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Spinach_Indeed · 08-15-2003, 06:21 PM

It's not news that many Christians don't approve on Dungeons and Dragons. I recently read an article on the negatives of DnD through the eyes of (some) Christians.

Here's a couple of highlights from it:

A central Washington police department asks as a standard question of
those arrested: "Are you a participant of Fantasy Role Games?" Another source
stated that 60 suicides were directly attributed to D&D in 1981.

One of the book's author says that in D&D good is given far more attention than evil, but a 40-hour-per-week player claims that it is better to be evil because you can do evil things and get away with them. An FRP games representative stated in The Milwaukee Journal, 11/5/81, that "these games are teaching the difference between right and wrong." In D&D even lawful good characters kill many other human characters in the name of duty to eradicate evil.

The words demon, devil and hell appear a total of 225 times in eight pages of Deities and Demigods (pages 16-23), and encourages the worship of them as lesser gods (page 105).

Anddd, My Personal Favorite:

Dr. Gary North, a Christian economist, author of the book None Dare Call It Witchcraft, and editor of the Remnant Review, said this: "Without any doubt in my own mind, after years of study of the history of occultism, after having researched historical research, I can say with confidence: These games are the most effective, most magnificently packaged, most profitably marked,
most thoroughly researched introduction to the occult in man's recorded history, period. This is NO game." (Remnant Review, 12/5/80)

Check out the rest of this Mini-Article here:
http://www.webzonecom.com/ccn/cults/satn07.txt

wario · 08-15-2003, 06:51 PM

As much fun as it is to laugh at these people, it kinda makes me wonder what my kids are going to do someday that I will think is evil.
But that's still many many years off, so let's laugh.
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

giblfiz · 08-15-2003, 06:51 PM

http://www.hoboes.com/html/RPG/Defense.html

The quantity of slander against role playing is disturbingly large. To my knowledge there has never been a *single* death attributed to RPGs that stood up to fact checking. On the other hand there have been something like 1,800 accused ones. The most famous of which was published by Patricia Pulling, and actually taken thru Court. Interesting thing was the boy who had hypothetically committed suicide never even existed.

There is a lot of literature out there on this subject, but only one side bothers to do any fact checking.

heres a quick quote from one paper for those who don't want to bother doing any clicking.

Quote:

BADD estimated 4 million gamers worldwide (this number has increased since then), and with the average suicide rate, this means 500 gamers would commit suicide each year. As of 1987, BADD had documented an average of seven suicides of gamers a year, meaning D&D actually lowers the suicide rate (5).

James Forest and Suzanne Abyeta studied criminal tendencies of people who played RPG's and found that fewer crimes were committed by gamers than the average for each age group. The Association of Gifted-Creative Children of California endorses D&D for its educational content. After surveying psychological autopsies of adolescent suicides, they found no links to D&D (5).

No links between D&D and teen suicides were found after extensive studies by The American Association of Suicidology, The Center for Disease Control, and Health & Welfare (Canada).

Dr. S. Kenneth Schonbert studied over 700 adolescent suicides and found that D&D was not a factor in any of them. Luis H. Zayas found D&D can help treat disruptive eight and nine year olds. FBI Supervisory Special Agent Kenneth Lanning states in his book that there are no connections between RPG's and crime (6).

TerresqueÜ · 08-15-2003, 09:20 PM

People are so stupid...They take everything out of proportion cuz they like to ruin peoples fun!

Apokx · 08-15-2003, 11:19 PM

People fear what they don't understand.

...but some are just fucking retarded.

Raw Kuts · 08-15-2003, 11:50 PM

Why would a gamer want to commit suicide? I mean... HL2, Doom3, Halo2, Soul Caliber 2 (in english), Jedi Academy, and more! You can contemplate suicide when there is a lull in the good games department, but wait a few months and it always gets better (if not, break out the classics).

h2g2Fan · 08-15-2003, 11:59 PM

Internet forums are evil, and anyone who posts in one is under the influence of Satan.

