Who would you like to see Conquered? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Astrocloud · 10-13-2003, 03:56 PM

Hypothetically, imagine that you are driving home and you hear on the radio that the United States has declared yet another war. Unfortunately you are in a hurry and can't catch the whole news story -so you don't know who the US is at war with.

Who do you secretly hope will get it?

(Note that there are restrictions to the number of elements in a poll... I would've included EVERY single country but decided to limit the countries that people are likely to hate.)

If your most hated country isn't on this list -Tell us what should be here OR if you really hate this poll... just tell us so.

Astrocloud · 10-13-2003, 04:14 PM

I voted against Zimbabwe because I have a thing against piss-ant dictators who bring thier countries down with them.

Bah! Like that'll ever happen.. (Maybe if Zimbabwe had oil).

The_Dude · 10-13-2003, 04:20 PM

Saudi Arabia. I hate countries based on religion, so Iran and Isreal would come in for a distant 2nd

archer2371 · 10-13-2003, 04:49 PM

The PRC, they can get really annoying sometimes. Not to mention, they're the only challenge that can put up a fight against us.

maximusveritas · 10-13-2003, 04:50 PM

so why isn't the USA listed? isn't it the most hated country? Not that I'd like to see it clobbered since I live here, but I'm pretty sure many outside the US would certainly like it.

Astrocloud · 10-13-2003, 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by maximusveritas
so why isn't the USA listed? isn't it the most hated country? Not that I'd like to see it clobbered since I live here, but I'm pretty sure many outside the US would certainly like it.

Problem is that the US can't attack itself. At least I don't think so. Maybe Bush can 'figgre' out a way.

Liquor Dealer · 10-13-2003, 04:56 PM

I think we ought' go over and do France - If for no other reason than shits and giggles. When there ass is almost kicked - elapsed time 1 min and 3 secs. they can look off to the horizon to see who is coming to their rescue this time and say Merde!!!

maximusveritas · 10-13-2003, 04:58 PM

well, your question wasn't really who do you think the US should attack. It was "Who would you like to see conquered?" , "Who do you think most deserves to get Clobbered", and "Who do you secretly hope will get it?" But hey, its your poll.

Astrocloud · 10-13-2003, 06:27 PM

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Originally posted by maximusveritas
well, your question wasn't really who do you think the US should attack. It was "Who would you like to see conquered?" , "Who do you think most deserves to get Clobbered", and "Who do you secretly hope will get it?" But hey, its your poll.

Fair enough. If I was to do it with unlimited countries... I'd add the US.

I'd also add Venezuela and Syria... Call me a warmonger.

Phaenx · 10-13-2003, 06:32 PM

I voted France. Some of the others are far greater threats to be sure, China especially but they never really do us any harm and I don't think they'd want to even if we meant to blow up their embassy when we did. France though keeps putting their thumb in our eye.

Plus, France is prettier then China or Iran.

archer2371 · 10-13-2003, 06:57 PM

France is too easy, I mean, we could send in one fuckin Marine and they'd be like, fuck, we give up, there's just no hope!

Conclamo Ludus · 10-13-2003, 07:51 PM

I wanted to see the Federated States of Micronesia, they just can't keep their mouths shut damnit! Always yapping away criticizing the world and using their security council veto irresponsibly.

Ustwo · 10-13-2003, 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by maximusveritas
so why isn't the USA listed? isn't it the most hated country? Not that I'd like to see it clobbered since I live here, but I'm pretty sure many outside the US would certainly like it.

You know you COULD move. I hear Canada is lovely this time of year, butt cold, but lovely.

splck · 10-13-2003, 08:19 PM

Why no USA? Not everyone here is an American

Food Eater Lad · 10-13-2003, 08:21 PM

North Korea before they start selling nukes to terrorists. Mabye Clinton should have thought of that when he was ignoring them during his tenure.

mystmarimatt · 10-13-2003, 08:25 PM

Israel. granted it's our fault for puting them there, i just would rather see the whole area given back to the palenstians, since they were there before the nation of israel was created in 1947. it's archaic, but one wonders if it might possibly get some of the terrorists organizations off our backs. speaking in the most broad of terms, though.

