Lindy

I was going to post in LCfedup's I need some advice thread, but decided it was enough off of her topic that it would be threadjacking.
Has anyone else noticed that porn has changed? I was in high school when I first watched porn. Probably about 1992. Back then it was tapes. It wasn't on computers. Remember dialup? It was mostly (from what I recall) boy/girl sex. Lots of oral (Dr. Fellatio) and basic fucking. Occasional girl/girl, or 2 girls one guy. Everbody got off, and a good time was had by all.
I really think that today’s porn is much more abusive towards us women. I remember a porn starr named Oral Annie who could easily “deep throat” any guy. Any guy. Easily. Without breaking a sweat. Even Ron Jeremy, and believe it or not, at one time Ron was thin. Peter North was young, and I wanted his cock. But I digress. Anyway, that’s how long ago this was. But anyway, that’s not good enough now. Now the audience seems to WANT to see the woman choke and gag!
Boy/girl? No! Now it has to be 2 or 3 guys with one girl, double penetration vaginal/anal with oral on the other end while somebody like –I can’t think of his name- forces deep throat while holding the girl’s nose! And, can we please, at least once in a while, have a scene without anal? And every cumshot has to be a facial, of course. (I love the feel of a penis in my hands, and jerking a guy off, but I hate facials!) And where did all the good-looking guys go??
So, are we now teaching a new generation that this is what sex is all about? I’m no angel. Counting oral and handjobs, I was probably with a dozen boys before I was sixteen, but they were all one-on-one. My fifteen year old niece has already been with two guys at the same time! And that’s in Kansas!
Am I just turning into a reactionary conservative fossil at age 31? Was porn always like it is now? Or does anyone else remember more “innocent” porn?

Lindy

My Dad -who knows quite a bit about old porn 'cause for years we rented videos at our store- once had someone tell him that porn was like going to a nice restaurant and paying to sit there and watch other people eat a nice dinner.

Sage

I would say that yeah, porn has "changed," in the sense that now there is more variety, but I think that reflects a societal attitude that is more open to porn watching.

I do think that porn shows more "violence" towards women, but I again think that reflects more of a changing attitude in society than anything else.

I, for one, think that there is any type of porn you are interested in out there. There's vanilla porn, soft core, hard core, XXX hard core, two on one, three on one, gangbang, orgy, anal only, oral only, fisting, amazing penetrations, and on and on and on. You just have to know where to look for it.

I'm the type that likes rough sex. I enjoy seeing it in porn, and am glad that it's easier to find. HOWEVER, if you really observe porn you'll notice that 97% of the time the girl is faking it. I don't like that at all! I'm glad that I have a husband that is picky enough to take the time to find porn in which the girl is actually having a good time (or at least fakes it good enough that I can't tell.)

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jewels

I love that!

There is a lot of selection out there, but people can choose what they like. I think there was always lots of offbeat stuff, but it wasn't as 'out there' as it is now, thanks to the internet and the ease of which we share information.

As for the kids, just teach them right from wrong, especially when it comes to relationships, and you'll have done what you can. Hopefully, they'll be able to recognize that not everyone's fantasies are right for them.

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ngdawg

Porn will always be changing, feeding what the public wants.
It's funny as hell to watch porn clips from 30 years ago and see mounds of hair and the lack of plastic body parts.
Porn used to be in theatres-we'd go every now and then. And not little seedy off-street theatres but right there on the main road with seating for a hundred or more.
Some great porn 'stars' from then-Jamie Gillis, Ron Jeremy, Mai Lee(sp?), Johnny "Wad" Holmes...and Hustler magazine every issue would rate the latest movies with a fully erect penis as their 4 stars. So we'd buy the issue, check out their reviews and either go see a movie or rent one.
When videos became more popular, the movie houses stopped showing the porn, which was ok, but then regulations started coming along. The list's acronym is FIRST, but all I can recall of that is no incest, no rape "allowed". (yea, right) Only the more lucrative porn production companies adhere to it, naturally.
A lot of the movies came out through a production company called "Miracle Productions". Their slogan on every film: If it's good, it's a Miracle."

creepysusie

I actually took a class in Victorian pornography in literary works as well as a couple of early pornographic films.

Frankly, other than technological advances and some changes to alter the thinly veiled plot, I don't think much has actually changed at all, but rather it has only changed enough to cater to the audience. There is more variety, but overall it's the same. But I don't really study the porn industry today, though.
From many of the films in the Victorian England, much of it was very explicit, but because the technology was so new at the time, close up shots and other type of film techniques that we take for granted are less seen or seen more than usual as a way of showing off skill (the camera, not the penis)

I mean, things change with time, but I found that early porn and the mediocre porn today had many similarities (on an academic level). I looked at how the films focused on seducer and the "fallen woman". But looking at pornograpy from the beginning of film to just before the rise of the feminist moevement, it was pretty normal to see a man in a superior job seduce a younger female employee (if you want to see something really really really really funny, try to find "The Casting Couch". It's a silent porno film. SOO FUNNY). But after the Florence Nightingale and other suffragette movements, you see porn shift towards a more 'violent' aspect towards woman because free women became such an important issue. Even prostitution was at a greater demand from the suffragettes, indirectly.

