Miss Mango

http://thepillkills.com/

To think of every period as a lost baby is just taking stupid to a whole new level.

RetroGunslinger

My head really hurts now. I'm talkin' some serious Scanners shit.

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Redlemon

"Every sperm is sacred..."

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Shauk

Me, stabbing stupid people in the uterus, kills babies.


edit: oh nice, these are the same morons against free speech and freedom of religion apparently.

http://firebillmaher.com/quotes.html

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RetroGunslinger

Alright, that's it, you fuck with Bill Maher, you fuck with me. And considering these guys are Catholic, I'm getting the feeling that won't bother them.

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Martian

I particularly liked this bit:

I think they're confusing scientists with televangelists.

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SecretMethod70

This isn't quite as ridiculous as it sounds. The pill not only works to prevent fertilization, but it also helps prevent already fertilized eggs from implanting in the uteran lining. So, from the pro-life perspective (that life begins at conception), that action is analogous to abortion.

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smoore

I had to stop here:

WTF?

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Willravel

Just a few thoughts:
The sperm and egg are not life forms. They are gametes, which are types of cells. One can no more kill an egg or sperm than one can kill a blood cell (like when one bleeds, say when crucified).

SecretMethod70

which is why I posted what I posted. The pill sometimes works to prevent fertilized eggs from implanting in the uteran lining. That's a different argument than saying killing sperm or an unfertilized egg is killing a human life.

Basically, this argument isn't particularly more or less outrageous than other pro-life arguments. It, like most every other pro-life argument, hinges on the belief that once an egg is fertilized then it is a life. Disagree with it, but that's not the same as saying the pill is bad because it kills unfertilized eggs.

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JumpinJesus

If God really wanted that egg to stick, he'd make it stick.

They really should say, "God Kills Babies!"

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Willravel

Actually, God is responsible for abortions according to the Bible. He decides the circumstances involving one's birth and death.

SecretMethod70

Now that's a point I can get behind!

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Hain

Ah but if your kid has some birth defect it was their fault for committing sins whilst in the womb... -100 Quotes from Fundamentalist Christian Forums

Can Bill Maher sign a petition to get himself off the air?
That would be a tragedy though. That was one of the few regular things that kept me watching HBO.

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echo5delta

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*Nikki*

If a sperm and egg are killed prior to joining- Everything is A-OK.

vanblah

I used to collect old medical books ... my favorite is a late 1800's "gynecology" textbook--whew--the things they did back then. Ladies, if you think a modern speculum is bad just imagine the fricken' shoe horns they used in the 1880s.

I have an old "medical" "textbook" written from a Catholic point-of-view from the early 20th century. I don't have the title right now since it's in storage and I'm at work.

Anyway, from the writer of the book's (a Catholic doctor) point-of-view ANY miscarriage is called an abortion; and it's always the mother's fault. No matter what. So this webpage (as detestable as it is) fits right in.

For more "fun" reading I like the chapter on "monsters" (aka, children with birth defects) and how it's ALWAYS the mother's fault.

lotsofmagnets

that video in the link was sooooo 2005. were things really that "hip" and "cool" then? my memory fails me all these years into the future.

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I did not read the article. I opened it to reference the main gist and closed it with a thud. It angered and frustrated me.

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RetroGunslinger

So, whenever I get bored at home, alone, I'm killing babies?

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Damn you! Damn you all to hell!

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lotsofmagnets

think of it more as "releasing" babies into the wild. also it´s exercising so you´re strengthening your genes so the next generation of god´s children will be superior.

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elsesomebody

Other than your post, I'm pretty disappointed in this thread (completely missing the point of the website).

Poppinjay

So when these folks order breakfast, do they get two dead babies, over easy?

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PonyPotato

My government teacher from my senior year of high school liked to tell all of the female students on birth control that the pill was equivalent to having an abortion every month.

He was also on his local government and liked to talk about the neighbor who pointed a cannon at his house on a regular basis. Seems I'm not the only person who considers him a big jerk.

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Redlemon

I think we all understand the point of the website. It's just that we don't agree with the argument.

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xepherys

A fertilized egg is STILL not life, unless you consider ANY pair of connected cells to be a living creature. In which case, you may need to take biology again. Hell, bacteria have more cells than that. And the bible thumpers don't care if you take antibiotics. Life = life, no?

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SecretMethod70

Those aren't fertilized eggs, so it's entirely different.Listen, I agree that the argument this website puts forth is a faulty one. My point is simply that the overall response here is a bit of an overreaction. If you're going to critique someone else's argument, it's important to understand their point of view, and pro-life people believe that life begins at conception. They don't say the pill kills babies because it prevents unfertilized eggs from implanting; they believe the pill kills babies because it prevents fertilized eggs from implanting. Their argument against the pill is no more ludicrous than any other argument they make against abortion. I happen to be fine with abortion, regardless of when life "starts," and so I don't agree with their argument. But their point of view on the pill is generally consistent with their general opinion on abortions, and to act like this is somehow even more loony than the general pro-life sentiment isn't appropriate.

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Atreides88

Then I'm really going to hell.

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genuinegirly

Honestly, I find this comment a bit out of line.

I find the hype highlighted in this thread highly uninformed and a disgraceful representation of christian-related religious beliefs. It is sad to me that it has been given this level of attention.

I am Roman Catholic. I tend to consider myself respectful of life. Still, I'm a die-hard Libertarian and don't see why the government should have any pull on people's ability to cease reproduction. I find other methods of contraception (NFP / selective abstinence) highly effective in my personal life. I have never used the pill, nor do I desire to. My sister had 4 kids while on the pill. I'd just rather be savy of my own body and weigh my decisions rather than depending on some hormone-altering mess.

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link2008

Actually, at the grocery store, I have seen fertilized for sale.

SecretMethod70

That's....

interesting.

I've never heard of that before.

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Sion

when these anti-abortion/pro-life people show the willingness and ability to take care of the billions of people who are already born and living in hunger, poverty and without even the most rudimentary of homes, THEN I'll consider what they have to say about birth control.

until then, they can piss off!

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genuinegirly

You should express this opinion on a pro-life message board. I bet you'll find some who will gladly take you up on the challenge.

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Charlatan

That doesn't make any sense. The only purposefully fertilized eggs sold, that I've heard of are balut.

There is evidence that the occasional fertilized egg slips through but to purposefully cultivate and sell fertilized eggs doesn't makes sense. The economics of it are all wrong and there is no added value to the consumer (who would have to pay a premium for this sort of egg).

Sounds fishy to me.

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The_Dunedan

Check out a good Asian Market sometime. Fertilized eggs are delicacies in certain parts of China, Korea, and Vietnam. They're supposed to make the best "Thousand Year Eggs" in particular.

Poppinjay

I've had one slip through, and it turned me off to eggs pretty much for life.

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Sticky

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MSD

On the contrary,

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