New Study Finds P2P has ZERO Effect On CD Sales - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

theburner · 03-30-2004, 01:19 PM

Check out this article from the Globe and Mail:

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/...ry/Technology/

Basically says that internet downloads have ZERO effect on the decline of CD Sales. Something we have all known for years.

Lasereth · 03-30-2004, 01:25 PM

Yeah, more articles prove that in the early-to-mid 1990's, CD sales were just as bad. People that are gonna buy a music CD are still gonna buy it. P2P music programs simply enlighten consumers on what they're missing. It actually gives better apprecation for musicians if ya think about it. Stop paying the fucking musicians so much to do music. If they really wanted to do it, then they wouldn't mind being paid less. Or how about this: "regular wages." If you stop paying them so much to push out music, then CD sales would go down drastically, and sales would increase.

-Lasereth

sixate · 03-30-2004, 01:35 PM

I can't honestly believe that P2P has no effect on CD sales. I used to buy a shitload of albums. I haven't bought an actual CD is so long I can't even remember, and I know a ton of people like me. So can someone please explain how this doesn't effect CD sales? Because it does, and we'd all be fools to think anything else. Now, just because I see the reality of it that doesn't mean I feel bad about what I do or that I'm gonna rush out and start to buy CD's again. For the most part albums just suck ass and aren't worth $14 - $16. When CD's cost $5 I might start to buy music, but that's not gonna happen so I'll just continue to download what I want. CD's are so overpriced it's not even funny. I've supported the groups I listen to by going to a bunch of concerts and buying merchandise. The artist actually gets most of that money, not a stupidass record company.

Lasereth · 03-30-2004, 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by sixate
I can't honestly believe that P2P has no effect on CD sales. I used to buy a shitload of albums. I haven't bought an actual CD is so long I can't even remember, and I know a ton of people like me. So can someone please explain how this doesn't effect CD sales? Because it does, and we'd all be fools to think anything else. Now, just because I see the reality of it that doesn't mean I feel bad about what I do or that I'm gonna rush out and start to buy CD's again. For the most part albums just suck ass and aren't worth $14 - $16. When CD's cost $5 I might start to buy music, but that's not gonna happen so I'll just continue to download what I want. CD's are so overpriced it's not even funny. I've supported the groups I listen to by going to a bunch of concerts and buying merchandise. The artist actually gets most of that money, not a stupidass record company.

Yeah, I agree completely about the CD price. They should be $5. People would buy a fucklode of CD's then.

The only proof that I've read is the fact that this isn't the first time since CD's came out that CD sales have been sluggish. When CD's first came out, they were booming, and then from 1989-1993, the sales were TERRIBLE! 1993-1999 CD sales went back up again. Then the P2P craze started, and CD sales have went down.

Basically, some market analysts say that the quality of music and current trends/economic conditions are what have an effect on CD sales, not P2P programs. CD sales went down in 1999/2000...what happened then? The economic recession.

That's the only proof I've read.

-Lasereth

theburner · 03-30-2004, 01:54 PM

I used to buy a ton of albums, but lately have no interest. I download songs I like, but rest assured that isn't costing the Recording industry a penny. Why? Because I am sure as hell not going to pay $19.99 for ONE or TWO SONGS!
Would I go to Itunes? Sure.. No virus, you get the song you want with minimal searching. But I will not EVER pay $19.99 for one song.

Redjake · 03-30-2004, 02:19 PM

I didn't buy music CDs before, and I still don't. Simple as that.

the_marq · 03-30-2004, 02:21 PM

I make a point of buying albums by independent and local artists, especially Canadian bands. For example, this guy: http://www.ibreakstrings.com .

However, I do not think I have bought a "major release" for about 18 months. Mostly cause I hate that record companies insist in calling me a thief. They staunchly refuse to adapt to the changing marketplace and then get mad and point the finger of blame at computers and downloaders...adapt or die motherfukers.

Redjake · 03-30-2004, 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by the_marq
adapt or die motherfukers.

that's funny as hell

bltzkriegmcanon · 03-30-2004, 02:29 PM

Ain't it the truth.

Bill O'Rights · 03-30-2004, 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by sixate
I used to buy a shitload of albums. I haven't bought an actual CD is so long I can't even remember, and I know a ton of people like me.