Apokx · 08-16-2003, 11:39 AM

Shhh!

Stare At The Sun · 08-16-2003, 12:43 PM

stupid close minded people. Alas, not much you can do. I wonder if warhammer 40k is a satan game...cause Chaos has gods, demons/daemons etc etc

Buk · 08-16-2003, 12:50 PM

As a christian I'd like to point out that nowhere in the bible does it say playing fantasy RPGs or rolling dice is evil and means you are going to hell.

These are just interpretations of a few individuals and to think that everyone who believes in the same religion as them thinks the same way is just as ignorant.

GakFace · 08-16-2003, 01:53 PM

yeah... this is crazy stuff...

I actually wrote a paper about this last semester

well gaming in general, so i touched both topics electronic and P&P...

I wonder if I can find the article where they guy said that in NO way is D&D the occult. Another article was how a Psychologist used a kid's D&D sessions to help him open up by relating thru his character. As he did things thru his character he learned about himself, and was able to become an able-bodied individual...

I remember playing D&D.... and beating up deamons, and banishing them from this world. I remember beating up thugs, and thus making it a better place (even tho there was always something else

).

Here's a good one for you.. They say "demon" is mentioned a lot.. Now I ask you this: How many times is "Satan" printed in the Bible?
................ Hmm this leads me to believe that the bible promotes evil and evil ways, as it shows you how to follow satan and helps children to know what are sins, so they can be better sinners.....
(Ain't it great to turn things back around?

)

And yes, I am a christian myself.

t3m3st · 08-16-2003, 09:11 PM

Remeber the whole anti-Harry Potter compaign? Some schools banned it, and I think i remember hearing about a book burning somewhere?

ningato · 08-16-2003, 10:03 PM

Just so you know mass murders are at an almost 100% record for having a bible.

Apokx · 08-16-2003, 11:56 PM

People should remember that Nazi's burned books.

"When YOU burn books,you burn books with Hitler!"

Nad Adam · 08-18-2003, 03:02 PM

What the hell is a christian economist and why would anyone need one?

NeverBorn · 09-26-2003, 09:54 AM

Its called Scapegoating..

krazixs · 09-26-2003, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ningato
Just so you know mass murders are at an almost 100% record for having a bible.

Most of them owned dicitonarys and encyclopedias. . . evillllllll

fugue_life · 09-27-2003, 12:04 PM

My high school banned "Magic:the gathering" from being played on school grounds because parents felt it had an evil "satanic" influence on our fragile high school minds. People are morons

Pellaz · 09-28-2003, 08:18 AM

Best...thread title....ever

When I was 15 or so, my mother bought a book called "Like lambs to the Slaughter". It told all about the evil's of dnd and how if you watched star wars you were doomed to an eternity in hell. I think she bought into for about a year before she gave up and moved on. I keep meaning to pick up a copy of it for shit's and grins someday.

JimmyTheHutt · 09-30-2003, 04:29 PM

Famed author Michael Stackpole wrote a fantastic rebuttle to all these sorts of claims a few years ago. You can find it here: http://www.rpgstudies.net/stackpole/pulling_report.html

Its pretty good stuff.

Veritas en Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

Moonduck · 09-30-2003, 05:27 PM

When I was about 10 or 11 years old (20 years ago, damn I feel old), my mother caught onto the "D&D is evil" thing and started to worry about me playing. I invited her to play and ran her through an adventure or two. When she saw what it was all about, she backed off. I have a cool Mom.

Czernobog · 09-30-2003, 09:03 PM

Its amazing how quickly people blame something they don't understand for all the worlds ills.

dragonhawk · 10-01-2003, 06:24 AM

I had to talk to a reporter back in the 80's about this. I was president of our local gaming club. Right after that stupid movie came out, where the kid in the gaming group couldn't tell fantasy from the "real world (tm)".

The reporter did a good job, and even started coming to games after the article.

Oh, and fugue_life, Magic:The gathering should be banned from schools. It is worse than crack

(YuGiOh is the current "banned" game from my kids school, but mainly because the kids are distracted from doing school work.)

