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I noticed that as well.
And who's funeral did Jack go to? When he was talking to Kate, I assumed it was Sawyer's, but then she told Jack that "he" would be waiting. Definitely a noodle scratcher....and one fine season ender, for the most part. Going to have watch that one again, I think.
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Radioguy:
After the viewing, at the hospital Jack tells the new chief of surgery to go get his Dad and see who is more drunk. If that was Jack's father in the casket, he may be pickled, but I doubt he's drunk.
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Folks, this was an AMAZING episode.
Hurley bailing down out of the trees in Papa Roger's minibus was just BEAUTIFUL. The whole thing down in the Looking Glass (whose logo is a Dharma symbol with a bunny in the middle?) was totally intense and amazing--a LOST scene in its finest form. Charlie got a GREAT episode to go out on. We'll see him again in flashbacks, of course, but I know I'll miss him. |
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Looking Glass? Rabbit? Hmmmm....
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Mikhail is a very strange and unique little character. I think his ability to escape death is not something that anyone could really rely on, particularly Charlie. He's escaped two events that are pretty certainly seemed fatal. Though, I have to say, the instant I saw Mikhail go down in this one, I instantly thought of the scene from Army of Darkness where Ash says, "It's a trick. Get an ax." I think even the island would have a hard time trying to put that back together.
Overall, that was one hell of an episode. I'd certainly echo what RB said and here's to Charlie. I'm not TOTALLY sure why he picked that end, since I'm not sure it's what any of us envisioned when Desmond first prophesized his end, particularly with the realization that Naomi wasn't who she said she was, but I suppose he believes enough in the need to save Claire and Aaron that he was willing to make that sacrifice. Long hard wait ahead of us until next season. See you all then. |
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My best hunch is that it was Sawyer in the casket. A dumpy funeral home in a bad part of town and nobody at the funeral. Jack is asked if he is friend or family and he says "neither", does that fit anyone else? (However, I really like the idea that it's Ben in the casket. Can you imagine him living in LA?) The Jack's Dad thing is really giving me the heebie-jeebie's. Doesn't the body have to be embalmed to travel via commercial airline? Everytime we're seen him on the island, he's dressed in a suit. The whole "Jack's dad is now alive" thing has me leaning toward rip in the fabric of time/space, alternate universe theory, but that doesn't explain the weird healing properties of the island. Guess I'm just confused and geeked out. Good finale! ![]()
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Assuming that the "flash-forward" is a definite course of events, then Ben is a liar, but we already knew that. He told Jack that everyone on the island would die if contact to the boat was made, but that can't possibly be true. Claire and the baby are gonna get in the helicopter, this has to happen according to Desmond's vision. Now I'm wondering if everything in the "flash-forward" episode will definitely happen (fate/destiny) or if there are events that can occur on the island yet that will change what happens in the future (free will). And agreed, Mikhail is pretty hard-core. How do you survive both a sonic pulse and a spear to the chest, and still have the strength to swim out (in full scuba gear) and take out Charlie?? He's probably still alive. |
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I think Mikhail is becoming a kind of Anti-Locke, embodying the uh, Dark Side of the Island.
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I don't know what the hell is going on....time to hit the forums and see what everybody else thinks, eh?
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#373 (permalink) |
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What about Michael?
That didn't really seem like a Sawyer church, if you know what I mean. I understand the realities of filming schedules, but isn't it a little strange that in a couple of months of show-time, Walt looks to be years older? And was he with John when they rejoined the other survivors?
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My brilliant bride pointed this out last night: When Locke had the gun on Jack and Jack was connecting to the boat, Locke said something to the effect of, "Jack, you weren't supposed to do that." As if Locke was shown by Walt how the present was supposed to play out and Jack fucked it up somehow.
Also, we were part of the 600 million Tivo owners who tried to freeze-frame on the newspaper article to see whose funeral it was, but we couldn't do it. We also tried to freeze on Kate's license plate at the end and couldn't make it out, although other websites are reporting it said LOKO695 (I don't know how in the hell they got that). If you don't feel like bearing with me anymore, then skip to the next post. Otherwise, here I go off the deep end. I've heard the show's creators refer to Stephen King's inspiration before in previous interviews, and this episode reminded me of Kingdom Hospital. If you didn't see all of that (or forgot it), here's what I'm talking about. Kingdom Hospital explored the space-time continuum paradox from the opposite viewpoint from normal. For example, in every sci-fi story where people alter space-time, they always fuck it up so that they return to a new present that is in terrible shape because of their thoughtlessness. However, Kingdom Hospital gave us a present time that was already seriously fucked up and bizarre and the show's characters went back in time to "set things right." They then returned to a new present that was perfectly normal and happy. I now have no idea where I was going with that, but I don't feel like hitting delete after all that effort. My brain hurts.
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I say it was Locke's funeral.