That's 'cause you're gettin' old, dude!! Hell, I used to buy a shitload of vinyl, when I was in my...oh...teens, and early twenties. I don't think I've bought anything (presents for my daughter excluded) in over three years. Face it man, you've peaked. Join me, sixate...join me, and all of the other old farts. We'll leave a place for you at the 4:30 buffett line.

sixate · 03-30-2004, 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by Bill O'Rights
That's 'cause you're gettin' old, dude!! Hell, I used to buy a shitload of vinyl, when I was in my...oh...teens, and early twenties. I don't think I've bought anything (presents for my daughter excluded) in over three years. Face it man, you've peaked. Join me, sixate...join me, and all of the other old farts. We'll leave a place for you at the 4:30 buffett line.

Heh, I'm not that old yet.

Hell, I still have a few years to go until I hit 30. By the time I'm your age you'll probably be in a retirement home.

absorbentishe · 03-30-2004, 02:55 PM

I buy cd's that are good, all the way through, and there aren't many on the market. Perhaps the industry needs to look at quality first.

JStrider · 03-30-2004, 02:58 PM

yah... i only bought a couple cds b4 p2p music sharing... ive bought bout a half dozen since p2p really started going... i dont have the money to spend 15 to 20 on a cd... i didnt then... i dont now... just now i still get to listen to the music i like...

punx1325 · 03-30-2004, 03:27 PM

Before P2P there was tapes.... It is an ongoing cycle that will never end. The RIAA just wants to bitch about because they have nothing better to do.

oblar · 03-30-2004, 04:38 PM

To those of you that think that p2p causes everyone to reduce the amount they purchase on CDs I offer myself as a counter-example.

I rarely bought CDs prior to p2p.. I actually began buying many more at its height, just because I was exposed to more and found more CDs that were full of good songs.. I was of the mind that if I downloaded an entire CD or most of one, I went out and bought it..

simple as that... however, since this entire everyone is a thief bit, I have refused to buy any CDs from any artist under the RIAA. I will still purchase imports, but I do not like the way the RIAA is handling things.. Hell I would be tempted to go the way of itunes, but to tell you the truth, I have plenty of music CDs currently and I listen to the radio for stuff I do not have... I dont need p2p, but I sure as hell don't need to purchase music that the RIAA pushes.

The only album I have bought in the last 2-3 years has been an album put out by a friend of mine.. good album too, and I ended up buying 3.

Bamrak · 03-30-2004, 06:12 PM

I agree with Oblar, I bought maybe one cd a year prior to Napster. Once Napster was in it's prime, I was buying around 2 CD's a month. Since I could actually listen to the entire CD, I found many more CD's that I liked the entire album on as opposed to buying it for one song. Once the suing started from the RIAA, I stopped supporting the industry. I could care less what songs are out there now.

Speed_Gibson · 03-30-2004, 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by Bill O'Rights
That's 'cause you're gettin' old, dude!! Hell, I used to buy a shitload of vinyl, when I was in my...oh...teens, and early twenties. I don't think I've bought anything (presents for my daughter excluded) in over three years. Face it man, you've peaked. Join me, sixate...join me, and all of the other old farts. We'll leave a place for you at the 4:30 buffett line.

I still buy a shitload of vinyls.
albums I bought last year:
# of vinlys - at least 50-60+ (ranging from 1937-1990 with 78/45/33s)
price $70 dollars or so with excellent selection
# of CDs - 1
price $16 or so

03-30-2004, 01:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
theburner Canadian Beer Ambassador Location: Cumming, GA	New Study Finds P2P has ZERO Effect On CD Sales Check out this article from the Globe and Mail: http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/...ry/Technology/ Basically says that internet downloads have ZERO effect on the decline of CD Sales. Something we have all known for years. __________________ Take Off Eh!

03-30-2004, 01:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
Lasereth Knight of the Old Republic Location: Winston-Salem, NC	Yeah, more articles prove that in the early-to-mid 1990's, CD sales were just as bad. People that are gonna buy a music CD are still gonna buy it. P2P music programs simply enlighten consumers on what they're missing. It actually gives better apprecation for musicians if ya think about it. Stop paying the fucking musicians so much to do music. If they really wanted to do it, then they wouldn't mind being paid less. Or how about this: "regular wages." If you stop paying them so much to push out music, then CD sales would go down drastically, and sales would increase. -Lasereth __________________ "A Darwinian attacks his theory, seeking to find flaws. An ID believer defends his theory, seeking to conceal flaws." -Roger Ebert

03-30-2004, 01:54 PM	#5 (permalink)
theburner Canadian Beer Ambassador Location: Cumming, GA	I used to buy a ton of albums, but lately have no interest. I download songs I like, but rest assured that isn't costing the Recording industry a penny. Why? Because I am sure as hell not going to pay $19.99 for ONE or TWO SONGS! Would I go to Itunes? Sure.. No virus, you get the song you want with minimal searching. But I will not EVER pay $19.99 for one song. __________________ Take Off Eh!

