j8ear

Roachboy, you've got such an eloquent grace to your prose that one is tempted to embrace and feel enlightened by it.

But as you so aptly reminded us of PT Barnum's greatest observation:

Stupidity shows itself in so many ways, that believing the messenger on a purely style over substance fashion, as your commentary is deigned to permit, I think is a valid obsevation on the otherwise purely fallacious, without a doubt unsubstantiated, and largely back handed attempts to repeat the false, almost as if convinced yourself, that it is true. At the very least hoping that the repetition will convince those which PT Barnum so brilliantly marketed to. I suspect you are well regarded and often patted on the back for this. As you should be. Masterful obfuscation and distortion of the reality unfolded, and unfolding around you.

This is probably the reason, and I thank you for highlighting it, why the very ideology which has produced nary a success, and probably exacerbated every ill into which it has soiled the waters, remains in existence at all.

-bear

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shakran

I appreciate that you compliment roachboy on his prose, which as you say is quite eloquent. Fortunately or not, I do not have the patience to be so eloquent, so I will simply have to settle for saying that your statement is perhaps the biggest load of unadulterated crap I have ever read on these forums.

To suggest that the democrats have never been successful at anything means you either know nothing at all about history, or that you just make crap up to "prove" the point of your side. Which is it?

I'm not even going to bother refuting that idiotic claim because anyone that's ever read a history book is already going to know it for what it is - completely false propaganda.

j8ear

Well argued, that's for sure.

-bear

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shakran

Hey, like I said, I'm not gonna be eloquent about it. I'm gonna call it like it is. If it looks like crap, and smells like crap, and attracts flies, it's probably crap.

smooth

I'm pretty sure he's discussing the overall trajectory of the republican party; that is, a unified front between two fundamentally incompatible interests: populist & economic elites.

This is the frature that is starting to show it's seams. I have no idea what precipitated it, other than good ole time. But I have to wonder of the tactical ramifcations, if that is, the cracking facade is planned. Perhaps one wing thinks itself strong enough to assert it's muscle?

This would square with the notion of Bush's pre-emptive stance on politcs.
But, since I see Busg, et al, as Machiavellian, I can not ignore the reality that they may have used the christian base for what was necessary and are now ready to slough them off.

So:
1) the populist wing of the republican party misanalyzed the extent of its power
or
2) the powerful (economic) wing of the republican party is ready to slough off the populist segment

IF they were to do so, the populist segment would be absolutely nowhere economically, politically, and socially disenfranchised...I mean, haven't any of you who adhere to that political identity noticed the marginalization of your platform as this presidency dwindles down?

The sad point I think about ideolouges is that it won't matter in the long-run, because when someone stokes the fire, they come a runnin so the administration can defer their demands pretty much ?indefinately? <<< that is the big question in my mind...how long

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smooth

EDIT: ok, this comment was intended for elphaba in reference to roachboy seems quite a bit happened while i was typing...

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"You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists." -- Abbie Hoffman