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Chris H · 07-11-2006, 11:18 AM

Hi,

I have downloaded windows vista beta from microsoft and i burnt the iso image to a dvd with nero as a standard data cd and then put it in my pc and told it to boot from the dvd rom drive but it wouln't boot and just came up with a error saying that it couldnt boot as its an incorrect system disk. Is there anyway i could sort this?

Thanks, Chris

Hardknock · 07-11-2006, 11:59 AM

Even the beta version doesn’t work? Here’s your solution, use Linux.

Personally, I think I'll pass on any new OS that comes out of Microsoft. Or at the very least, dont' sign up to be the geniea pig.

Kadath · 07-11-2006, 12:08 PM

The Vista ISO is DVD-sized? Is it a bootable ISO?

Redlemon · 07-11-2006, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardknock

Even the beta version doesn’t work? Here’s your solution, use Linux.

Personally, I think I'll pass on any new OS that comes out of Microsoft. Or at the very least, dont' sign up to be the geniea pig.

Andy Ihnatko had a great article (which I can't find right now) of upgrading to new operating systems. He discussed the parable of the pizza. When the pizza arrives at the table, it looks wonderful. It smells wonderful. You want it, you want it now. However, chances are, if you bite it right now, you will burn the roof of your mouth and have that annonying flappy skin thing hanging down for a couple of days.

So, wait, find out what the major bugs are, then upgrade.

A beta of a web browser? Sure, I use the Bon Echo (Firefox) nightlies. But a beta of an operating system? No frickin' way.

Chris H · 07-11-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kadath

The Vista ISO is DVD-sized? Is it a bootable ISO?

Yes it is DVD sized, 3.1gb, and yes its a bootable iso image.
Chris

Dilbert1234567 · 07-11-2006, 03:43 PM

you dont burn the file to the DVD, you need to create a dvd fromn the file, for my version of nero, i slect open from the menu and select the iso file, then it burns the disk as the image.

as for using a beta os, just install it to a second hard drive, that way, you wont effect the original OS.

guthmund · 07-12-2006, 07:45 AM

If burning it doesn't work, you can also use emulation software (alcohol 120%, Daemon tools, etc...) to install Vista or at least, that's how I understand it. I installed from a DVD.

Keep in mind....

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Originally Posted by Official line from Microsoft

"Once you install Windows Vista Beta 2 you cannot roll back to the previous operating system installation - you will either have to acquire and install the final released edition of Windows Vista or reinstall a previous edition of Windows."

Vista did write a number of files to the drive where XP resides when I installed. I'm not sitting in front of my home pc, but off the top of my head, I believe there were four or five and all of them (as far as I know) were related to the Vista's new boot loader.

It's not that big a deal, but it was slightly irritating. I don't remember any of the Linux distros I've installed this past year doing that...

When you're done playing with Vista (and you will be...soon), there are some hoops you'll have to jump through to get everything back to normal...assuming you're not going to just format everything and start from scratch.

This was posted on planetAMD64 and assumes that you're trying to rollback your pc to a previous installation of XP.

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Boot your computer in to Windows XP.
2. Ensure you have the Vista DVD image emulated or Vista DVD in the drive.
3. Go to “Start” and “Run”. Type in “e:\boot\bootsect.exe /nt52 ALL /force” (without quotes, and replacing e: with the drive letter of your physical/emulated DVD drive.
4. Restart the computer, and you will notice the boot selection menu is gone.
5. Format the partition/drive where you had Vista installed.
6. Remove two files (Boot.BAK & Bootsect.BAK) on your XP drive’s root folder (C: ), these were backup files of your previous bootloader, now no longer useful.
7. Restart to ensure it still works.

Later on in the thread, Pyr0 suggested an alternate method.

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with vista still fully installed, boot to your XP installation
go to start -> run and type "c:\boot\fixntfs -xp" (without the quotes) click ok, and reboot the system

when the system reboots you should notice the bootloader has gone

boot back into xp again and go to disk management

select the drive you have vista installed on, right click it and select format.

then, go to windows explorer and delete these files from the root of your xp drive or partition:

boot (folder)
boot.bak
bootmgr
bootsect.bak

right click on 'My Computer',
select properties -> advanced -> startup and recovery settings, and under system startup, make sure that windows xp is selected as the default

I've been playing with Vista since its initial release and I'm not really all that impressed with it. It's pretty and I like a number of the changes Microsoft has implemented, but it's not enough to justify taking up such valuable real estate....valuable Ubuntu real estate....

Chris H · 07-12-2006, 08:28 AM

Ye, i'm gonna instal it to a spare hdd and i will try using alcohol 120%, and then when im finished... i will just re format

Thanks for your help.
Chris

shortynickel · 07-15-2006, 12:10 PM

i was on the site the other day and cant find the download site for vista, but i swore i found it when i was at work. Do they still have it up?

Chris H · 07-15-2006, 12:29 PM

I downloaded it a few weeks ago but when i checked on their site a couple of days ago i couldnt find it anywhere.
Chris

Dilbert1234567 · 07-15-2006, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris H

I downloaded it a few weeks ago but when i checked on their site a couple of days ago i couldnt find it anywhere.
Chris

beta closed a few weeks ago, cant get it from ms anymore bt still has it floating around though...

captobvious · 07-15-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dilbert1234567

beta closed a few weeks ago, cant get it from ms anymore bt still has it floating around though...

