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Willravel · 03-17-2008, 07:35 PM

Whoa... what was that?! It was friggin firefox, and it was friggin fast.

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Firefox 3 goes on a diet, eats less memory than IE and Opera

By Ryan Paul | Published: March 17, 2008 - 10:05AM CT

In our recent coverage of the Firefox 3 beta releases (1, 2, 3, 4), we have noted performance improvements and a significant reduction in memory consumption relative to Firefox 2. The enormous amount of effort that developers invested in boosting resource efficiency for Firefox 3 has paid off, and the results are very apparent during day-to-day use.
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During intensive browsing with approximately 50 tabs, I have found that Firefox 3 generally consumes less than half of the memory used by Firefox 2.0.0.12. Firefox 3 is also snappier and more responsive when switching between tabs and performing other operations that typically lag in Firefox 2.0.0.12 when the browser is experiencing heavy load.

Mozilla developer Stuart Parmenter has written an overview of the tactics that were used to reduce Firefox's memory footprint and also reveals the results of a memory benchmark he performed to compare Firefox 3 with other browsers. The memory benchmark, which uses the Talos framework and was conducted on Windows Vista, replicates real-world usage patterns by automatically cycling pages through browser windows and then closing them. Firefox 3 used less memory than Firefox 2, Internet Explorer, and Opera, and it also freed more memory than the other browsers when pages were closed. Safari 3 and Internet Explorer 8 could not be benchmarked because they crashed during the test.

The results of this experiment, which others have been able to consistently reproduce using the same tools, represent a big victory for Firefox, which has previously faced widespread criticism for its high memory consumption. To achieve that victory, developers approached the problem from many different angles. To reduce memory fragmentation, the developers attempted to minimize the total number of memory allocations, particularly during startup. The developers also adopted FreeBSD's jemalloc allocator, which helped reduce fragmentation and improve performance.

Another big improvement is the new XPCOM cycle collector, which automatically detects unused objects that are persisting as a result of mutual references. Parmenter notes that the cycle collector has notable implications for extensions because it will be able to proactively eliminate certain kinds of memory leaks introduced by Firefox extensions that manipulate Firefox's internals. Caching behavior has also been improved so that it is less wasteful, and decompressed image data is no longer stored.

Mozilla evangelist Christopher Blizzard, who also wrote about the memory improvements, offers readers another insightful take-home message: the small memory footprint in the latest Firefox 3 beta, he says, is proof that Firefox is ready for mobile environments. "What it shows to anyone who looks is that we're able to hit the kinds of memory and performance requirements that mobile platforms demand," wrote Blizzard. "Users who use our software on mobile devices can expect web sites that just work, access to add-ons all balanced against the hardware limits imposed by mobile devices. In essence, we can bring that no compromises approach to mobile, just as we've done it with the desktop."

The upcoming Firefox 3 release has much to offer in addition to a smaller memory footprint, including an improved user interface, new themes that increase visual platform integration, a completely revamped bookmark and history system that uses an SQLite database, a Cairo-based rendering backend, full-page zoom, support for JavaScript 1.8, and many other new features. These improvements will likely continue to push Firefox's climbing market share.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...and-opera.html

I can attest to Firefox 3 beta being faster than Safari, in addition to Opera and IE (people still use IE?).

Baraka_Guru · 03-17-2008, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel

I can attest to Firefox 3 beta being faster than Safari, in addition to Opera and IE (people still use IE?).

Firefox is where it's at.

I only use IE to update Windows XP as per the requirement.

I didn't know Firefox released 3. I will have to check it out!

Willravel · 03-17-2008, 08:06 PM

Psst.... click on The Flash! I've got the download all ready for everyone.

Baraka_Guru · 03-17-2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel

Psst.... click on The Flash! I've got the download all ready for everyone.

Aw, shit! Thanks, man! (It's late, I'm tired.)

Willravel · 03-17-2008, 08:15 PM

No, no, I added it after you posted. You friggin inspired me.

SecretMethod70 · 03-17-2008, 08:45 PM

Just a reminder, Firefox 3 is currently beta.

