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Esen · 07-30-2005, 04:51 AM

Holey Moley!!! (im a Met fan by the way)

The Mets are seriously considering of parting with Lastings Milledge and on top of that Pitit.

I can deal with losing PItit.
But Milledge? He is the Abreu/ Beltran of the Mets Future. He is the real deal and they may let him slip away to the Devil Rays!!!

In return The Mets would get Manny Ramirez and Baez
Red Sox would get Huff and Caemron
But Man the Rays would get Hanley Ramirez, Milledge ,some really good prospect catcher from Red sux, and Pitit, plus another pitcher.
And they might lose Burnett. but Oh My God they would get the Holy Grail of prospects. Plus dont they alreay have Gathright?

if this deal was to go through Tampa Bay will have World Series ring in 2 to 3 years.

Ramirez would be nice on the Mets but in my opinion giving up Miledge is a big mistake.

Kubz18 · 07-30-2005, 02:22 PM

0% chance this will happen

theo esptein would rather be a homeless man before he trades manny away

i think you just a homer for the mets and some mets baseball writer was just throwing out names

Esen · 07-30-2005, 02:58 PM

actually the story is from the sporting news.

Yes, there's a chance that the Red Sox will trade outfielder Manny Ramirez before Sunday's 4 p.m. ET non-waiver trade deadline, and the Mets are not the only possibility.

The Red Sox also are talking to the Marlins, Rangers and Blue Jays about Ramirez, industry sources say, though a three-way trade involving the Mets and Devil Rays remains the most tantalizing possibility.

That deal, which would send Ramirez to the Mets along with Devil Rays closer Danys Baez, is nowhere close to complete, sources tell The Sporting News.

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"It's going to take a little time," an executive from one of the teams says. "But it's pretty legitimate."

An official from a second team adds, "It's got a ways to go. We have two days left. There's still a lot of talking to do."

A blockbuster of this magnitude faces numerous obstacles, not the least of which is Ramirez's contract, which will pay him $57 million from 2006 to '08.

Thus, the Red Sox are exploring other possibilities.

The Marlins, a team that relishes blockbuster trades, previously have discussed sending right-hander A.J. Burnett to the Sox in a deal that also might include third baseman Mike Lowell. They could revive that combination in a package for Ramirez.

The Rangers nearly acquired Ramirez for Alex Rodriguez after the 2003 season. Their general manager, John Hart, is Ramirez's former G.M. with the Indians, and Ramirez would thrive in the hitter-friendly Ballpark in Arlington.

A deal with the Blue Jays would appear far-fetched -- it is doubtful the Red Sox would trade Ramirez within their own division -- but Jays ownership has pledged to increase payroll by $210 million over the 2005, '06 and '07 seasons.

Meanwhile, the rough outline of a three-way deal between the Sox, Mets and Devil Rays already appears to be in place:

The Mets would receive Ramirez and Baez.

The Red Sox would receive Mets outfielder Mike Cameron and Devil Rays outfielder Aubrey Huff.

The Devil Rays would receive an elite package of prospects from both clubs. Among the possibilities: Mets outfielder Lastings Milledge and righthander Yusmeiro Petit and Red Sox catcher Kelly Shoppach and lefthander Jon Lester or righthander Anibal Sanchez.

If such a deal was completed, the Mets would become a legitimate threat to win the N.L. East, and the Devil Rays' rebuilding program would accelerate rapidly.

However, the Red Sox's chances of repeating as world champions would decrease, in part because they would not receive enough of an immediate return for Ramirez, one of the game's premier hitters.

The deal also would not address the Red Sox's need for pitching, while costing them two top prospects from a farm system that is finally starting to gain strength.

Finally, major league executives are skeptical that Devil Rays general manager Chuck LaMar would agree to a trade with so many moving parts in such a limited trade frame.

LaMar is widely considered to be the most difficult G.M. to negotiate with, setting unrealistic values on his players.

"Unless Tampa Bay gets Milledge and (top Red Sox prospect) Hanley Ramirez and Kelly Shoppach and two other pitchers, I doubt it could happen," says one G.M. who has recent discussions with LaMar.

A year ago at this time, Red Sox G.M. Theo Epstein completed a stunning four-team trade that sent shortstop Nomar Garciaparra to the Cubs and brought first baseman Doug Mientkiewicz and shortstop Orlando Cabrera to the Red Sox.

That deal helped the Sox win their first World Series since 1918. And to think, a Ramirez trade might be considered an even bigger coup.

Senior writer Ken Rosenthal covers baseball for Sporting News. E-mail him at kenrosenthal@sportingnews.com.

Kubz18 · 07-30-2005, 06:13 PM

ok now that i did some looking into the story and took in all the information, ive been listening to espn radio etc

i believe that most of this is alot of fluff. writers,fans, tv, espn, sporting news is looking for any trade possibility with a pulse,

most of this is about that lack of really any trade that matters, this year has been very quiet and i really dont think that there will be any action....soooo

everyone is looking for that one great trade even if theres almost no chance

but i still stand by my 0% chance of this trade being done

kutulu · 07-31-2005, 08:57 AM

This is bullshit. It has to be. I can't imagine the DRays getting all this talent for Huff (a career .828 OPS RF) and Baez, an overrated closer.

