Will they use truth serum on Suddam? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Jesus Pimp · 12-15-2003, 05:46 AM

He doesn't seem like he'll be talking and giving away valuable information willingly. Will they use truth serum in the end to get him to talk?

Silvy · 12-15-2003, 05:53 AM

Have you seen him?
the man I saw on the first tapes and pictures looked worn, tired and hopeless. He's got no reason not to cooperate. The game is all over for him.
The only thing I'm wondering is: Will he put up a show on his trial, just like Milosevic did? He might use the media attention at the trial to rouse support for him, show that he is still strong. But off camera, and in the coming weeks it looks like he won't be a problem.

SecretMethod70 · 12-15-2003, 07:53 AM

Well, from what I've heard he's not really helping. Basically just saying the same BS he's been saying all along.

Honestly, at this point I think he's probably a bit delusional and has been lying so much he actually believes it now. Being on the run the way he was for so many months will do that to you when you're used to living in palaces and having people just listen to everything you say.

Peetster · 12-15-2003, 07:59 AM

He'll be treated with human dignaty, which is more than anyone can say about how he treated his people.

Fallon · 12-15-2003, 08:15 AM

I doubt he'll talk. If he talks, it'll show more of a reason for the invasion and such. If he doesn't, it'll drag on and on.
And I bet he knows that too.
Even though he's been captured, he still has power over us. He knows whether or not Iraq has WMD or not.

lightning · 12-15-2003, 08:22 AM

These wussy terrorists always give it up. It's not like the good old American mafia (they usually don't talk). But the government will use lots of devious techniques also. Sleep deprivation, hunger, forcing caffiene, withholding vitamins, other mental manipulation... whatever it takes. He will give it up, for certain.

feelgood · 12-15-2003, 09:07 AM

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Originally posted by Fallon
Even though he's been captured, he still has power over us. He knows whether or not Iraq has WMD or not.

I think that question has obviously been answered during the past year campaign in Iraq...

United States has nothing left to gain from Saddam, why try to deprieve intelligenece from him? Maybe to figure out somethign about the AlQueda or the rebel force but there's no real information to be gain..is there?

BuddyHawks · 12-15-2003, 09:13 AM

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Originally posted by feelgood
but there's no real information to be gain..is there?

I can't think of anything.

Conclamo Ludus · 12-15-2003, 09:32 AM

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Originally posted by BuddyHawks
I can't think of anything.

We'll never know unless we ask.

krwlz · 12-15-2003, 09:41 AM

I would assume the "Blood work" they were planning to do on him to make sure its him... Is probably more then blood work.

I'll bet they do whatever they have to to make him talk.

skysooner · 12-15-2003, 11:01 AM

Bullies like this are usually cowards. Hitler took the easy way out by suicide. He should sing like a canary.

moonstrucksoul · 12-15-2003, 11:10 AM

he'll talk if u offer him a nice bath, a haircut and good meal. but the Goverment will probably extract everything they need out of him, one way or another.

The_Dude · 12-15-2003, 11:12 AM

maybe he'll tell us the location of the wmd that didnt exist in the first place

dannyboy21 · 12-15-2003, 11:13 AM

Probably not as the first option, but I reckon it's highly possible somewhere down the line when people get tired of hearing bs over and over again...

Mael · 12-15-2003, 12:18 PM

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Originally posted by SecretMethod70
Well, from what I've heard he's not really helping. Basically just saying the same BS he's been saying all along.

Honestly, at this point I think he's probably a bit delusional and has been lying so much he actually believes it now. Being on the run the way he was for so many months will do that to you when you're used to living in palaces and having people just listen to everything you say.

so far, i think 4 people in the thread have said that he's telling us bs... but what if he's telling the truth? i see no reason to believe him, per se, but he's got his story and he's sticking to it... might just be the truth... stranger things have happened...

Halx · 12-15-2003, 12:23 PM

Xell101 · 12-15-2003, 12:35 PM

I bet we took so long to capture him so we could see where he goes and nail as many people as possible, then nabbed him before anything bad could happens, he did have 750K on him.