Shauk · 03-17-2008, 09:00 PM

yeah here are 2 things I don't like about the current beta. One.. the "home" key is now located on the bookmark toolbar. WHY? wasn't it fine where it was? on the NAVIGATION BAR? Now it pushed all my neatly organized bookmarks to the right by one margin. And two... addons/skins... it's all the chaos of patch day on World of Warcraft as everyone is going "why are my ui mods broken!?" same difference.

2 is a nag though, theyll update when v3 hits final.

I just need to figure out how to squash the home key.

SecretMethod70 · 03-17-2008, 09:51 PM

you should be able to customize it just like every other button I'd think. Right click somewhere up there and choose customize. Once that is brought up, you should be able to move the buttons around. At least, that's how it works in Firefox 2; I haven't tried Firefox 3 beta.

Lucifer · 03-18-2008, 05:28 AM

My home key wasn't in the bookmarks, it was up on the toolbar where it was supposed to be. But I did have to go and find the forward and back buttons. And I can't get support for roboform toolbar on this one yet. Hopefully that is coming soon.

Redlemon · 03-18-2008, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Shauk

One.. the "home" key is now located on the bookmark toolbar. WHY? wasn't it fine where it was? on the NAVIGATION BAR? Now it pushed all my neatly organized bookmarks to the right by one margin.

That was changed back last night (Bug 422420 – Revert home button move and related migration code).

The best part of FFx3 is the "awesomebar". They have reworked the URL bar such that you can type a few words, and it checks (1) the URLs of previously-visited pages (2) the page titles of previously-viewed pages (3) the URLs of bookmarked pages and (4) the titles you gave your bookmarks. And it isn't just a leading-word search: typing 'boing mansion' gets me a link to the page Haunted Mansion trufans party after hours in Disneyland - Boing Boing. Oh, it'll also search (5) the tags of bookmarked pages, but I don't do tags.

You have no idea how awesome the awesomebar is until you have a couple weeks of history in there and need to find something you remember seeing a few days ago.

Feel free to ask any other questions, I'm pretty well studied on the changes.

Shauk · 03-18-2008, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Redlemon

That was changed back last night (Bug 422420 – Revert home button move and related migration code).

lol haaahahaha.

/flex

I bitch and the internet changes at my whim!

/leet

Ace_O_Spades · 03-18-2008, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Shauk

lol haaahahaha.

/flex

I bitch and the internet changes at my whim!

/leet

This.... made me laugh

blahblah454 · 03-18-2008, 09:13 AM

Yea firefox is awesome. I will be getting this version now.

And for some reason my school only lets us use IE for the site, so I use it with SAIT and nothing else.

Tully Mars · 03-18-2008, 09:32 AM

Doesn't seem to like the Google toolbar.

Redlemon · 03-18-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Tully Mars

Doesn't seem to like the Google toolbar.

FFx3 doesn't like all sorts of extensions, because the people who write the extensions haven't updated the extensions to the new version, or more likely, haven't updated the specs to note that they still work with the new version.

If you prefer to take the highway to the danger zone, open about:config and set both extensions.checkCompatibility and extensions.checkUpdateSecurity to false (if they don't exist, create them as booleans). Then you can install any extension, but don't complain if they break everything.

Hain · 03-18-2008, 10:46 AM

I am not noticing any speed increase... in fact it takes longer than the original 2.0.x.x. As for the memory foot print: I see that it uses less resources on start up but it looks to take up just as much RAM as the 2.0.

Edit: Longer start up time.

Willravel · 03-18-2008, 10:57 AM

I just tested it on a second Mac (Mac Mini, 1.5GHz, 1GB RAM) and it's really fast. What machine are you on, Augi?

Hain · 03-18-2008, 11:02 AM

Windows XP Pro. When I am browsing it seems to speed up from page to page but I have a sneaking suspicion it is prefetching, making it seem faster.

Martian · 03-18-2008, 11:09 AM

3.0b4 in Ubuntu - the memory footprint is smaller, but browsing doesn't seem noticably faster (to be fair, memory footprint in Ubuntu wasn't that big to begin with). Crashed within the first minute of startup. I've restarted it and have been using it for the past ten minutes or so without issue, so hopefully it was an isolated issue. I do have my old version of Firefox still, just in case.

