Work situation

[The Faba]

So I'm working earler today, selling booze to people and whatnot. I'm in the middle of selling this girl a bottle of Boone's Farm and my co-worker had just finished a sale of Mickeys to this random drunk guy. He starts ringing up the next person for 4 cases of Corona and the Mickeys guy walks out of the store.

Outside the store is a parked car with two women in it, who happen to be waiting for Corona guy. The Mickeys man sees these two women and exclaims 'What up, bitches?'

Corona guy, who apparently is in a relationship with one of the women, hears this and walks outside asking 'What'd you say? What'd you say to my girl?' And so forth. My bud and I settle back and begin to watch the forthcoming entertainment as angry man will soon begin to beat the drunk man's ass.

So the drunk guy starts mouthing off to the angry guy, and the angry guy threatens to beat his ass, and the drunk guy says 'Yeah right homie, with what?' Or something to that extent.

Next thing I see - angry guy walks over to his car and pulls out a pistol and aims it at drunk guys face. (Needless to say, my co-worker and myself are not enjoying ourselves anymore) Drunk guy sobers up real fast (as most people will when you shove instantaneous death in their face will) and backs off / leaves. Angry guy calmly places gun in car, walks in, and pays for his Corona, and leaves.

My question is, has anything like this happened to / around you?

[The_Jazz]

Selling liquor to someone who's already intoxicated is a crime in Kansas, and puts you and your company in a very actionable position should there be an incident later.

That's my only comment at this point.

[Redlemon]

Nope, I've never even seen somebody pull a gun.

What's a Mickey?

(And, what Jazz said. I had that initial thought as well when I read your post, but IANAL.)

[Mister Coaster]

Mickey's = Cheap malt liquor

I've had a "friend" pull a gun on me after an afternoon of frivolity when I was in 7th grade. He's now on-again-off-again with heroin and in & out of jail. We don't hang out anymore.

[kurty[B]]

I had a similar experience as Mister Coaster in middle school, but I didn't consider the kid a friend. As far as since then, can't say I've witnessed anything like that.

What boggles me, did anyone call the police? Even afterwards? Maybe I'm becoming too much of a small town yokal, but I would have gotten the license plate of the vehicle and called the police after he left. Given, nothing actually did happen, but anyone willing to pull a gun on a person and threaten them doesn't sound like the most law-abiding citizen in my book.

[Sticky]

I know mickey as the term for a smaller flat shaped bottle of alcohol. You know, the ones that fit nicely into your jacket pocket.

Looks kind of like this:

[The Faba]

Originally Posted by The_Jazz

Selling liquor to someone who's already intoxicated is a crime in Kansas, and puts you and your company in a very actionable position should there be an incident later.

I would never sell alcohol to someone who is having trouble walking or talking because there's a difference between drunk and wasted. Otherwise bars would be in a world of hurt... regardless

Dram shop laws, as explained in the previous article, are laws providing that persons or establishments who sell alcohol to an intoxicated person or minor can be held liable for injuries or damages caused by the intoxicated person.

The following states and territories have enacted some type of dram shop law, either by legislative act or through case law:

Alabama, Maine, Oklahoma
Alaska, Massachusetts, Oregon
Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania
Arkansas, Minnesota, Rhode Island
Colorado, Mississippi, South Carolina
Connecticut, Missouri, Tennessee
District of Columbia, Montana, Texas
Florida, New Hampshire, Utah
Georgia, New Jersey, Vermont
Hawaii, New Mexico, Washington
Idaho, New York, West Virginia
Illinois, North Carolina, Wisconsin
Iowa, North Dakota, Wyoming
Kentucky, Ohio


The following states, conversely, do not impose civil liability on persons or establishments for sale of alcohol:

California, Louisiana, Nevada
Delaware, Maryland, South Dakota
Kansas, Nebraska, Virginia

You can find the entire ASCE article http://email.asce.org/gsd/December06.html



I am reminded of a job in high school I had at a movie rental place. I was renting to somebody and four people pushed another guy out of a bar and proceeded to gangbeat him. Needless to say the police were informed quite quickly.

Oh, and these are Mickey's 40s.