08-15-2003, 06:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
Spinach_Indeed Banned? Location: Artic Tundra	Satan rolls a 3d8 against your SOUL It's not news that many Christians don't approve on Dungeons and Dragons. I recently read an article on the negatives of DnD through the eyes of (some) Christians. Here's a couple of highlights from it: A central Washington police department asks as a standard question of those arrested: "Are you a participant of Fantasy Role Games?" Another source stated that 60 suicides were directly attributed to D&D in 1981. One of the book's author says that in D&D good is given far more attention than evil, but a 40-hour-per-week player claims that it is better to be evil because you can do evil things and get away with them. An FRP games representative stated in The Milwaukee Journal, 11/5/81, that "these games are teaching the difference between right and wrong." In D&D even lawful good characters kill many other human characters in the name of duty to eradicate evil. The words demon, devil and hell appear a total of 225 times in eight pages of Deities and Demigods (pages 16-23), and encourages the worship of them as lesser gods (page 105). Anddd, My Personal Favorite: Dr. Gary North, a Christian economist, author of the book None Dare Call It Witchcraft, and editor of the Remnant Review, said this: "Without any doubt in my own mind, after years of study of the history of occultism, after having researched historical research, I can say with confidence: These games are the most effective, most magnificently packaged, most profitably marked, most thoroughly researched introduction to the occult in man's recorded history, period. This is NO game." (Remnant Review, 12/5/80) Check out the rest of this Mini-Article here: http://www.webzonecom.com/ccn/cults/satn07.txt __________________ Spinach in Need is Spinach Indeed

08-15-2003, 09:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
TerresqueÜ Hiding Out	People are so stupid...They take everything out of proportion cuz they like to ruin peoples fun! __________________ Say yes to the 'Tilted Roleplaying' Forum http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1932&highlight=petition

08-15-2003, 11:50 PM	#6 (permalink)
Raw Kuts Insane Location: San Diego, CA	Why would a gamer want to commit suicide? I mean... HL2, Doom3, Halo2, Soul Caliber 2 (in english), Jedi Academy, and more! You can contemplate suicide when there is a lull in the good games department, but wait a few months and it always gets better (if not, break out the classics). __________________ ( o< --!"Take that bass out you're voice, you talk to me in treble." / / \ \/_/_ -->Mos Def

08-16-2003, 01:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	yeah... this is crazy stuff... I actually wrote a paper about this last semester well gaming in general, so i touched both topics electronic and P&P... I wonder if I can find the article where they guy said that in NO way is D&D the occult. Another article was how a Psychologist used a kid's D&D sessions to help him open up by relating thru his character. As he did things thru his character he learned about himself, and was able to become an able-bodied individual... I remember playing D&D.... and beating up deamons, and banishing them from this world. I remember beating up thugs, and thus making it a better place (even tho there was always something else ). Here's a good one for you.. They say "demon" is mentioned a lot.. Now I ask you this: How many times is "Satan" printed in the Bible? ................ Hmm this leads me to believe that the bible promotes evil and evil ways, as it shows you how to follow satan and helps children to know what are sins, so they can be better sinners..... (Ain't it great to turn things back around? ) And yes, I am a christian myself. __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.

08-16-2003, 09:11 PM	#12 (permalink)
t3m3st Vroom! Location: Toronto	Remeber the whole anti-Harry Potter compaign? Some schools banned it, and I think i remember hearing about a book burning somewhere? __________________ I do it for the rare drops

08-15-2003, 06:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
wario Insane	As much fun as it is to laugh at these people, it kinda makes me wonder what my kids are going to do someday that I will think is evil. But that's still many many years off, so let's laugh. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

08-15-2003, 11:19 PM	#5 (permalink)
Apokx Yo dawg, I herd u like... Location: memes.	People fear what they don't understand. ...but some are just fucking retarded.