Spartak · 12-15-2003, 12:57 PM

From what I heard he said that he had no WMDs or any intention of producing them at the time of the invasion, and the USA made up that story in an excuse to invade his country. Im guessing they didn't like that one bit.

Oh, and AFAIK no miracle "truth serum" actually exists.

essendoubleop · 12-15-2003, 01:06 PM

nash · 12-15-2003, 01:09 PM

I totally agree with Halx.

Conclamo Ludus · 12-15-2003, 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by nash
I totally agree with Halx.

I didn't get it, but then again I am slow.

World's King · 12-15-2003, 01:34 PM

The first thing they did when they got him was drug the shit outta him. If you look at the footage you can tell he's fucked up. He couldn't stand still... his eyes were glossed over... he looked like a college freshman after his first big party.

rainheart · 12-15-2003, 01:40 PM

Yo, do you even know what the possible side effects of truth serum are? Look it up, it ain't good. Basically they run a chance of killing him.

Conclamo Ludus · 12-15-2003, 01:42 PM

Does "truth serum" even exist? How does it work?

Phaenx · 12-15-2003, 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by rainheart
Yo, do you even know what the possible side effects of truth serum are? Look it up, it ain't good. Basically they run a chance of killing him.

I'll take that chance.

Also, I'd make him wear a frilly pink dress to his trial.

Mehoni · 12-15-2003, 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by Phaenx
I'll take that chance.

Also, I'd make him wear a frilly pink dress to his trial.

The way you're talking, one would think that Saddam did something to you personally, like running over your dog.

Phaenx · 12-15-2003, 02:16 PM

You're acting like he's your girlfriend or something. I do take it personally, he's an enemy of my country.

Mehoni · 12-15-2003, 02:30 PM

Well, he could never be my girlfriend, since I don't like girls. :P

Anyway, so you feel that everyone your country considers an enemy should die? (your country, that btw, only cares about human rights when it suits you) No trial, no nothing? How about some justice?

I don't like Saddam, but I can't view him as entierly evil. Because he's not. I just wish that he, as anyone else regardless of their crime, will get a fair trial. I don't belive in "an eye for an eye" and bullshit like that.

I also feel that we have no right to take someonelses life, regardless of their crime.

There are countries in the same state as Iraq was, but the US still considers them friends or neutrals and most importantly, don't care about their actions.

How do you feel about Saudi Arabia supporting the Taliban-regime?

Seaver · 12-15-2003, 02:32 PM

There IS such thing as truth serum. It is a mix of different salts in the right proportions, it's salt water basically, but takes a scientist to get it right. I have no doubt they'll use it on Saddam.

But, out of all the different torture techniques the one that is proven time and time again to be the most effective is sleep disorder. I am currently in the naval flight program, and for that you need to complete SERE school. It is highly classified, but what I can tell you is when you graduate they have done (almost) everything a real POW camp will put you through. After 4 days of not sleeping you litterally have no idea what is real and what is not. So when someone asks you the exact same question every 5 min you will tell them the answer eventually, your mind just breaks down.

That is why I think it's dumb with all the news agencies asking to know how the interogations are being taken place at Guantanamo. We dont use physical pain torture in the US because 1) it doesnt work 90% of the time, and 2) our culture simply doesnt believe in putting another human being through something like that.

Conclamo Ludus · 12-15-2003, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by Seaver
There IS such thing as truth serum. It is a mix of different salts in the right proportions, it's salt water basically, but takes a scientist to get it right. I have no doubt they'll use it on Saddam.

But, out of all the different torture techniques the one that is proven time and time again to be the most effective is sleep disorder. I am currently in the naval flight program, and for that you need to complete SERE school. It is highly classified, but what I can tell you is when you graduate they have done (almost) everything a real POW camp will put you through. After 4 days of not sleeping you litterally have no idea what is real and what is not. So when someone asks you the exact same question every 5 min you will tell them the answer eventually, your mind just breaks down.