Lebell · 10-13-2003, 08:32 PM

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Originally posted by mystmarimatt
Israel. granted it's our fault for puting them there, i just would rather see the whole area given back to the palenstians, since they were there before the nation of israel was created in 1947. it's archaic, but one wonders if it might possibly get some of the terrorists organizations off our backs. speaking in the most broad of terms, though.

I think you need to review your history, both ancient and recent, but that's another thread.

North Korea was my choice.

I mean, my God, those people are turning cannibal.

And all the "Dear Leader" can do is build up his military to INSANE proportions while playing nuclear brinksmanship while blaming everyone but himself and his father ("The Great Leader") for killing their people.

auswegian · 10-14-2003, 05:55 AM

I voted Israel. Solves the largest problem in the Middle East, and gives the US one hell of a black eye as it goes down. Hell, the entire East Coast might be radioactive rubble by the end of it, they do have a lot of nukes you know, and submarine. Thats one way to end rampant unilateralism.

Count_Khocula · 10-14-2003, 06:12 AM

i voted Israel too. i can't understand why they don't just stop creating settlements and make peace. surely they see that they are as big a cause of the terrorism against them as the Palestinians. they commit their own atrocities everyday too.

of course, i see both sides point of view but i think if Israel was no more than a lot of issues would be resolved.

dy156 · 10-14-2003, 08:32 AM

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Originally posted by Lebell
I think you need to review your history, both ancient and recent, but that's another thread.

North Korea was my choice.

I mean, my God, those people are turning cannibal.

And all the "Dear Leader" can do is build up his military to INSANE proportions while playing nuclear brinksmanship while blaming everyone but himself and his father ("The Great Leader") for killing their people.

You made two points I was going to make, about the palestinians "right" to their homeland, and about how North Korea would be better of if we "conquered" them, but I also wanted to add that Saudi Arabia would be my next choice, but not until their rulers are overthrown from within.

Let me stick up for Israel some more, though. What are you people thinking?! I'm not jewish, nor do I have any close friends that are, but I admire the nation and the people quite a bit. They have a tiny piece of land and almost no natural resources, but have a far more stable government than any other on that list with the possible exception of France. When their nation has been attacked, they obliterated the attacking forces and conquered more land, which they eventually gave back for peace. They have a greater historical "right" to the land than the Palestinians, yet they bent over backwards giving and giving concessions in the hopes of a peace agreement with Yassir Arafat, only for him to ask for more and then say it wasn't enough. We, the U.S. also owe them debts of gratitude for their restraint in the 1st Gulf War and for attacking Iraq's nuclear powerplant in the 80's. I could go on, but, as was stated before, that's not the point of this thread. I was just really suprised at the results after voting. Also, with the possible exception of China, they would be the hardest to conquer.

eple · 10-14-2003, 08:52 AM

Another vote for the US, even though they are not listed...

Israel is e good second-choise I guess. Those guys are a disgrace to the western world and to jews in general.

Pacifier · 10-14-2003, 10:05 AM

this poll makes me a bit anrgy, therefore i also vote for the US.
Maybe it is time that you finally have a modern war on your own soil,
maybe it is time that you feel what you are joking about.

Sty · 10-14-2003, 10:08 AM

Add one more vote for the US. North Korea as a second choice.

Nizzle · 10-14-2003, 10:12 AM

The United States.

Astrocloud · 10-14-2003, 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by Pacifier
this poll makes me a bit anrgy, therefore i also vote for the US.
Maybe it is time that you finally have a modern war on your own soil,
maybe it is time that you feel what you are joking about.

"Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help out that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, `he that is not with me is against me.''' -George Orwell

So it seems that by 'being against' the US you are staking out your side too. The US is a Republic and the wars which she is presently engaged in are against dictatorships (edit: or religious oligarchy). By 'being against the US' you are in fact on the side of dictators.

Your reply?

Pacifier · 10-14-2003, 10:20 AM

ah the old "with us or against us" bs
black and white ...

and as i said im a bit angry about the poll, normally i would wish noone a war. but a few "right wingers" here are making me really mad.