07-30-2005, 04:51 AM	#1 (permalink)
Esen TFPer formaly known as Chauncey Location: North East	Mets and Red Sux are on crack if.... Holey Moley!!! (im a Met fan by the way) The Mets are seriously considering of parting with Lastings Milledge and on top of that Pitit. I can deal with losing PItit. But Milledge? He is the Abreu/ Beltran of the Mets Future. He is the real deal and they may let him slip away to the Devil Rays!!! In return The Mets would get Manny Ramirez and Baez Red Sox would get Huff and Caemron But Man the Rays would get Hanley Ramirez, Milledge ,some really good prospect catcher from Red sux, and Pitit, plus another pitcher. And they might lose Burnett. but Oh My God they would get the Holy Grail of prospects. Plus dont they alreay have Gathright? if this deal was to go through Tampa Bay will have World Series ring in 2 to 3 years. Ramirez would be nice on the Mets but in my opinion giving up Miledge is a big mistake. __________________ ~Esen What is everyone doing in my room?

07-30-2005, 02:22 PM	#2 (permalink)
Kubz18 Crazy Location: Austin....Austin, Massachusetts	0% chance this will happen theo esptein would rather be a homeless man before he trades manny away i think you just a homer for the mets and some mets baseball writer was just throwing out names __________________ "I have no idea whats going on"

07-30-2005, 02:58 PM	#3 (permalink)
Esen TFPer formaly known as Chauncey Location: North East	actually the story is from the sporting news. Yes, there's a chance that the Red Sox will trade outfielder Manny Ramirez before Sunday's 4 p.m. ET non-waiver trade deadline, and the Mets are not the only possibility. The Red Sox also are talking to the Marlins, Rangers and Blue Jays about Ramirez, industry sources say, though a three-way trade involving the Mets and Devil Rays remains the most tantalizing possibility. That deal, which would send Ramirez to the Mets along with Devil Rays closer Danys Baez, is nowhere close to complete, sources tell The Sporting News. ADVERTISEMENT "It's going to take a little time," an executive from one of the teams says. "But it's pretty legitimate." An official from a second team adds, "It's got a ways to go. We have two days left. There's still a lot of talking to do." A blockbuster of this magnitude faces numerous obstacles, not the least of which is Ramirez's contract, which will pay him $57 million from 2006 to '08. Thus, the Red Sox are exploring other possibilities. The Marlins, a team that relishes blockbuster trades, previously have discussed sending right-hander A.J. Burnett to the Sox in a deal that also might include third baseman Mike Lowell. They could revive that combination in a package for Ramirez. The Rangers nearly acquired Ramirez for Alex Rodriguez after the 2003 season. Their general manager, John Hart, is Ramirez's former G.M. with the Indians, and Ramirez would thrive in the hitter-friendly Ballpark in Arlington. A deal with the Blue Jays would appear far-fetched -- it is doubtful the Red Sox would trade Ramirez within their own division -- but Jays ownership has pledged to increase payroll by $210 million over the 2005, '06 and '07 seasons. Meanwhile, the rough outline of a three-way deal between the Sox, Mets and Devil Rays already appears to be in place: The Mets would receive Ramirez and Baez. The Red Sox would receive Mets outfielder Mike Cameron and Devil Rays outfielder Aubrey Huff. The Devil Rays would receive an elite package of prospects from both clubs. Among the possibilities: Mets outfielder Lastings Milledge and righthander Yusmeiro Petit and Red Sox catcher Kelly Shoppach and lefthander Jon Lester or righthander Anibal Sanchez. If such a deal was completed, the Mets would become a legitimate threat to win the N.L. East, and the Devil Rays' rebuilding program would accelerate rapidly. However, the Red Sox's chances of repeating as world champions would decrease, in part because they would not receive enough of an immediate return for Ramirez, one of the game's premier hitters. The deal also would not address the Red Sox's need for pitching, while costing them two top prospects from a farm system that is finally starting to gain strength. Finally, major league executives are skeptical that Devil Rays general manager Chuck LaMar would agree to a trade with so many moving parts in such a limited trade frame. LaMar is widely considered to be the most difficult G.M. to negotiate with, setting unrealistic values on his players. "Unless Tampa Bay gets Milledge and (top Red Sox prospect) Hanley Ramirez and Kelly Shoppach and two other pitchers, I doubt it could happen," says one G.M. who has recent discussions with LaMar. A year ago at this time, Red Sox G.M. Theo Epstein completed a stunning four-team trade that sent shortstop Nomar Garciaparra to the Cubs and brought first baseman Doug Mientkiewicz and shortstop Orlando Cabrera to the Red Sox. That deal helped the Sox win their first World Series since 1918. And to think, a Ramirez trade might be considered an even bigger coup. Senior writer Ken Rosenthal covers baseball for Sporting News. E-mail him at kenrosenthal@sportingnews.com. __________________ ~Esen What is everyone doing in my room?

07-30-2005, 06:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
Kubz18 Crazy Location: Austin....Austin, Massachusetts	ok now that i did some looking into the story and took in all the information, ive been listening to espn radio etc i believe that most of this is alot of fluff. writers,fans, tv, espn, sporting news is looking for any trade possibility with a pulse, most of this is about that lack of really any trade that matters, this year has been very quiet and i really dont think that there will be any action....soooo everyone is looking for that one great trade even if theres almost no chance but i still stand by my 0% chance of this trade being done __________________ "I have no idea whats going on"

07-31-2005, 08:57 AM	#5 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	This is bullshit. It has to be. I can't imagine the DRays getting all this talent for Huff (a career .828 OPS RF) and Baez, an overrated closer.