That is why I think it's dumb with all the news agencies asking to know how the interogations are being taken place at Guantanamo. We dont use physical pain torture in the US because 1) it doesnt work 90% of the time, and 2) our culture simply doesnt believe in putting another human being through something like that.

The sleep deprivation makes a lot of sense. I've heard that after 48 hours its not uncommon to experience minor hallucinations from dozing halfway in and out of sleep.

Kaos · 12-15-2003, 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by Conclamo Ludus
I didn't get it, but then again I am slow.

I think Halx is referring to Metallica's Ride The Lightning. (Give him the Electric Chair)

Conclamo Ludus · 12-15-2003, 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by Kaos
I think Halx is referring to Metallica's Ride The Lightning. (Give him the Electric Chair)

Aha. Thanks.

Journeyman · 12-15-2003, 03:27 PM

I imagine the situation might go something like this.

*injection*
*wait*
Interrogator: "What is your name?"
Saddam: "Saddam Hussein."
I: "What is your occupation?"
S: "Former president of the Republic of Iraq, currently a prisoner of the United States."
I: "At any point in the months leading up to, during, or after the recent invasion of your country, were any weapons of mass destruction present within your borders?"
S: "No."
I: "Fuck."

Sapper · 12-15-2003, 03:34 PM

Guys .. you can only tell the truth when there is a truth to be told.

Have you ever considered that _perhaps_ Saddam has been telling the truth about W.O.M. ? Or are you all still brain-washed about the existence of such weapons?

Mael · 12-15-2003, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by Kaos
I think Halx is referring to Metallica's Ride The Lightning. (Give him the Electric Chair)

actually, i think he was referring to the use of metallica for torture. there was a story a couple months ago how it was being used on iraqi pow's or something like that and making them talk.

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Originally posted by Sapper
Guys .. you can only tell the truth when there is a truth to be told.

Have you ever considered that _perhaps_ Saddam has been telling the truth about W.O.M. ? Or are you all still brain-washed about the existence of such weapons?

that's what i tried to say... but i'll reserve final judgement 'till later.

Spartak · 12-15-2003, 09:29 PM

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Originally posted by Phaenx
I do take it personally, he's an enemy of my country.

Just out of curiosity, what harm did he do to your country specifically ?

drawerfixer · 12-15-2003, 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by Journeyman
I imagine the situation might go something like this.

*injection*
*wait*
Interrogator: "What is your name?"
Saddam: "Saddam Hussein."
I: "What is your occupation?"
S: "Former president of the Republic of Iraq, currently a prisoner of the United States."
I: "At any point in the months leading up to, during, or after the recent invasion of your country, were any weapons of mass destruction present within your borders?"
S: "No."
I: "Fuck."

AFAIK, there is no 'truth serum' I guess Seaver is in the military and might know more than me, but I haven't heard, read, or seen anything in my lifetime to show that there is a working truth drug.

Phaenx · 12-15-2003, 10:40 PM

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Originally posted by Spartak
Just out of curiosity, what harm did he do to your country specifically ?

1) Fought our soldiers in the gulf war.
2) Attempted to assassinate President George H.W. Bush.
3) Repeatedly fired on USAF planes patroling no fly zones over Iraq.
4) Ignored ban on WMD's.
5) Refused to provide proof of the destruction of illegal weapons previously verified a short few years before.
6) Again fought our soldiers in operation Iraqi freedom.

Make him do customer service for AOL while an angry bear skullfucks him in the eyesocket.

Phaenx · 12-15-2003, 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by Sapper
Guys .. you can only tell the truth when there is a truth to be told.

Have you ever considered that _perhaps_ Saddam has been telling the truth about W.O.M. ? Or are you all still brain-washed about the existence of such weapons?

There was NEVER a question that he had the weapons. 1448 specifically requested that he prove he destroyed them, or he'd get his ass handed to him.

We're not brainwashed at all, it just turned out that the security council is corrupt, and liberals take advantage of this fact.