03-30-2004, 02:19 PM	#6 (permalink)
Redjake I'm a family man - I run a family business. Location: Wilson, NC	I didn't buy music CDs before, and I still don't. Simple as that. __________________ Off the record, on the q.t., and very hush-hush.

03-30-2004, 02:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
the_marq All hail the Mountain King Location: Black Mesa	I make a point of buying albums by independent and local artists, especially Canadian bands. For example, this guy: http://www.ibreakstrings.com . However, I do not think I have bought a "major release" for about 18 months. Mostly cause I hate that record companies insist in calling me a thief. They staunchly refuse to adapt to the changing marketplace and then get mad and point the finger of blame at computers and downloaders...adapt or die motherfukers. __________________ The Truth: Johnny Cash could have kicked Bruce Lee's ass if he wanted to. #3 in a series

03-30-2004, 01:35 PM	#3 (permalink)
sixate Registered User Location: Somewhere in Ohio	I can't honestly believe that P2P has no effect on CD sales. I used to buy a shitload of albums. I haven't bought an actual CD is so long I can't even remember, and I know a ton of people like me. So can someone please explain how this doesn't effect CD sales? Because it does, and we'd all be fools to think anything else. Now, just because I see the reality of it that doesn't mean I feel bad about what I do or that I'm gonna rush out and start to buy CD's again. For the most part albums just suck ass and aren't worth $14 - $16. When CD's cost $5 I might start to buy music, but that's not gonna happen so I'll just continue to download what I want. CD's are so overpriced it's not even funny. I've supported the groups I listen to by going to a bunch of concerts and buying merchandise. The artist actually gets most of that money, not a stupidass record company.

03-30-2004, 02:29 PM	#9 (permalink)
bltzkriegmcanon Holy Knight of The Alliance Location: Stormwind, The Eastern Kingdoms, Azeroth	Ain't it the truth. __________________ What do you say to one last showdown? - Ocelot, Metal Gear Solid 3 The password is "Who are the Patriots?" and "La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo." "La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo." Gotcha. - The Colonel and Snake, Metal Gear Solid 3

03-30-2004, 02:55 PM	#12 (permalink)
absorbentishe Boy am I horny today Location: T O L E D O, Toledo!!	I buy cd's that are good, all the way through, and there aren't many on the market. Perhaps the industry needs to look at quality first.

03-30-2004, 02:58 PM	#13 (permalink)
JStrider Poo-tee-weet? Location: The Woodlands, TX	yah... i only bought a couple cds b4 p2p music sharing... ive bought bout a half dozen since p2p really started going... i dont have the money to spend 15 to 20 on a cd... i didnt then... i dont now... just now i still get to listen to the music i like... __________________ -=JStrider=- ~Clatto Verata Nicto

03-30-2004, 03:27 PM	#14 (permalink)
punx1325 Junkie Location: San Diego	Before P2P there was tapes.... It is an ongoing cycle that will never end. The RIAA just wants to bitch about because they have nothing better to do. __________________ If something seems too good to be true, then it probably is....

03-30-2004, 04:38 PM	#15 (permalink)
oblar Über-Rookie Location: No longer, D.C	To those of you that think that p2p causes everyone to reduce the amount they purchase on CDs I offer myself as a counter-example. I rarely bought CDs prior to p2p.. I actually began buying many more at its height, just because I was exposed to more and found more CDs that were full of good songs.. I was of the mind that if I downloaded an entire CD or most of one, I went out and bought it.. simple as that... however, since this entire everyone is a thief bit, I have refused to buy any CDs from any artist under the RIAA. I will still purchase imports, but I do not like the way the RIAA is handling things.. Hell I would be tempted to go the way of itunes, but to tell you the truth, I have plenty of music CDs currently and I listen to the radio for stuff I do not have... I dont need p2p, but I sure as hell don't need to purchase music that the RIAA pushes. The only album I have bought in the last 2-3 years has been an album put out by a friend of mine.. good album too, and I ended up buying 3. __________________ "All that we can do is just survive. .All that we can do to help ourselves is stay alive." - Rush

03-30-2004, 06:12 PM	#16 (permalink)
Bamrak Enter Title Here Location: Tennessee	I agree with Oblar, I bought maybe one cd a year prior to Napster. Once Napster was in it's prime, I was buying around 2 CD's a month. Since I could actually listen to the entire CD, I found many more CD's that I liked the entire album on as opposed to buying it for one song. Once the suing started from the RIAA, I stopped supporting the industry. I could care less what songs are out there now.