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Not Right Now · 10-13-2007, 08:24 AM

I read about this, but I wanted to sit back and wait until everythign was confirmed and it's looking like this is all true, and completely unfortunate.
PRIDE fighting is officially dead. UFC had been trying to run it as a second tier organization kind of likethey do WEC, but that failed apparently.

Fedor Emelianenko Pride's HW champion, signed to M-1 a Russian MMA company, this comes as terrible news because The UFC has been after Fedor all year, btu they didn't want to let him compete in Combat Sambo tournaments, Fedor represents him country at Sambo, he is a part of the national team, this was a mistake on the UFC's part. Signing to this company, Fedor has no one to fight, maybe a new star will be born, but until then, he has nothing. This killed the possiblity of a dream fight with Randy Couture as wel as many other match-ups fans wanted to see; Gonzanga, Arlovski, Vera, Sylvia, Cro-Cop, Werdum, etc...

To make this week even worse, Randy Couture, severed all ties wiht the UFC over the Fedor fight not being signed and the "lack of respect" the company has for him, a man who helped build the company/sport up to what it is today. Good job Dana White. I agree in saying that the only person in the company who should POSSIBLY make more money than Randy is Chuck Liddell. That trilogy heped build MMA into what it is today, and after that Chuck helped send the company into a boom and has been one of the more marketable faces in the UFC. Yet they offer Fedor 8 times what they pay Randy.

Dana White, I am not too happy with you at the moment.

essendoubleop · 10-13-2007, 09:03 AM

Well, Couture had already retired before and UFC was hotter than ever. The silver lining in this though, is now Couture has the opportunity to sign with M-1 and fight Fedor over there. I'm of the party that thinks Fedor is overrated and would be another Cro Crop and Shogun in the UFC, but that's not to say I wouldn't have liked to see him in the UFC.

Plan9 · 10-13-2007, 09:20 AM

So I watch this instead.

Quality martial arts techniques.

Strange Famous · 10-13-2007, 11:47 AM

a bunch of hooligans throwing cheap shots while their opponent is on the floor.

Ive seen more class in the average pub car park brawl.

Im sorry, but I detest this "MMA" street fighting which presents itself as some kind of alternative sport to the sweet science. It is ugly and cheap and should not be licensed or allowed in any public venue.

Plan9 · 10-13-2007, 12:01 PM

So watch World Combat League instead. Much better representation of martial arts.

Or watch tennis. Tennis is gentle. And loaded with hot chicks.

filtherton · 10-13-2007, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

a bunch of hooligans throwing cheap shots while their opponent is on the floor.

Ive seen more class in the average pub car park brawl.

Im sorry, but I detest this "MMA" street fighting which presents itself as some kind of alternative sport to the sweet science. It is ugly and cheap and should not be licensed or allowed in any public venue.

Yep, it's pretty difficult to outclass a sport which made household names out of the likes of mike tyson and don king.

Strange Famous · 10-13-2007, 01:09 PM

And Jack Johnson and Sugar Ray Robinson.

I have watched MMA fights, and to see a guy get put down, and then the opponent jumps down and kicks and punches the man that is down - is utterly appalling and against every instinct of fairness and decency. It truly disgusts me.

Even in a brawl in the street - it is out of bounds to strike a man that is down. In this so called "sport" it is the norm.

Plan9 · 10-13-2007, 01:10 PM

Uh... how many street fights have you seen / been in?

filtherton · 10-13-2007, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

And Jack Johnson and Sugar Ray Robinson.

I have watched MMA fights, and to see a guy get put down, and then the opponent jumps down and kicks and punches the man that is down - is utterly appalling and against every instinct of fairness and decency. It truly disgusts me.

Even in a brawl in the street - it is out of bounds to strike a man that is down. In this so called "sport" it is the norm.

I don't think you've been in many street fights- i'm not saying that i have. Last i heard, though, there weren't any rules.

In any case, whenever i watch boxing i can't help but think, "Yeah, this guy could totally kick my ass, but he probably wouldn't last 30 seconds in a muy thai ring, much less a MMA competition." Or when i was taking jkd, "Yeah, that guy can punch, but how well would he do with a dislocated shoulder?"

I do have a george foreman grill and that things is awesome.

Strange Famous · 10-13-2007, 01:17 PM

I've seen MEN fight.

