8 (permalink) | |
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What you should be asking is whether we have genes analogous to that regenerative gene found in the mice. While the idea of being able to regenerate tissue sounds all nice and dandy you must remember that the very nature of cancer is that it consits of cells whose proliferation (i.e. regenerative abilities) is being overexpressed and escapes all regulatory mechanisms that govern normal development. I wouldn't hold my breath and expect great benefits to come out from this... not for another 60 to 80 years anyways.
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10-03-2005, 05:58 PM | #10 (permalink) |
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sounds cool but they've done a lot of cool things in mice that havent translated to humans (yet) such as:
making paralyzed mice walk toying with the aging process making blind mice see
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10-03-2005, 06:07 PM | #11 (permalink) |
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The main reason that is true is due to extreme restrictions on human testing, and sometimes the methods used. Plus of course millions of dollars. In a more receptive world many of these things would already be in use benefiting mankind.
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10-03-2005, 07:27 PM | #13 (permalink) |
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I see your point, but the main problem with a lot of those experiments is that the people being tested on didn't give their consent. I don't argue against a level of control, but the current level required is absurd in most countries.
While one may agrue that the testing of a menthod/drug/device, that may not be perfect, on consenting adults is morally wrong. I have to argue that waiting is just as morally wrong, if not worse.. and really only results in prolonged suffering and deaths of many people who could benefit. I mean, if i know i have a month to live w/ cancer, and i know a guy out there is working on a cure, I would go and give it a shot. What would i have to lose, besides my life, which would be over in a month anyway? Even if the test doesn't work, and i die, it will atleast have been a useful death. But, i guess, this is sorta dipping into the "right to die" stuff, and I've already jacked this thread enough.
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10-04-2005, 05:17 PM | #17 (permalink) | |
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The spring-loaded knives tucked away in his forearms? Do these mice even have groovy yellow tights? Pfft.
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10-04-2005, 06:59 PM | #19 (permalink) | |
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More media denigration for no reason. Why would we sensationalize this? It's a pretty sensational story to begin with and doesn't need any embelishment. After all, if it's possible in mice, it's probably eventually possible in humans which leads to incredible medical opportunities down the road. What exactly could we "sensationalize" that would make it a more exciting story? |
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10-05-2005, 12:39 PM | #20 (permalink) | |
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* "Work is soon to be underway to find out if this can be applied to humans" - untrue. * "This could be the solution to cancer, heart disease, et cetera." - possibly true, but unsubstantiated for humans Realistically I take most of what I hear on the news with a grain of salt. A good example of sensationalization is the annual outbreak of what affects our children. Some years you hear nothing but tragedy in the news about kids drowning in their own pools. Statistically, this number doesn't change much, but some summers you hear about it like every other child on your block is going to drown. Some years it's kids left in cars. Some years it's poison in Halloween candy. Realistically, no year has much of an identifiable spike in these activities, but the news media needs to keep their ratings up, so when the summer gets to boring, they search for one or two stories that'll make people tune in. It's bullshit for the most part, and best case scenario, over sensationalizing things. Sure wish we had good news program managers like Fred Friendly instead of the boneheads we have now. News should be about news, not about ratings. Man, I almost sound like a republican *shiver* |
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