So, yes, pornography has changed, but not by a whole lot. It's only a response to political and social issues that happen. Look at "Pirates" for example; response to "Pirates of the Caribean". But I still find that this idea of "violence towards women" to be rather unsettling. And considering that there are snuff films and fake rape type stuff for certain crowds, I worry what kind of society we live in that produces such violence from freedom.

mixedmedia

This at the crux of my thoughts lately. I just don't feel like I'm ready for the 'manifesto,' yet.

And I started a new job today so I'm more distracted than usual.

But I've been wondering how the progression of women's rights has perhaps, in one way, backfired on us and made our aspect, at the least, more vulnerable than ever. I think it's an interesting idea...

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genuinegirly

I wanted to say thank you for starting this thread.

I have no adequate frame of reference, and therefore no idea how to respond. I think this is one I'm just going to have to sit back on and watch you folks hash it out.

What an incredibly deep thought. Wow. I have to chew on this.

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KRM28152

I think I can honestly say pornography has changed, and I think I can say, with the same honesty, that it has changed for the worse.

I was doing research on old, hard-to-find movies, trying to find my mom her favorite movie for mother's day and I typed in "hard-to-find" movies in Google. Somehow I ended up on this horrible website where they were selling Japanese porn VHS and DVDs...and let me tell you...I about threw up.

They were selling movies showing girls having sex with octopuses, eels, and even a dog. I mean -come on- people. Is that really porn? Or just some sick excuse to push the boundaries of normal human behavior for the sake of saying that you (the cinematographers) did?

I don't know. I prefer the older stuff, if just for the innocence of it all.

About the kids? A friend of my family is 13, and she lost her virginity in a movie theater. And that's in Kannapolis, NC, lol.

Thank you for bringing this topic up, I throughly agree.

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creepysusie

I definately agree. I mean, even in early silent porn films, sex with mystical creatures (the devil primarily) had it's own sense of non humanistic aspect.

Now certain sects of pornography has turned violent and repulsive.

I'm not saying that porn leads to violence; there is not enough conclusive evidence to point the argument into that direction. I mean, not all porn is like that.

This doesn't only affect women either. In the 80's we had laws to protect children from certain dangers, and then we have a slew of child pornography rings arise (or just found). Rare do we see any pornography reflect any sense of equality that we strive for in. In fact, what we are prohibiting is actually growing in this sector.

I'm not a psych major, but it seems like natural human behaviour for us to crave the things that are not allowed, but how far is too far?

snowy

Modern porn reduces men and women to body parts. Most of it is objectifying and dehumanizing on both sides.

As for "weird" porn--that's always existed; it's just easier to come by now. I once had a long conversation with an adult shop employee about the weirdest video he ever sold during the many years he had worked at the shop. Evidently it involved sex and ground beef.

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creepysusie

Porn is not the only thing that does that
Advertising as well.
Check out Jean Kilbourne's film "Killing Us Softly" (It's on Google Video)
BRILLIANT WOMAN

Especially in the realm of condoms and beer commercials
My favourite ad was a pair of breasts clad only with a bra with a condom pack sticking out from under it.

Sweetpea

hmmmm... well, I think there is still plenty of basic porn out there. As far as 2 on 1 or 'rougher' it really depends on which company produces, I have noticed some companies tend to go with the more variety, 'rougher' sex.

As for me, I like anal sex and usually watch that type of porn and fast forward between the more basic scenes without it, so I can't really comment on that.

The biggest difference I have noticed is the massive amounts of spit the women use when they give oral... and franky, they are doing that on purpose, because hey... you know, ppl do have the ability to swallow... it's all for visual affect.

Porn is porn. It's men and women getting paid to have sex together for the entertainment of those who watch it....

It's something that needs to be taken with a grain of salt, it's not real life... it's fantasy.

my gf doesn't like watching porn, just because she thinks it's so trite and fake and we can create a sexier time than anything we'd see on the screen...
my husband and I do like porn tho and watch it during sex the two of us...

so meh... porn is fake and unreal... as substainal as cotton candy... but sometimes that can be interesting.

The one thing you have to separate when watching porn is that it's a fantasy and should not have affect on real life gender roles... as long as someone can separate the two... (and hopefully ppl will educate themselves to know the difference) it's a-okay that it's gotten a little rougher in some production companies.

sweetpea

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Jenna

I think it's evolving because everyone has fantasies, even crazy ones, and now they're able to get them online and make a lot of money from them.