Fallon · 10-14-2003, 10:22 AM

I had to add Canada... I mean, the eh's and stuff ARG!
/trying to interject some humor

Astrocloud · 10-14-2003, 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by Pacifier
ah the old "with us or against us" bs
black and white ...

I've never heard a really good answer to this. I originally brought this up on another board shortly after the invasion of Afghanistan. If you really want to help your cause -I think you should have a better answer than claiming that it's "B.S". (Do it for yourself man!)

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Originally posted by Pacifier

and as i said im a bit angry about the poll, normally i would wish noone a war. but a few "right wingers" here are making me really mad.

People often claim that I'm a right winger... I'm not. Foul mouth and aggressive centrist is what I am. -and I'm not trying to make you mad. You'll have to disassociate your feelings from my words. It can only make you better at expressing your point.

Pacifier · 10-14-2003, 10:45 AM

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Originally posted by Astrocloud
I've never heard a really good answer to this. I originally brought this up on another board shortly after the invasion of Afghanistan. If you really want to help your cause -I think you should have a better answer than claiming that it's "B.S".

belive it or not, I can dislike both the current US policy and the those dictatorships,
therefor claiming that, if im against the US im for the dictators is ridiculous and narrow minded.

mystmarimatt · 10-14-2003, 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by Lebell
I think you need to review your history, both ancient and recent, but that's another thread.

If you're referring to all of the people who have held that land for the last 2000 years, i understand where you're coming from. all i was refering to was the UN (which normally, i fully support) arbitrarily creating the nation of israel and sending people in there, effectively ousting the palestinians. i understand that it's can't rightfully be called anyone's, since 3 major religions have ties to the area, i just am going with the idea that since the palenstinians had it last, before 1947, we shouldn't have messed with it, and there is a school of thought that if that hadn't happened, arab terrorist groups might not hate the west as much.

Lebell · 10-14-2003, 08:00 PM

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Originally posted by mystmarimatt
If you're referring to all of the people who have held that land for the last 2000 years, i understand where you're coming from. all i was refering to was the UN (which normally, i fully support) arbitrarily creating the nation of israel and sending people in there, effectively ousting the palestinians. i understand that it's can't rightfully be called anyone's, since 3 major religions have ties to the area, i just am going with the idea that since the palenstinians had it last, before 1947, we shouldn't have messed with it, and there is a school of thought that if that hadn't happened, arab terrorist groups might not hate the west as much.

Again, you need to review your history.

The Zionist movement started in the 20's with European Jews moving to Palestine and purchasing land, joining the Jews that already lived in that area (contrary to popular propaganda, there have always been Jews living in Palestine.

After WW2 and increasing Arab-Jewish conflict, the UN tried to partition Palestine about 50/50 between the Jews and Arabs, something the Arabs rejected.

This led to the Isreali war of independence in 1947, and it was THAT event that created Isreal, not the UN.

Also, the United States did not seriously become an ally of Isreal until the late 50's when the USSR tried in increase it's influence in the area by supplying Egypt and Syria with weapons.

Food Eater Lad · 10-14-2003, 08:03 PM

You are forgetting that in the creation of Israel, land promised to the Palastinians after they helped the British fight in WW2 ( see the film Lawrence of Arabia) was then given to Israel. The promise was forgotten, and 780,000 Palastinians were forced out at gun point, and THAT is why the arabs rejected the formation of Israel, and the war started. Its never so black and white.

Lunchbox7 · 10-14-2003, 11:37 PM

USA. I get really upset that they keep picking fights with everyone else. I mean most of the wars USA goes into has nothing to do with them. It is just flexing their biceps. Coming fromyugoslav descent I should say either serbia or croatia but I dont. They have been at war for like over 1000 years but they still had a realm rich culture. The US attack on serbia a few years ago destroyed most of the buildings that were architectual culture. Beautiful buildings that had survived the croatian war for over a thousand years. Along comes america for a few weeks and destroy them all. Once they destroyed everything they piss off and leave the people of the country to clean up their mess. I wouldnt really care who did it but I would rather see USA get taken out just to bring them back down to reality with the rest of the world.