08-15-2003, 11:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
h2g2Fan Loser Location: University of Maryland at College Park	Internet forums are evil, and anyone who posts in one is under the influence of Satan.

08-16-2003, 11:39 AM	#8 (permalink)
Apokx Yo dawg, I herd u like... Location: memes.	Shhh!

08-16-2003, 12:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
Stare At The Sun Eh? Location: Somewhere over the rainbow	stupid close minded people. Alas, not much you can do. I wonder if warhammer 40k is a satan game...cause Chaos has gods, demons/daemons etc etc

08-16-2003, 12:50 PM	#10 (permalink)
Buk Addict Location: Seattle, WA	As a christian I'd like to point out that nowhere in the bible does it say playing fantasy RPGs or rolling dice is evil and means you are going to hell. These are just interpretations of a few individuals and to think that everyone who believes in the same religion as them thinks the same way is just as ignorant.

08-16-2003, 10:03 PM	#13 (permalink)
ningato Upright	Just so you know mass murders are at an almost 100% record for having a bible.

08-16-2003, 11:56 PM	#14 (permalink)
Apokx Yo dawg, I herd u like... Location: memes.	People should remember that Nazi's burned books. "When YOU burn books,you burn books with Hitler!"

08-18-2003, 03:02 PM	#15 (permalink)
Nad Adam Psycho Location: Sweden	What the hell is a christian economist and why would anyone need one? __________________ Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. - Psalms 137:9

09-26-2003, 09:54 AM	#16 (permalink)
NeverBorn I'm a pepper bitch..	Its called Scapegoating..

09-27-2003, 12:04 PM	#18 (permalink)
fugue_life Insane Location: under the stairs	My high school banned "Magic:the gathering" from being played on school grounds because parents felt it had an evil "satanic" influence on our fragile high school minds. People are morons __________________ ba-weep=gra=na-weep-nini-bon?

09-28-2003, 08:18 AM	#19 (permalink)
Pellaz Addict Location: Texas	Best...thread title....ever When I was 15 or so, my mother bought a book called "Like lambs to the Slaughter". It told all about the evil's of dnd and how if you watched star wars you were doomed to an eternity in hell. I think she bought into for about a year before she gave up and moved on. I keep meaning to pick up a copy of it for shit's and grins someday. __________________ " ' Big Mouth. Remember it took three of you to kill me. A god, a boy, and, last and least, a hero.' "

09-30-2003, 04:29 PM	#20 (permalink)
JimmyTheHutt Psycho Location: Hell (Phoenix AZ)	Famed author Michael Stackpole wrote a fantastic rebuttle to all these sorts of claims a few years ago. You can find it here: http://www.rpgstudies.net/stackpole/pulling_report.html Its pretty good stuff. Veritas en Lux! Jimmy The Hutt __________________ Think Jabba, only with more hair and vestigal legs.... "This isn't a nightmare, its real. Nightmare's end." -ShadowDancer

09-30-2003, 05:27 PM	#21 (permalink)
Moonduck Junkie Location: SE USA	When I was about 10 or 11 years old (20 years ago, damn I feel old), my mother caught onto the "D&D is evil" thing and started to worry about me playing. I invited her to play and ran her through an adventure or two. When she saw what it was all about, she backed off. I have a cool Mom.

09-30-2003, 09:03 PM	#22 (permalink)
Czernobog Insane Location: NJ	Its amazing how quickly people blame something they don't understand for all the worlds ills. __________________ Embrace the flame

10-01-2003, 06:24 AM	#23 (permalink)
dragonhawk Psycho Location: In Games.	I had to talk to a reporter back in the 80's about this. I was president of our local gaming club. Right after that stupid movie came out, where the kid in the gaming group couldn't tell fantasy from the "real world (tm)". The reporter did a good job, and even started coming to games after the article. Oh, and fugue_life, Magic:The gathering should be banned from schools. It is worse than crack (YuGiOh is the current "banned" game from my kids school, but mainly because the kids are distracted from doing school work.) __________________ ---------------------------------------------- "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.