I am sure in any society there is a certain element of cowards that will stab a man in the back or kick a man that is down. If they are especially brutal perhaps they go on to become cage fighters

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Originally Posted by filtherton

I don't think you've been in many street fights- i'm not saying that i have. Last i heard, though, there weren't any rules.

In any case, whenever i watch boxing i can't help but think, "Yeah, this guy could totally kick my ass, but he probably wouldn't last 30 seconds in a muy thai ring, much less a MMA competition." Or when i was taking jkd, "Yeah, that guy can punch, but how well would he do with a dislocated shoulder?"

I do have a george foreman grill and that things is awesome.

it goes both ways mate. Put one of these louts into a ring and make them fight by the Queensbury rules, and they would be taken apart. But someone schooled in boxing into a fight where it is considered "sporting" to
dip your gloves in resin and broken glass, and I'm sure youre right, they'd have a rough time.

That said, whatever martial art you know... I wouldnt back many people against George Foreman in a no hold bars fight when he was in his prime. He was a monster. Even in his late 40's and hopelessly slow and fat, he could punch with the force of a car wreck.

filtherton · 10-13-2007, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

I've seen MEN fight.

I am sure in any society there is a certain element of cowards that will stab a man in the back or kick a man that is down. If they are especially brutal perhaps they go on to become cage fighters

Or bite someone's ear...

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it goes both ways mate. Put one of these louts into a ring and make them fight by the Queensbury rules, and they would be taken apart.

I don't know about that. I'd wager that a proficient muy thai fighter would be a great match for a proficient boxer.

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But someone schooled in boxing into a fight where it is considered "sporting" to
dip your gloves in resin and broken glass, and I'm sure youre right, they'd have a rough time.

I'm not that into mma, so i guess this might just reflect that, but i've never heard of this happening at a mma event. I have seen the movie kickboxer- van damme movies are not the best places to learn things.

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That said, whatever martial art you know... I wouldnt back many people against George Foreman in a no hold bars fight when he was in his prime. He was a monster. Even in his late 40's and hopelessly slow and fat, he could punch with the force of a car wreck.

I'd back anyone over age 25 in the grace family over foreman any day.

Strange Famous · 10-13-2007, 01:46 PM

Foreman at 25 would have tore these guys up. He is an old man now, of course he cant fight anymore

and Tyson was DISQUALIFIED for biting.

In your average cage fight that is prolly a point deduction.

filtherton · 10-13-2007, 01:53 PM

Foreman at 25 would have gotten a dislocation or two.

This really isn't worth arguing over. Both sports have their place, and both are interesting if you know enough about them.

Not Right Now · 10-15-2007, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Crompsin

Uh... how many street fights have you seen / been in?

Yeah... same thing I thought.

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Originally Posted by filtherton

Foreman at 25 would have gotten a dislocation or two.

This really isn't worth arguing over. Both sports have their place, and both are interesting if you know enough about them.

Agreed. There is discipline in both. I guarentee you throw any random random bar brawler in the ring or the octagon and he will get destroyed.

Sion · 10-16-2007, 11:19 AM

in a street fight, if you fight by the Queensbury rules, you are most likely going to get seriously hurt, even killed. in a street or bar fight, I'd be looking to end the fight as quickly as possible, which means that if I have to break bones or gouge an eye out, I'm going to do it. since I have no way of knowing whether my opponent will stop attacking if I go down, I must prevent that from happening at all costs.

SF, if you want to see what a REAL street fight looks like, youtube and the other video sites are full of them. if you take a look at some, you'll find that people fighting in the street do NOT follow any rules and will not hesitate to kick a man who's down. I'm not saying that it's right, just that it is reality.

Glory's Sun · 10-16-2007, 11:58 AM

I can't think of any past or present boxer.. George Forman included, that would be able to last more than a minute against MMA or Muay Thai fighters. The simple reasoning behind this is boxers have one skill.. MMA fighters incorporate many different skills.

I don't know what street fights some have watched but they are generally known to be "no rules". No rules includes hitting someone when they are down.

Boxing is dead.

Not Right Now · 10-18-2007, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Sion

in a street fight, if you fight by the Queensbury rules, you are most likely going to get seriously hurt, even killed. in a street or bar fight, I'd be looking to end the fight as quickly as possible, which means that if I have to break bones or gouge an eye out, I'm going to do it. since I have no way of knowing whether my opponent will stop attacking if I go down, I must prevent that from happening at all costs.