Locke's health is connected to the Island, so his death on the mainland represents a true and final break of that connection. Future Jack desparately wants to re-establish that connection to fix things, so that's why Locke's death is so devestating. The door has been closed for good and the magic is gone. He blames himself for not heeding Locke's warning at the Radio Tower. Also, Locke is now a rogue lostie and killer with his own agenda, which would explain why nobody would go to his funeral. Furthermore, in the future it appears that Kate and the others have put the island behind them so they would naturally avoid Locke's potent connection. EDIT: Perhaps I'm overthinking it. Future Jack wants to go back to the island and Lock didn't want to leave the island but all the others didn't. The rest are avoiding the drunk and and kook so nobody but Jack at Locke's funeral. It's going to be a long summer.
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Only in the future tense I bet, though there could be a prolonged "on-the-boat" storyline. There's still plenty of Island/Others lore to play out, and I'm hoping they're going to toy with alternate futures given how miserable Jack becomes.
Are we missing anyone's backstory? If not, I think we're going to get more flashforwards woven through as a convention instead. It could be a bit like Momento.
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I'm hoping Locke didn't leave the island. Once Jack gets his folks together and finds the island, I'm looking forward to seeing what's been going on there.
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Here's a link to the best picture I've seen so far of the obituary.
Kingdom Hospital, eh, warr? You know, I wouldn't have made the connection myself, but now that you mention it..
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I think there were several connections to other stories, I just can't think of them all. Jack in the future, he needs help. He wants to be the leader he was on the island, but never will be. Kate and most of the others have moved on, but I'm guessing it's Sawyer who she is getting back to. I have a feeling Charlie didn't die, so we'll see him again. Locke, whoa, he's serving his (or the island's) agenda.
I think it's ben's funeral He lied to everyone, his dad and mom are dead. I couldn't gather anything from that clipping. Oh well, on to more speculation. |
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#382 (permalink) |
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Why didn't Charlie just leave the room then shut the door and seal it? That really didn't make sense to me at all.
If the boat was not Penny's then why did Naomi have a picture of Desmond? And how did Ben know she wasn't with Penny. I'm wondering if Ben somehow shot down Naomi's chopper. Also we know the future is not fixed but fate is. Desmond has been able to change the future for Charlie many times but Charlie had a fate that he had to follow. The question now is were the losties fated for the island. |
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The picture of the clipping looked like "The body of Jo.." to me...so perhaps it is Locke's funeral. Jack certainly isn't a friend or relative of Locke's, and Locke doesnt have any family left (that we know of)
Rekna, I wondered the same thing about Charlie shutting the door. So, did Mikhail blow himself up with the grenade? Is he still alive?
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#384 (permalink) |
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Location: Midwest
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Lots of mysteries for next season.
One item not mentioned - was I the only one sorry to see Tom knocked off? I thought the character of Tom was one of the best in the show - he had a inner loyalty conflict that made him one of the more facinating 'others'. With some of Ben's main compatriots being axed, I think we'll see a shift from the others being the main threat. If that is the case, it will be interesting to see how Ben and the others interact with the castaways. |
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of course charlie could have gotten out, but he knew that if he survived, then claire and the baby wouldn't. it's that simple. i don't think that we can analyze why he didn't leave. he didn't have a choice. if he survived, they wouldn't get off the island. charlie was ready to make the ultimate sacrifice of giving his life for the safety of the others he loves
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The water acted correctly; it would have filled the room and the air would have just been compressed. There would have been a small pocket of air left somewhere, but with 40' (?) of water above, it would have come rushing in, although at a much higher rate than on the show. I'll forgive that kind of indiscretion, though. Remember, air compresses; water doesn't.
Could he have fit through the porthole? Possibly. Could Desmond gotten there with scuba equipment in time? Probably not. I think that the point is that Charlie just sort of gave up when his fate reached him. He didn't fight it; he embraced it. Sort of fitting after his drug struggle.
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Location: Victoria
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I thought the season finale was great. I can't remember when I figured out we were watching the present, but I had a feeling that something was wrong throughout the whole episode. It just seemed weird that Jack was an addict and that he was going to a funeral for someone unknown to us. And I don't think it's Locke, as someone previously said. The name starts with "Jo" but there's also "_antham" after that. I'll be happy to be surprised when the show starts up again, so I won't be looking up every character's name in an effort to discover if it's someone we already know. However, it could be someone high up from the ship that Jack radios. If he wants to get back to the island then he would be upset that someone who knows where it is is now dead.
I figure that Charlie must have believed that if he lived then Claire would not be saved. It's the only explanation given the size of the porthole that's in the background when we see him floating in the room. There's no way that he couldn't swim through that thing, it's enormous. I don't even want to think about the implications for the next few seasons now that we've seen that the Lost get off the island. I don't think I'll enjoy watching 2-3 seasons of island-episodes when we know they get off; conversely, I'm not sure how I feel about watching episodes of Jack recruiting people to try to get back to the island. I'll just be waiting patiently till next season, hoping it doesn't disappoint. -Tamerlain
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Saw this on Digg and thought I'd post it here for general consumption.
It's a compilation of all the events surrounding the plane crash. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ierynZLSLHk Over 9 minutes and very well done, in my opinion.
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