Hain · 03-18-2008, 11:09 AM

I gave my system a quick clean (CCleaned it) and it seems to work much better now. Maybe because that was the first time I started it combined with all the trash that accumulates on this little overused laptop.

Intel Core 2 Duo 1.8GHz, 2.0GB RAM, by the way

Redlemon · 03-18-2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Augi

Windows XP Pro. When I am browsing it seems to speed up from page to page but I have a sneaking suspicion it is prefetching, making it seem faster.

Prefetching went in around 2002, I can't find any reference that it was changed since then.

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Originally Posted by Martian

I do have my old version of Firefox still, just in case.

If you go back, please create a new profile. Versions 2 and 3 don't mix well.

Hain · 03-18-2008, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Redlemon

Prefetching went in around 2002, I can't find any reference that it was changed since then.

I always thought prefetching was only enabled with the FasterFox add-on.

I found "What is FireFox prefetching?", and it explains that one can edit settings not in the preference screen by opening about:config in a firefox tab. Using prefetch in the filter, one finds what the linked article describes: network.prefetch-next. I have "toggled" the set value and it now says false. To me that implies that prefetching is disabled. Am I wrong?

Redlemon · 03-18-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Augi

I always thought prefetching was only enabled with the FasterFox add-on.

I found "What is FireFox prefetching?", and it explains that one can edit settings not in the preference screen by opening about:config in a firefox tab. Using prefetch in the filter, one finds what the linked article describes: network.prefetch-next. I have "toggled" the set value and it now says false. To me that implies that prefetching is disabled. Am I wrong?

Sounds right to me. You might need to restart Firefox to get that setting to apply (some are only set on restart).

msa · 03-18-2008, 01:54 PM

on my computer, opera (9.5 beta1) is still faster than firefox (3 beta 4)
who cares about memory-usage anyway? like you have 50 tabs opened up all the time.

SecretMethod70 · 03-18-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by msa

on my computer, opera (9.5 beta1) is still faster than firefox (3 beta 4)
who cares about memory-usage anyway? like you have 50 tabs opened up all the time.

Actually, I frequently do...probably more

Not that that's a good thing...I need to work on my internet filter a bit

Redlemon · 03-18-2008, 02:43 PM

The speed is a side-issue for me. All browsers are fast enough, the bottleneck is the bandwith.

The functionality is what sells me on Firefox. Seriously, try the Awesomebar as I described it above, and tell me you can use any other browser after that.

Martian · 03-18-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by msa

on my computer, opera (9.5 beta1) is still faster than firefox (3 beta 4)
who cares about memory-usage anyway? like you have 50 tabs opened up all the time.

I certianly care. In Ubuntu I'll typically have 8-10 programs running across various desktops, so it's important to me that the programs I run be as memory-efficient as possible.I may not have 50 tabs open, but as many as 15 isn't unheard of.

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Originally Posted by Redlemon

The functionality is what sells me on Firefox. Seriously, try the Awesomebar as I described it above, and tell me you can use any other browser after that.

I played around with the awesomebar. It's nifty, but I'm not sure I'll have much practical use for it.

I'm currently in my Windows partition and have just updated to the beta here as well. I note that there have been some interface changes to the Windows version that weren't present in the Linux version. Maybe Linux users don't care about eye candy as much? The FF 2.x interface worked just fine for me, so it's not something I'm overly concerned about anyway.

msa · 03-19-2008, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Martian

I certianly care. In Ubuntu I'll typically have 8-10 programs running across various desktops, so it's important to me that the programs I run be as memory-efficient as possible.I may not have 50 tabs open, but as many as 15 isn't unheard of.

ok, sounds reasonable from your point of view, but be sure that your situation is the exception. most people dont have multiple desktops with ~10 programs running at the same time.

Hain · 03-19-2008, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by msa

ok, sounds reasonable from your point of view, but be sure that your situation is the exception. most people dont have multiple desktops with ~10 programs running at the same time.