SF, if you want to see what a REAL street fight looks like, youtube and the other video sites are full of them. if you take a look at some, you'll find that people fighting in the street do NOT follow any rules and will not hesitate to kick a man who's down. I'm not saying that it's right, just that it is reality.

When MMA Started it was virtually no holds barred, there are rules now, more then ther probably should be, and preople fail to see that, because the idea of groundfighting seems so violent to the masses for no reason at all.

I've been in bar fights and streetfights. I've trained kickboxing and hobbied in wrestling, and the difference is huge. I'm more likely to get hurt in a street fight.

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I can't think of any past or present boxer.. George Forman included, that would be able to last more than a minute against MMA or Muay Thai fighters. The simple reasoning behind this is boxers have one skill.. MMA fighters incorporate many different skills.

I don't know what street fights some have watched but they are generally known to be "no rules". No rules includes hitting someone when they are down.

Boxing is dead.

Good Call on Muay Thai.

waltert · 10-21-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

And Jack Johnson and Sugar Ray Robinson.

I have watched MMA fights, and to see a guy get put down, and then the opponent jumps down and kicks and punches the man that is down - is utterly appalling and against every instinct of fairness and decency. It truly disgusts me.

Even in a brawl in the street - it is out of bounds to strike a man that is down. In this so called "sport" it is the norm.

I'm not particularly fond of fighting or professional athletes for that matter, but I have watched a few UFC matches recently, and from what I have seen, they do a very good job of stopping the fight at the right time.

and from what I understand, street fights often involve grappling.

Mojo_PeiPei · 10-21-2007, 05:42 PM

Anybody hear about Dana White and Floyd Mayweather getting into it a while back in the press? Mayweather called UFC fights, and I imagine MMA's as a whole, more or less chumps, Dana White extended an offer. Obviously won't happen but that would be sweet.

Also Put a primed Tyson in the cage, I don't know if he could be stopped by any MMA fighter.

Plan9 · 10-21-2007, 06:09 PM

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and from what I understand, street fights often involve grappling.

Aaah, the reason why UFC is only one on one.

Grappling is a really, really bad idea against multiple opponents.

You learn this real quick when you test for your 4th degree black belt in AFC.

I took part in a black belt test where the guy had four on one for six minutes.

Zero grappling. It involved running and a lot of jabs and sidekicks.

...

UFC fighters have very poor technical ability, but they're popular personalities.

Glory's Sun · 10-21-2007, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei

Also Put a primed Tyson in the cage, I don't know if he could be stopped by any MMA fighter.

I'd take a bet on that. Just in the UFC, I think Couture could stop him. Give me Emelianenko and I'll show you a primed Tyson hitting the mat in :40 easy.

waltert · 10-22-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Crompsin

Aaah, the reason why UFC is only one on one.

Grappling is a really, really bad idea against multiple opponents.

You learn this real quick when you test for your 4th degree black belt in AFC.

I took part in a black belt test where the guy had four on one for six minutes.

Zero grappling. It involved running and a lot of jabs and sidekicks.

...

UFC fighters have very poor technical ability, but they're popular personalities.

I dont have fighting talent myself, and a multiple opponent situation would result in multiple shots fired.

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not trying to sound like some billy badass or anything saying that, its just that I know I would lose, and in an unregulated fight, you never know whats going to happen once you're down.

Daval · 10-24-2007, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Not Right Now

I read about this, but I wanted to sit back and wait until everythign was confirmed and it's looking like this is all true, and completely unfortunate.
PRIDE fighting is officially dead. UFC had been trying to run it as a second tier organization kind of likethey do WEC, but that failed apparently.

Fedor Emelianenko Pride's HW champion, signed to M-1 a Russian MMA company, this comes as terrible news because The UFC has been after Fedor all year, btu they didn't want to let him compete in Combat Sambo tournaments, Fedor represents him country at Sambo, he is a part of the national team, this was a mistake on the UFC's part. Signing to this company, Fedor has no one to fight, maybe a new star will be born, but until then, he has nothing. This killed the possiblity of a dream fight with Randy Couture as wel as many other match-ups fans wanted to see; Gonzanga, Arlovski, Vera, Sylvia, Cro-Cop, Werdum, etc...