[Jinn]

I know Mickey's as the 40s that the alcoholics and bums drink..



I've never had this happen at work, as I work in a dress-shirt office building and if someone had a gun it'd be much more serious.

I had a self-proclaimed "crip" pull a switchblade on me at a roller skating rink, if that counts?

[The Faba]

Hey! I am NOT an alcoholic!

The bum thing, well...

[The_Jazz]

The_Faba, my cheat sheet at my desk shows Kansas on the list of dram shop states. It was published by an insurance company about a month ago.

Law or not, selling alcohol to anyone who's, by your own description, drunk is wrong. Clearly you've never been through TIPS or anything of the sort.

[Mister Coaster]

***Topic hijack***

When drinking cheap shit to get drunk, my preferred garbage is Steel Reserve, aka "Old 211" with my friends.



***Return to topic***

[Carno]

Originally Posted by The_Jazz

The_Faba, my cheat sheet at my desk shows Kansas on the list of dram shop states. It was published by an insurance company about a month ago.

Law or not, selling alcohol to anyone who's, by your own description, drunk is wrong. Clearly you've never been through TIPS or anything of the sort.

Sheesh, what a drag you are. Selling alcohol to anyone drunk is wrong? By what moral code? If it isn't the law, why is it wrong? Did the Bible tell you that? Why can't you just take his story for what it is supposed to be instead of being such a busy body?

Anyways, the only kind of "mickey" I have ever heard of is a rape drug
I've seen several of those situation, although none of them involved a gun, unless it was a robbery. One time some random guy tried to fight me in a bar though, for no apparent reason. That was odd.

[Willravel]

I would have called the police.

I had a guy shoot me in the leg once, but I wasn't at work.

So this thread is about if we've ever been in a work situation in which someone has been intoxicated? People have postured for a fight? A gun has been pulled? Or just general escalation? I'm confused.

[Ourcrazymodern?]

...never had a gun pulled on me; never saw one pulled on anyone else.

Never drank MICKEY's.

The Faba: Have you considered changing locations or occupations?

[The Faba]

The weird thing is, it's a really peaceful job. I've never seen anything like this happen before in this town - which is why it struck me as weird. It's the second safest liquor store in town (being only 2 blocks from a police station rather than 1)



Oh, and sorry Jazz - but in the great state o' Kansas on March 30th, 2007 - Rep. Mike O'Niel attempted offered an admendment to include dram shop provisions... it failed. 50/65.

I also agree entirely with Carno at this point.

[The_Jazz]

Selling alcohol to someone who's already drunk is stupid because you have no idea what they're going to do when they leave, especially if they're driving. I'm pretty sure that I could open up any edition of any newspaper in the country today and find proof of that with virtually no effort. Hell, I could look on Fark to find a story of some drunken idiot doing something to find proof that drunks do stupid things. So yes, selling someone who's only descriptive adjective is "drunk" in the story is wrong.

I'm not a Christian and haven't held myself out as any sort of authority on anything. I just think it's irresposible, and therefore wrong, to do this. The law is whatever it is, but we all know that right vs. wrong sometimes has little to do with legal vs. illegal.

[jorgelito]

Well, Faba didn't have the gun drawn on him. The gun was pulled on some unruly drunk. That guy may have saved Faba from an unpleasant encounter (it's possible, drunk people are unpredictable).

Sounds to me like all's well that ends well.

But since you work in a liquor store, you should definitely be carrying a gun (open). In your line of work, it just makes sense.

[Willravel]

Originally Posted by The_Jazz

You're consistently the biggest rudest person on this board...

Where does that leave me?!

[uncle phil]

Originally Posted by The_Jazz

Selling alcohol to someone who's already drunk is stupid because you have no idea what they're going to do when they leave, especially if they're driving. I'm pretty sure that I could open up any edition of any newspaper in the country today and find proof of that with virtually no effort. Hell, I could look on Fark to find a story of some drunken idiot doing something to find proof that drunks do stupid things. So yes, selling someone who's only descriptive adjective is "drunk" in the story is wrong.

Selling alcohol to a patron who "appears" drunk is illegal in any state I've ever been in, and between the military, employment, and general travel, that's a lot of states...