In academics this is quite often the case. The moment I showed my peers Microsoft's Virtual Desktop Manager, they discovered a whole new mean to slack off in class.

Redlemon · 03-19-2008, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Martian

I note that there have been some interface changes to the Windows version that weren't present in the Linux version. Maybe Linux users don't care about eye candy as much? The FF 2.x interface worked just fine for me, so it's not something I'm overly concerned about anyway.

The interface changes are on the Mac, Vista, and XP versions separately, if I remember correctly. This is especially noticable in what they call the "keyhole", the combined back/forward button. They decided not to do this in Linux, because the interfaces vary so much there that they couldn't establish what the base system should look like.

The Keyhole only shows up in Large Icon mode; if you hate it, try Small Icons.

edit: more details at Visual Refresh and Linux (and you?) at Zarro Boogs found.

snowy · 03-19-2008, 07:46 AM

I gotta say thanks to willravel for the heads up on the Firefox 3 beta. I downloaded it when this thread had 5 posts, and now we're up to 30. It's been an enjoyable browsing experience so far.

YaWhateva · 03-19-2008, 12:00 PM

so on my macbook pro, the startup time is slower than Safari but the browsing speed is much faster.

On Vista its faster I would say than IE7 or Firefox2 but I can't get it to display video from Windows Media Player 11. It does it just fine in Firefox2 and when I go to the place it tells me to install the missing plugin, I download it and I already have it. I've tried repairing and reinstalling and still nothing. It's weird because it works just fine in OSX with the Flip4Mac plugin.

Tully Mars · 03-19-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by YaWhateva

so on my macbook pro, the startup time is slower than Safari but the browsing speed is much faster.

On Vista its faster I would say than IE7 or Firefox2 but I can't get it to display video from Windows Media Player 11. It does it just fine in Firefox2 and when I go to the place it tells me to install the missing plugin, I download it and I already have it. I've tried repairing and reinstalling and still nothing. It's weird because it works just fine in OSX with the Flip4Mac plugin.

I think it does run and load a little faster but I can't get it to run MP either. So I'm closing out anytime I want to watch video content and opening up the old version.

Willravel · 03-19-2008, 12:29 PM

Actually mine was a bit funny with the flip4mac plugin. Normally it looks like like Quicktime, but when I opened a video, there was no frame, nor was there a play button, drop down, or bar showing the progress of the video.

Hmm.

laconic1 · 03-21-2008, 08:12 PM

I've been using this for a few days now, and for the most part it is good. But the one thing that is aggravating me beyond belief is when I click on the down arrow on the urlbar to access sites that I have previously typed in the urlbar and it shows all of my bookmarks and has the description of the page in a big font. How do I get rid of this, and go back to the old way of just having the url names that have been typed?

Willravel · 03-21-2008, 08:15 PM

How do you get rid of it? Go back to Firefox 2.

I have trouble dragging images to my desktop, actually.

Martian · 03-21-2008, 08:18 PM

Has anybody else noticed that their spell check is broken in FF 3? Is this just me? I'm very annoyed by it.

Willravel · 03-21-2008, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Martian

Has anybody else noticed that their spell check is broken in FF 3? Is this just me? I'm very annoyed by it.

It seemed to work on Mac OS X. I'm sure it will be repaired in a bug fix considering how important a feature it is.

Redlemon · 03-25-2008, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by willravel

I have trouble dragging images to my desktop, actually.

Bug 414201 – JPEG images dragged to the Finder have their file extensions changed to .jfif (Mac only)? It was fixed on Thursday, so try a nightly or wait for the next RC.

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Originally Posted by crazybill5280

But the one thing that is aggravating me beyond belief is when I click on the down arrow on the urlbar to access sites that I have previously typed in the urlbar and it shows all of my bookmarks and has the description of the page in a big font. How do I get rid of this, and go back to the old way of just having the url names that have been typed?

The design of it has changed slightly, the bold is gone and the font size is a bit smaller, but it is still 2 lines tall. And it still has your bookmarks and visited pages listed as well.