Even if you get it off of BT, you won't be able to activate it with the given key, so your trial period will be limited to 2 weeks...

hobo · 07-16-2006, 10:19 PM

beta 2 isn't too bad. there are still a lot of bugs, but for the most part, everything works on a fresh install, i didn't need to go driver hunting at all.

powerclown · 10-10-2006, 08:36 PM

Can one surf and get email in the Vista beta? Run XP apps and games?

Dilbert1234567 · 10-10-2006, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by powerclown

Can one surf and get email in the Vista beta? Run XP apps and games?

If you have to ask, you shouldn't be running a beta operating system.

But yes it can run emails, surf the web, and should play most games, but since it is a beta system, it may crash.

cyrnel · 10-10-2006, 09:08 PM

Agreed. It works but still stumbles and hurls much worse than XP. Hardware support will be rough for some time.

And they're way beyond beta. Wide release is at candidate 2, also known as: PSP.VB.CTFD.9.
(Pre-Service-Pack, Vacation Booked, Call Them Features, Damnit! v0.9)

Aro23 · 10-11-2006, 06:42 AM

driver support for this o/s will be limited as it is still in beta version.

07-11-2006, 11:18 AM	#1 (permalink)
Chris H Tilted	Windows Vista Hi, I have downloaded windows vista beta from microsoft and i burnt the iso image to a dvd with nero as a standard data cd and then put it in my pc and told it to boot from the dvd rom drive but it wouln't boot and just came up with a error saying that it couldnt boot as its an incorrect system disk. Is there anyway i could sort this? Thanks, Chris __________________ Intel Celeron 2.4ghz 512mb ram 333mhz NVIDIA GEforce fx5200 128mb 40GB Maxtor HDD

07-11-2006, 12:08 PM	#3 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	The Vista ISO is DVD-sized? Is it a bootable ISO? __________________ it's quiet in here

07-11-2006, 03:43 PM	#6 (permalink)
Dilbert1234567 Devils Cabana Boy Location: Central Coast CA	you dont burn the file to the DVD, you need to create a dvd fromn the file, for my version of nero, i slect open from the menu and select the iso file, then it burns the disk as the image. as for using a beta os, just install it to a second hard drive, that way, you wont effect the original OS. __________________ Donate Blood! "Love is not finding the perfect person, but learning to see an imperfect person perfectly." -Sam Keen

07-12-2006, 08:28 AM	#8 (permalink)
Chris H Tilted	Ye, i'm gonna instal it to a spare hdd and i will try using alcohol 120%, and then when im finished... i will just re format Thanks for your help. Chris __________________ Intel Celeron 2.4ghz 512mb ram 333mhz NVIDIA GEforce fx5200 128mb 40GB Maxtor HDD

07-15-2006, 12:10 PM	#9 (permalink)
shortynickel Addict Location: Central PA	i was on the site the other day and cant find the download site for vista, but i swore i found it when i was at work. Do they still have it up? __________________ What type of... "Parents have forgotten how to be parents" Aaron Lewis "Get your ass back here, your a white boy walking thru the ghetto" - at the end of a bachalor party said to the bachalor while walking home.

07-11-2006, 11:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
Hardknock Republican slayer Location: WA	Even the beta version doesn’t work? Here’s your solution, use Linux. Personally, I think I'll pass on any new OS that comes out of Microsoft. Or at the very least, dont' sign up to be the geniea pig.

07-15-2006, 12:29 PM	#10 (permalink)
Chris H Tilted	I downloaded it a few weeks ago but when i checked on their site a couple of days ago i couldnt find it anywhere. Chris __________________ Intel Celeron 2.4ghz 512mb ram 333mhz NVIDIA GEforce fx5200 128mb 40GB Maxtor HDD

07-16-2006, 10:19 PM	#13 (permalink)
hobo Archangel of Change	beta 2 isn't too bad. there are still a lot of bugs, but for the most part, everything works on a fresh install, i didn't need to go driver hunting at all.

10-10-2006, 08:36 PM	#14 (permalink)
powerclown Junkie Location: Detroit, MI	Can one surf and get email in the Vista beta? Run XP apps and games?

10-10-2006, 09:08 PM	#16 (permalink)
cyrnel Adequate Location: In my angry-dome.	Agreed. It works but still stumbles and hurls much worse than XP. Hardware support will be rough for some time. And they're way beyond beta. Wide release is at candidate 2, also known as: PSP.VB.CTFD.9. (Pre-Service-Pack, Vacation Booked, Call Them Features, Damnit! v0.9) __________________ There are a vast number of people who are uninformed and heavily propagandized, but fundamentally decent. The propaganda that inundates them is effective when unchallenged, but much of it goes only skin deep. If they can be brought to raise questions and apply their decent instincts and basic intelligence, many people quickly escape the confines of the doctrinal system and are willing to do something to help others who are really suffering and oppressed." -Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media, p. 195

10-11-2006, 06:42 AM	#17 (permalink)
Aro23 Crazy	driver support for this o/s will be limited as it is still in beta version.