Spartak · 12-16-2003, 12:46 AM

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Originally posted by Phaenx
6 points

I struggle to see how any of that ammounts to actual harm to the United States. If he assassinated Bush Sr or launched a rocket full of Sarin into a major US city, yes that would be great harm and sure justification. But for a man to become an enemy of the state for largely attempted (and hardly proven) harm, in my opinion, is idealised to say the least.

12-15-2003, 05:46 AM	#1 (permalink)
Jesus Pimp The Original JizzSmacka	Will they use truth serum on Suddam? He doesn't seem like he'll be talking and giving away valuable information willingly. Will they use truth serum in the end to get him to talk? __________________ Never date anyone who doesn't make your dick hard.

12-15-2003, 05:53 AM	#2 (permalink)
Silvy paranoid Location: The Netherlands	Have you seen him? the man I saw on the first tapes and pictures looked worn, tired and hopeless. He's got no reason not to cooperate. The game is all over for him. The only thing I'm wondering is: Will he put up a show on his trial, just like Milosevic did? He might use the media attention at the trial to rouse support for him, show that he is still strong. But off camera, and in the coming weeks it looks like he won't be a problem. __________________ "Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. " - Murphy MacManus (Boondock Saints)

12-15-2003, 07:53 AM	#3 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	Well, from what I've heard he's not really helping. Basically just saying the same BS he's been saying all along. Honestly, at this point I think he's probably a bit delusional and has been lying so much he actually believes it now. Being on the run the way he was for so many months will do that to you when you're used to living in palaces and having people just listen to everything you say. __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

12-15-2003, 11:10 AM	#12 (permalink)
moonstrucksoul hovering in the distance Location: the land of milk and honey	he'll talk if u offer him a nice bath, a haircut and good meal. but the Goverment will probably extract everything they need out of him, one way or another. __________________ no signature required Last edited by moonstrucksoul; 12-15-2003 at 11:24 AM..

12-15-2003, 11:12 AM	#13 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	maybe he'll tell us the location of the wmd that didnt exist in the first place __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

12-15-2003, 07:59 AM	#4 (permalink)
Peetster Right Now Location: Home	He'll be treated with human dignaty, which is more than anyone can say about how he treated his people.

12-15-2003, 08:15 AM	#5 (permalink)
Fallon Junkie Location: RI	I doubt he'll talk. If he talks, it'll show more of a reason for the invasion and such. If he doesn't, it'll drag on and on. And I bet he knows that too. Even though he's been captured, he still has power over us. He knows whether or not Iraq has WMD or not.

12-15-2003, 08:22 AM	#6 (permalink)
lightning Tilted Location: Texas	These wussy terrorists always give it up. It's not like the good old American mafia (they usually don't talk). But the government will use lots of devious techniques also. Sleep deprivation, hunger, forcing caffiene, withholding vitamins, other mental manipulation... whatever it takes. He will give it up, for certain.

12-15-2003, 09:41 AM	#10 (permalink)
krwlz Fledgling Dead Head Location: Clarkson U.	I would assume the "Blood work" they were planning to do on him to make sure its him... Is probably more then blood work. I'll bet they do whatever they have to to make him talk.

12-15-2003, 11:01 AM	#11 (permalink)
skysooner Registered User Location: Oklahoma	Bullies like this are usually cowards. Hitler took the easy way out by suicide. He should sing like a canary.

12-15-2003, 11:13 AM	#14 (permalink)
dannyboy21 Insane	Probably not as the first option, but I reckon it's highly possible somewhere down the line when people get tired of hearing bs over and over again...

12-15-2003, 12:23 PM	#16 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	__________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

12-15-2003, 12:35 PM	#17 (permalink)
Xell101 Junkie	I bet we took so long to capture him so we could see where he goes and nail as many people as possible, then nabbed him before anything bad could happens, he did have 750K on him.

12-15-2003, 12:57 PM	#18 (permalink)
Spartak Bang bang Location: New Zealand	From what I heard he said that he had no WMDs or any intention of producing them at the time of the invasion, and the USA made up that story in an excuse to invade his country. Im guessing they didn't like that one bit. Oh, and AFAIK no miracle "truth serum" actually exists. __________________ I can read your mind... looking at you... I can read your mind...