Instead of just hitting the down arrow, begin typing some words; either URL or page title or something. It should show up very quickly. See my link above regarding the Awesomebar.

Also, they just changed the frecency algorithm to give more weight to manually-typed URLs, but that's post the current RC, only in nightlies.

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Originally Posted by Martian

Has anybody else noticed that their spell check is broken in FF 3? Is this just me? I'm very annoyed by it.

I have not heard any issues with spellcheck on the Mozilla forums. What OS?

Martian · 03-25-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Redlemon

I have not heard any issues with spellcheck on the Mozilla forums. What OS?

Gutsy Gibbon (Ubuntu 7.10). Upon further investigation I have discovered that the spell check works in Pidgin and Thunderbird (v 2.0.0.12) as well as having worked in Firefox 2.x, but does not appear to work in Firefox 3.0b4 or in Openoffice.org; I'm suspecting it may be a dictionary issue and will look into that.

EDIT - I have resolved the issue with Openoffice.org (it was set to use a Canadian dictionary, which isn't available) but am still having problems with FF 3.0b4 when it comes to spell checking. I've been unable to find a similar option in either the Preferences menu or about:config, so it turns out it may be something specific to Firefox after all.

EDIT #2 - Switched back to FF 2.0.0.12 to confirm, spell checking works fine here. I think I may just stick with the release version and leave the beta for now, at least until the next RC.

03-17-2008, 08:45 PM	#6 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	Just a reminder, Firefox 3 is currently beta. __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

03-17-2008, 09:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	you should be able to customize it just like every other button I'd think. Right click somewhere up there and choose customize. Once that is brought up, you should be able to move the buttons around. At least, that's how it works in Firefox 2; I haven't tried Firefox 3 beta. __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

03-18-2008, 05:28 AM	#9 (permalink)
Lucifer Husband of Seamaiden Location: Nova Scotia	My home key wasn't in the bookmarks, it was up on the toolbar where it was supposed to be. But I did have to go and find the forward and back buttons. And I can't get support for roboform toolbar on this one yet. Hopefully that is coming soon. __________________ I am a brother to dragons, and a companion to owls. - Job 30:29 1123, 6536, 5321

03-18-2008, 09:32 AM	#14 (permalink)
Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	Doesn't seem to like the Google toolbar. __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club

03-18-2008, 10:46 AM	#16 (permalink)
Hain has a plan Location: middle of Whywouldanyonebethere	I am not noticing any speed increase... in fact it takes longer than the original 2.0.x.x. As for the memory foot print: I see that it uses less resources on start up but it looks to take up just as much RAM as the 2.0. Edit: Longer start up time. Last edited by Hain; 03-18-2008 at 10:50 AM..

03-17-2008, 08:06 PM	#3 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Psst.... click on The Flash! I've got the download all ready for everyone.

03-17-2008, 08:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	No, no, I added it after you posted. You friggin inspired me.

03-17-2008, 09:00 PM	#7 (permalink)
Shauk Confused Adult Location: Spokane, WA	yeah here are 2 things I don't like about the current beta. One.. the "home" key is now located on the bookmark toolbar. WHY? wasn't it fine where it was? on the NAVIGATION BAR? Now it pushed all my neatly organized bookmarks to the right by one margin. And two... addons/skins... it's all the chaos of patch day on World of Warcraft as everyone is going "why are my ui mods broken!?" same difference. 2 is a nag though, theyll update when v3 hits final. I just need to figure out how to squash the home key.

03-18-2008, 09:13 AM	#13 (permalink)
blahblah454 Let's put a smile on that face Location: On the road...	Yea firefox is awesome. I will be getting this version now. And for some reason my school only lets us use IE for the site, so I use it with SAIT and nothing else.

03-18-2008, 10:57 AM	#17 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	I just tested it on a second Mac (Mac Mini, 1.5GHz, 1GB RAM) and it's really fast. What machine are you on, Augi?

03-18-2008, 11:02 AM	#18 (permalink)
Hain has a plan Location: middle of Whywouldanyonebethere	Windows XP Pro. When I am browsing it seems to speed up from page to page but I have a sneaking suspicion it is prefetching, making it seem faster.

