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jorgelito · 10-28-2005, 01:19 PM

Hmmmm....I think I can see what you're trying to say. I think there was a study on this dubbed "baby boy syndrome" maybe? Not too sure. But it sounds similar tp the points you were making.

Music videos are problematic in the sense that they are marketing tools and encompass a broad range of consumer products. So black females that appear in Usher videos are essentially "objects". The same applies (in a general sense to many videos - think back to all the 80's rock videos and the scantily clad feamles (mostly white chicks). This is probably more misogynisitc based rather than race based - look at the target market - teen boys maybe?

I think the social phenomonenon lies deeper than just say, music or MTV. I beleive it starts in the social fabric and goes back a few generations. Some people argue that it 's the decay of the nuclear family - many black families, especailly in urban areas are matriarchal, tiered to the 3rd generation.
EX: mother, dughter, grandmother.
Conspiciously absent father-figure types become a critical factor.
Female dominated household encounter challeneges in raising juvenile males. In the absence of male-role models, substitutes are sought out.
Strong, successful gang members, drug dealers may appear attractive to youngmales.

I think there was a statistic that the majority of black males (urban) were either in jail or dead. Otherwise unemployed.

A vicious cycle can then develop where a culture of gangs and poverty combine to foment the types of behavior conducive to agression or resentment of black females. Unemployed juveniles without direction (no perceived future prospects) may feel emasculated and feel the need to assert their manhood by "wearing the pants" in the family.

The idea of troph grilfriends - seeking out white females is interesting. I think it occurs across a swath of races and ethnicities. I think there is more of a socio-economic effect mixed in with the racial dynamic. If people desire to "move up" in the world, then they must be responsive to socail dynamics which include race relations and perceptions. The pressure to "make it" and be successful transends material wealth. Social status also comes into play. EX: The desire of successful minorities trying to move into tradional white affluent neighborhoods. Joiningg all-white country clubs etc. And even obtaining girlfriends/wives of a different race/ethnicity.

10-28-2005, 01:19 PM	#10 (permalink)
jorgelito All important elusive independent swing voter... Location: People's Republic of KKKalifornia	Hmmmm....I think I can see what you're trying to say. I think there was a study on this dubbed "baby boy syndrome" maybe? Not too sure. But it sounds similar tp the points you were making. Music videos are problematic in the sense that they are marketing tools and encompass a broad range of consumer products. So black females that appear in Usher videos are essentially "objects". The same applies (in a general sense to many videos - think back to all the 80's rock videos and the scantily clad feamles (mostly white chicks). This is probably more misogynisitc based rather than race based - look at the target market - teen boys maybe? I think the social phenomonenon lies deeper than just say, music or MTV. I beleive it starts in the social fabric and goes back a few generations. Some people argue that it 's the decay of the nuclear family - many black families, especailly in urban areas are matriarchal, tiered to the 3rd generation. EX: mother, dughter, grandmother. Conspiciously absent father-figure types become a critical factor. Female dominated household encounter challeneges in raising juvenile males. In the absence of male-role models, substitutes are sought out. Strong, successful gang members, drug dealers may appear attractive to youngmales. I think there was a statistic that the majority of black males (urban) were either in jail or dead. Otherwise unemployed. A vicious cycle can then develop where a culture of gangs and poverty combine to foment the types of behavior conducive to agression or resentment of black females. Unemployed juveniles without direction (no perceived future prospects) may feel emasculated and feel the need to assert their manhood by "wearing the pants" in the family. The idea of troph grilfriends - seeking out white females is interesting. I think it occurs across a swath of races and ethnicities. I think there is more of a socio-economic effect mixed in with the racial dynamic. If people desire to "move up" in the world, then they must be responsive to socail dynamics which include race relations and perceptions. The pressure to "make it" and be successful transends material wealth. Social status also comes into play. EX: The desire of successful minorities trying to move into tradional white affluent neighborhoods. Joiningg all-white country clubs etc. And even obtaining girlfriends/wives of a different race/ethnicity.