12-15-2003, 01:06 PM	#19 (permalink)
essendoubleop Psycho

12-15-2003, 01:42 PM	#24 (permalink)
Conclamo Ludus Modern Man Location: West Michigan	Does "truth serum" even exist? How does it work? __________________ Lord, have mercy on my wicked soul I wouldn't mistreat you baby, for my weight in gold. -Son House, Death Letter Blues

12-15-2003, 01:09 PM	#20 (permalink)
nash Psycho	I totally agree with Halx.

12-15-2003, 01:34 PM	#22 (permalink)
World's King Here Location: Denver City Denver	The first thing they did when they got him was drug the shit outta him. If you look at the footage you can tell he's fucked up. He couldn't stand still... his eyes were glossed over... he looked like a college freshman after his first big party. __________________ heavy is the head that wears the crown

12-15-2003, 01:40 PM	#23 (permalink)
rainheart Psycho	Yo, do you even know what the possible side effects of truth serum are? Look it up, it ain't good. Basically they run a chance of killing him.

12-15-2003, 02:16 PM	#27 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	You're acting like he's your girlfriend or something. I do take it personally, he's an enemy of my country. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

12-15-2003, 02:30 PM	#28 (permalink)
Mehoni Insane Location: Within the Woods	Well, he could never be my girlfriend, since I don't like girls. :P Anyway, so you feel that everyone your country considers an enemy should die? (your country, that btw, only cares about human rights when it suits you) No trial, no nothing? How about some justice? I don't like Saddam, but I can't view him as entierly evil. Because he's not. I just wish that he, as anyone else regardless of their crime, will get a fair trial. I don't belive in "an eye for an eye" and bullshit like that. I also feel that we have no right to take someonelses life, regardless of their crime. There are countries in the same state as Iraq was, but the US still considers them friends or neutrals and most importantly, don't care about their actions. How do you feel about Saudi Arabia supporting the Taliban-regime? __________________ There seem to be countless rituals and cultural beliefs designed to alleviate their fear of a simple biological truth - all organisms eventually perish.

12-15-2003, 02:32 PM	#29 (permalink)
Seaver Junkie Location: Fort Worth, TX	There IS such thing as truth serum. It is a mix of different salts in the right proportions, it's salt water basically, but takes a scientist to get it right. I have no doubt they'll use it on Saddam. But, out of all the different torture techniques the one that is proven time and time again to be the most effective is sleep disorder. I am currently in the naval flight program, and for that you need to complete SERE school. It is highly classified, but what I can tell you is when you graduate they have done (almost) everything a real POW camp will put you through. After 4 days of not sleeping you litterally have no idea what is real and what is not. So when someone asks you the exact same question every 5 min you will tell them the answer eventually, your mind just breaks down. That is why I think it's dumb with all the news agencies asking to know how the interogations are being taken place at Guantanamo. We dont use physical pain torture in the US because 1) it doesnt work 90% of the time, and 2) our culture simply doesnt believe in putting another human being through something like that.

12-15-2003, 03:27 PM	#33 (permalink)
Journeyman Like John Goodman, but not. Location: SFBA, California	I imagine the situation might go something like this. injection wait Interrogator: "What is your name?" Saddam: "Saddam Hussein." I: "What is your occupation?" S: "Former president of the Republic of Iraq, currently a prisoner of the United States." I: "At any point in the months leading up to, during, or after the recent invasion of your country, were any weapons of mass destruction present within your borders?" S: "No." I: "Fuck."

12-15-2003, 03:34 PM	#34 (permalink)
Sapper Insane Location: The Internet	Guys .. you can only tell the truth when there is a truth to be told. Have you ever considered that _perhaps_ Saddam has been telling the truth about W.O.M. ? Or are you all still brain-washed about the existence of such weapons? __________________ rm -f /bin/laden