03-18-2008, 11:09 AM	#19 (permalink)
Martian Young Crumudgeon Location: Canada	3.0b4 in Ubuntu - the memory footprint is smaller, but browsing doesn't seem noticably faster (to be fair, memory footprint in Ubuntu wasn't that big to begin with). Crashed within the first minute of startup. I've restarted it and have been using it for the past ten minutes or so without issue, so hopefully it was an isolated issue. I do have my old version of Firefox still, just in case. __________________ I wake up in the morning more tired than before I slept I get through cryin' and I'm sadder than before I wept I get through thinkin' now, and the thoughts have left my head I get through speakin' and I can't remember, not a word that I said - Ben Harper, Show Me A Little Shame

03-18-2008, 11:09 AM	#20 (permalink)
Hain has a plan Location: middle of Whywouldanyonebethere	I gave my system a quick clean (CCleaned it) and it seems to work much better now. Maybe because that was the first time I started it combined with all the trash that accumulates on this little overused laptop. Intel Core 2 Duo 1.8GHz, 2.0GB RAM, by the way Last edited by Hain; 03-18-2008 at 11:10 AM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

03-18-2008, 01:54 PM	#24 (permalink)
msa Upright	on my computer, opera (9.5 beta1) is still faster than firefox (3 beta 4) who cares about memory-usage anyway? like you have 50 tabs opened up all the time.

03-18-2008, 02:43 PM	#26 (permalink)
Redlemon Devoted Donor Location: New England	The speed is a side-issue for me. All browsers are fast enough, the bottleneck is the bandwith. The functionality is what sells me on Firefox. Seriously, try the Awesomebar as I described it above, and tell me you can use any other browser after that. __________________ I can't read your signature. Sorry.

03-19-2008, 07:46 AM	#31 (permalink)
snowy Kick Ass Kunoichi Location: Oregon	I gotta say thanks to willravel for the heads up on the Firefox 3 beta. I downloaded it when this thread had 5 posts, and now we're up to 30. It's been an enjoyable browsing experience so far. __________________ If I am not better, at least I am different. --Jean-Jacques Rousseau

03-19-2008, 12:00 PM	#32 (permalink)
YaWhateva Friend Location: New Mexico	so on my macbook pro, the startup time is slower than Safari but the browsing speed is much faster. On Vista its faster I would say than IE7 or Firefox2 but I can't get it to display video from Windows Media Player 11. It does it just fine in Firefox2 and when I go to the place it tells me to install the missing plugin, I download it and I already have it. I've tried repairing and reinstalling and still nothing. It's weird because it works just fine in OSX with the Flip4Mac plugin. __________________ “If the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush administration again.” - Bill O'Reilly "This is my United States of Whateva!"

03-19-2008, 12:29 PM	#34 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Actually mine was a bit funny with the flip4mac plugin. Normally it looks like like Quicktime, but when I opened a video, there was no frame, nor was there a play button, drop down, or bar showing the progress of the video. Hmm.

03-21-2008, 08:12 PM	#35 (permalink)
laconic1 Junkie	I've been using this for a few days now, and for the most part it is good. But the one thing that is aggravating me beyond belief is when I click on the down arrow on the urlbar to access sites that I have previously typed in the urlbar and it shows all of my bookmarks and has the description of the page in a big font. How do I get rid of this, and go back to the old way of just having the url names that have been typed?

03-21-2008, 08:15 PM	#36 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	How do you get rid of it? Go back to Firefox 2. I have trouble dragging images to my desktop, actually.

03-21-2008, 08:18 PM	#37 (permalink)
Martian Young Crumudgeon Location: Canada	Has anybody else noticed that their spell check is broken in FF 3? Is this just me? I'm very annoyed by it. __________________ I wake up in the morning more tired than before I slept I get through cryin' and I'm sadder than before I wept I get through thinkin' now, and the thoughts have left my head I get through speakin' and I can't remember, not a word that I said - Ben Harper, Show Me A Little Shame