To make this week even worse, Randy Couture, severed all ties wiht the UFC over the Fedor fight not being signed and the "lack of respect" the company has for him, a man who helped build the company/sport up to what it is today. Good job Dana White. I agree in saying that the only person in the company who should POSSIBLY make more money than Randy is Chuck Liddell. That trilogy heped build MMA into what it is today, and after that Chuck helped send the company into a boom and has been one of the more marketable faces in the UFC. Yet they offer Fedor 8 times what they pay Randy.

Dana White, I am not too happy with you at the moment.

Well. I think its good for business to have a strong competition. This will allow UFC to strive to be better and the consumer will win in the end. With the demise of Pride it looked as though UFC would be the only serious game in town, however with the signing of Fedor by M-1 and the others in Fedor's camp that will certainly follow M-1 could grow to be a serious competition for UFC - hopefully they tour internationally.

I think Couture is going to end up there as well. I think there is also a good chance that Shogun, Ninja, Henderson, Cro Cop and other Pride alumni may end up there as well.

I don't want to see any more attrition in the UFC ranks to head to M-1, but I'm not thinking this is a bad thing. Fighters will go back and forth between the two companies and we'll see some great fights in the end.

Not Right Now · 10-26-2007, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Crompsin

UFC fighters have very poor technical ability, but they're popular personalities.

Not necessarily, there are guys who get by on how hard they hit, or the fact that they can pin you down on the matt for 15-25 minutes without a problem. But iff you look at someone with the Muay Thai of an Anderson Silva (A World Muay Thai champion), The Ju jitsu of Bj Penn (The first non-Brazilian to win mundials and fastest person in history to a bjj black belt), The Wrestling of a guy like Jeff Monson (multiple gold medals in submission wrestling) around fighting ability of Fedor Emelianenko (Gold medals in Boxing, Judo, and Combat Sambo), or even the shear genius of planning by a Randy Couture (an olympic wrestler), it's hard to say that they have poor technical ability.

I'm not saying they are all studs at their respective martial art, but the one's that are are usualy quite dominant. If you were to put a street brawler in the octogon he will more than likely get destroyed in no time.

Sion · 10-27-2007, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Not Right Now

If you were to put a street brawler in the octogon he will more than likely get destroyed in no time.

see Abbott, Tank.

Not Right Now · 10-27-2007, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Sion

see Abbott, Tank.

He has a 10-13 losing record and has only beat nobodies. Any time he goes up against a top-tier or mid-level opponent, he's usually put to sleep or submitted within the first round.

He's going to go up against the infamous web-brawler Kimbo Slice fairly soon, in what is sure to be one of the worst moments in mma history.

Freestyle fighting only works for street fights, they might as well rename it self-defense.

Kewpie Dan · 10-28-2007, 05:31 PM

talking about multiples and fighting more than one person i know the only true 100% fool proof method of self defence.

all other arts cannot even begin to compete once you've mastered this and i will let all of you in on the secret.

the most fool proof method of self defence is .......... 100 metre dash!

Not Right Now · 10-28-2007, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kewpie Dan

talking about multiples and fighting more than one person i know the only true 100% fool proof method of self defence.

all other arts cannot even begin to compete once you've mastered this and i will let all of you in on the secret.

the most fool proof method of self defence is .......... 100 metre dash!

lol.

10-13-2007, 08:24 AM	#1 (permalink)
Not Right Now Insane Location: Far Away	Worst Week in MMA History I read about this, but I wanted to sit back and wait until everythign was confirmed and it's looking like this is all true, and completely unfortunate. PRIDE fighting is officially dead. UFC had been trying to run it as a second tier organization kind of likethey do WEC, but that failed apparently. Fedor Emelianenko Pride's HW champion, signed to M-1 a Russian MMA company, this comes as terrible news because The UFC has been after Fedor all year, btu they didn't want to let him compete in Combat Sambo tournaments, Fedor represents him country at Sambo, he is a part of the national team, this was a mistake on the UFC's part. Signing to this company, Fedor has no one to fight, maybe a new star will be born, but until then, he has nothing. This killed the possiblity of a dream fight with Randy Couture as wel as many other match-ups fans wanted to see; Gonzanga, Arlovski, Vera, Sylvia, Cro-Cop, Werdum, etc... To make this week even worse, Randy Couture, severed all ties wiht the UFC over the Fedor fight not being signed and the "lack of respect" the company has for him, a man who helped build the company/sport up to what it is today. Good job Dana White. I agree in saying that the only person in the company who should POSSIBLY make more money than Randy is Chuck Liddell. That trilogy heped build MMA into what it is today, and after that Chuck helped send the company into a boom and has been one of the more marketable faces in the UFC. Yet they offer Fedor 8 times what they pay Randy. Dana White, I am not too happy with you at the moment. __________________ I only came to dance.

