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billege · 10-28-2005, 09:07 AM

I had my “profound” thought for today.

I was listening to the really awful Black Eyed Peas song "My Humps" and had a thought.

(BTW: It’s awful because not only has music reduced women to T&A on a regular basis, in this song they don’t even have proper names, just “humps” and “lady lumps.” Listening to the singer (Fergie?) it’s exactly like I imagine the thought process of a vapid slut to be: “ men are nice, and buy me ice, because they want my hump.” Oh, now *THAT* is classy…)

As I thought about this, I get to thinking about the Black man's expressed anger and belittlement of women, particularly Black women.

This anger is evidenced by the objectification, belittlement, and sexual reduction of the Black woman to the “bitch” model of a woman. The “bitch” is…well, we all have seen TV enough to know what the difference is between a woman and a “bitch.”
The Black man also expresses his distaste for the Black woman by the Black man's choice of a white woman as "the real prize."
See also: Kanye West’s song “Gold Digger.” Kanye acknowledges the trend (is trend the right word?) for Black men to chose a white woman when he’s “made it.”

You pay enough attention, and you really start to get the idea that Black men don't much like Black women.

Black men are disproportionately jailed, poor, uneducated, unemployed, etc. Black women to lead Black America in almost every category you’ll measure. Black women’s income, education, purchasing power, etc. are all rising in a strong trend over Black men’s same measures. That much is clear from the past decade’s census and market research.

I get to wondering if the Black man's expression of his anger/jealousy at Black women is to belittle, objectify, and vent at the Black woman. We certainly see a lot of negative images of Black women in Black male works of musical expression.

It's not like Black women are equals to Black men, they're generally betters.
The males’ response is to sexually dominate the woman. This is what you see everywhere you look.

A possible example:

"Fitty Cent" and his punk self is obviously a useless man in today's society. He has no education, and nothing to offer society but his anger. He sees the Black woman, holding families together, getting paid for brains, and he hates her. His response is to belittle, as much as possible, her entire gender.

You can extrapolate further, that a man such as “50,” is totally powerless in today's society. He's poor, he's Black, and he’s a criminal.
If America has one person it hates (not that America would admit it), that's really the archetype right there.
So, he's impotent, if not for his rap $$. He sees his brothers also are impotent, and the women driving change. He's shamed at that and so lashes out.

As I was discussing this with my wife (who, if it matters in any shape, is a woman who comes from a Black father, white mother; while I’m white) she said the following:

“My understanding though, is that Black men do not see white women as a prize, but rather a woman that can be controlled by Black men, because a Black woman will not tolerate being controlled by a Black man.”

I thought about that for a minute, and think it ties in to my theory here today.

There's a multitude of reasons Black men go for the white woman, but I think it ties into the rejection of Black women.

When the Black woman rejects his "authority" it's because he has none.
He has no education, no real societal power, and he's pissed cause he can't dominate a “little ole woman.” This, I feel, comes from attitudes of the more “macho” Black male culture. He rejects her and uses his choice of skin color to try and shame the Black woman.

Like saying "look bitch, you may have a degree and a job, but I have a white woman.”

To this, she said:

“So why don't Black men get off of their asses?”

I postulate a reason could be:

No one is there to lead Black male culture.
Though there are strong male Black role models, they're handicapped and ineffective to this point.

They tend to be religious, see: Jessie. Thus they don’t reach the whole population.

These possible leaders also face an overwhelming rejection by those that would be led, see: Bill Cosby.

However, the point of today’s discussion should be weather Black men really are angry at Black women.

Though I’ve touched on a few points, I hope I remained coherent enough to generate some meaningful discussion.

10-28-2005, 09:07 AM	#1 (permalink)
billege Watcher Location: Ohio	Do Black Men much like Black Women? I had my “profound” thought for today. I was listening to the really awful Black Eyed Peas song "My Humps" and had a thought. (BTW: It’s awful because not only has music reduced women to T&A on a regular basis, in this song they don’t even have proper names, just “humps” and “lady lumps.” Listening to the singer (Fergie?) it’s exactly like I imagine the thought process of a vapid slut to be: “ men are nice, and buy me ice, because they want my hump.” Oh, now THAT is classy…) As I thought about this, I get to thinking about the Black man's expressed anger and belittlement of women, particularly Black women. This anger is evidenced by the objectification, belittlement, and sexual reduction of the Black woman to the “bitch” model of a woman. The “bitch” is…well, we all have seen TV enough to know what the difference is between a woman and a “bitch.” The Black man also expresses his distaste for the Black woman by the Black man's choice of a white woman as "the real prize." See also: Kanye West’s song “Gold Digger.” Kanye acknowledges the trend (is trend the right word?) for Black men to chose a white woman when he’s “made it.” You pay enough attention, and you really start to get the idea that Black men don't much like Black women. Black men are disproportionately jailed, poor, uneducated, unemployed, etc. Black women to lead Black America in almost every category you’ll measure. Black women’s income, education, purchasing power, etc. are all rising in a strong trend over Black men’s same measures. That much is clear from the past decade’s census and market research. I get to wondering if the Black man's expression of his anger/jealousy at Black women is to belittle, objectify, and vent at the Black woman. We certainly see a lot of negative images of Black women in Black male works of musical expression. It's not like Black women are equals to Black men, they're generally betters. The males’ response is to sexually dominate the woman. This is what you see everywhere you look. A possible example: "Fitty Cent" and his punk self is obviously a useless man in today's society. He has no education, and nothing to offer society but his anger. He sees the Black woman, holding families together, getting paid for brains, and he hates her. His response is to belittle, as much as possible, her entire gender. You can extrapolate further, that a man such as “50,” is totally powerless in today's society. He's poor, he's Black, and he’s a criminal. If America has one person it hates (not that America would admit it), that's really the archetype right there. So, he's impotent, if not for his rap $$. He sees his brothers also are impotent, and the women driving change. He's shamed at that and so lashes out. As I was discussing this with my wife (who, if it matters in any shape, is a woman who comes from a Black father, white mother; while I’m white) she said the following: “My understanding though, is that Black men do not see white women as a prize, but rather a woman that can be controlled by Black men, because a Black woman will not tolerate being controlled by a Black man.” I thought about that for a minute, and think it ties in to my theory here today. There's a multitude of reasons Black men go for the white woman, but I think it ties into the rejection of Black women. When the Black woman rejects his "authority" it's because he has none. He has no education, no real societal power, and he's pissed cause he can't dominate a “little ole woman.” This, I feel, comes from attitudes of the more “macho” Black male culture. He rejects her and uses his choice of skin color to try and shame the Black woman. Like saying "look bitch, you may have a degree and a job, but I have a white woman.” To this, she said: “So why don't Black men get off of their asses?” I postulate a reason could be: No one is there to lead Black male culture. Though there are strong male Black role models, they're handicapped and ineffective to this point. They tend to be religious, see: Jessie. Thus they don’t reach the whole population. These possible leaders also face an overwhelming rejection by those that would be led, see: Bill Cosby. However, the point of today’s discussion should be weather Black men really are angry at Black women. Though I’ve touched on a few points, I hope I remained coherent enough to generate some meaningful discussion. __________________ I can sum up the clash of religion in one sentence: "My Invisible Friend is better than your Invisible Friend."