10-13-2007, 09:20 AM	#3 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	So I watch this instead. Quality martial arts techniques. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

10-13-2007, 11:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	a bunch of hooligans throwing cheap shots while their opponent is on the floor. Ive seen more class in the average pub car park brawl. Im sorry, but I detest this "MMA" street fighting which presents itself as some kind of alternative sport to the sweet science. It is ugly and cheap and should not be licensed or allowed in any public venue. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

10-13-2007, 12:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	So watch World Combat League instead. Much better representation of martial arts. Or watch tennis. Tennis is gentle. And loaded with hot chicks. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

10-13-2007, 01:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	And Jack Johnson and Sugar Ray Robinson. I have watched MMA fights, and to see a guy get put down, and then the opponent jumps down and kicks and punches the man that is down - is utterly appalling and against every instinct of fairness and decency. It truly disgusts me. Even in a brawl in the street - it is out of bounds to strike a man that is down. In this so called "sport" it is the norm. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

10-13-2007, 09:03 AM	#2 (permalink)
essendoubleop Psycho	Well, Couture had already retired before and UFC was hotter than ever. The silver lining in this though, is now Couture has the opportunity to sign with M-1 and fight Fedor over there. I'm of the party that thinks Fedor is overrated and would be another Cro Crop and Shogun in the UFC, but that's not to say I wouldn't have liked to see him in the UFC.

10-13-2007, 01:10 PM	#8 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	Uh... how many street fights have you seen / been in? __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

10-13-2007, 01:46 PM	#12 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	Foreman at 25 would have tore these guys up. He is an old man now, of course he cant fight anymore and Tyson was DISQUALIFIED for biting. In your average cage fight that is prolly a point deduction. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas Last edited by Strange Famous; 10-13-2007 at 01:49 PM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

10-13-2007, 01:53 PM	#13 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	Foreman at 25 would have gotten a dislocation or two. This really isn't worth arguing over. Both sports have their place, and both are interesting if you know enough about them.

10-16-2007, 11:19 AM	#15 (permalink)
Sion Dumb all over...a little ugly on the side Location: In the room where the giant fire puffer works, and the torture never stops.	in a street fight, if you fight by the Queensbury rules, you are most likely going to get seriously hurt, even killed. in a street or bar fight, I'd be looking to end the fight as quickly as possible, which means that if I have to break bones or gouge an eye out, I'm going to do it. since I have no way of knowing whether my opponent will stop attacking if I go down, I must prevent that from happening at all costs. SF, if you want to see what a REAL street fight looks like, youtube and the other video sites are full of them. if you take a look at some, you'll find that people fighting in the street do NOT follow any rules and will not hesitate to kick a man who's down. I'm not saying that it's right, just that it is reality. __________________ He's the best, of course, of all the worst. Some wrong been done, he done it first. -fz I jus' want ta thank you...falettinme...be mice elf...agin...

10-16-2007, 11:58 AM	#16 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	I can't think of any past or present boxer.. George Forman included, that would be able to last more than a minute against MMA or Muay Thai fighters. The simple reasoning behind this is boxers have one skill.. MMA fighters incorporate many different skills. I don't know what street fights some have watched but they are generally known to be "no rules". No rules includes hitting someone when they are down. Boxing is dead.

10-21-2007, 05:42 PM	#19 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Anybody hear about Dana White and Floyd Mayweather getting into it a while back in the press? Mayweather called UFC fights, and I imagine MMA's as a whole, more or less chumps, Dana White extended an offer. Obviously won't happen but that would be sweet. Also Put a primed Tyson in the cage, I don't know if he could be stopped by any MMA fighter. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

10-28-2007, 05:31 PM	#27 (permalink)
Kewpie Dan powered by the souls of dead warriors Location: In the rain, dying	talking about multiples and fighting more than one person i know the only true 100% fool proof method of self defence. all other arts cannot even begin to compete once you've mastered this and i will let all of you in on the secret. the most fool proof method of self defence is .......... 100 metre dash! __________________ I'm so awesome I made your mom cry!