Lebell · 10-15-2003, 12:39 AM

FEL,

I'll have to review the film (I own it on VHS), but as I recall, that was Jordan that was promised to the Palestinians.

Also, there were several massacres where Arabs went on rampages and killed Jews.

During the '47 war, many Palestinians fled by their own choosing to neighboring Jordan until the "Zionists" were drivin out by the Arabs (which of course never happened.

Anyway, now back to your regularly scheduled thread.

james t kirk · 10-15-2003, 05:05 AM

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Originally posted by maximusveritas
so why isn't the USA listed? isn't it the most hated country? Not that I'd like to see it clobbered since I live here, but I'm pretty sure many outside the US would certainly like it.

LOL.

Yep, soon as i saw this idiotic thread i thought, "wonder if he added the USA?"

But, na, who could even imagine such a thing.

If you were to add the USA and ask this poll around the world, i bet the USA would win, err, loose. Whatever.

You just worry about maintaining order in your new little empire there kiddies.

james t kirk · 10-15-2003, 05:20 AM

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Originally posted by Lebell
FEL,

Also, there were several massacres where Arabs went on rampages and killed Jews.

During the '47 war, many Palestinians fled by their own choosing to neighboring Jordan until the "Zionists" were drivin out by the Arabs (which of course never happened.

Anyway, now back to your regularly scheduled thread.

Yeah, but, how would you like it if a bunch of european jews just suddenly decided that they wanted colorado. They moved in, kicked you out of your homes, took your land, starved you out, herded you into refugee camps, marginalized you, took away your livelihood, forced you to adopt their ways, and then built a wall around you. (Isn't it ironic that they have adopted the ways of Hitler? First you isolate a people, then you rename them, then you take away their freedom of movement, then you put them in camps, then you kill them.)

For every jew you killed, they killed 10 of yours because "they have a right to defend themselves"

They go after you, they use missiles, they bomb your refugee camps, they kill your children, then appologize on the jewish owned media and express regret, but reafirm their desire to kill you.

They call you a "terrorist" because it's the new catch word in the american psychie stemming from 911 that will keep big brother on their side. Suddenly, you are not a soldier, you are a "terrorist".

You wouldn't fight back???

You have to hand it to the palestinians, they don't just sit back and take the Israeli bullshit. They fight back with stones, gasoline and explosive vests. Cause that's all they have.

Israel is EVIL as far as I am concerned. And no, i am not an arab.

I voted for Israel. They have no right to be there and are causing nothing but shit for the rest of the world.

However, in a demonstration of my generous spirit, in exchange for all the jews leaving Palestine, i offer to give them an equivalent amount of land, no wait, double their land even in Northern Quebec, or perhaps labrador. Yes, the new Jewish state could for once and for all be safe from "terrorists" in virgin land along side Frobisher Bay.

Lebell · 10-15-2003, 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by james t kirk
*snip*

Not analogous.

I've addressed this type of argument before.

I believe it was "What if Canada took over the US".

Please do a search if you're interested.

Mojo_PeiPei · 10-15-2003, 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by james t kirk
[B]Yeah, but, how would you like it if a bunch of european jews just suddenly decided that they wanted colorado. They moved in, kicked you out of your homes, took your land, starved you out, herded you into refugee camps, marginalized you, took away your livelihood, forced you to adopt their ways, and then built a wall around you. (Isn't it ironic that they have adopted the ways of Hitler? First you isolate a people, then you rename them, then you take away their freedom of movement, then you put them in camps, then you kill them.)

First of European Jews didn't magically show up. Zionism and the purchase of land legally had been going on for almost a century. Secondly the Jews never put any Palestinians in refugee camps. It was the Arabs that put the Palestinians in refugee camps.

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They go after you, they use missiles, they bomb your refugee camps, they kill your children, then appologize on the jewish owned media and express regret, but reafirm their desire to kill you.

They call you a "terrorist" because it's the new catch word in the american psychie stemming from 911 that will keep big brother on their side. Suddenly, you are not a soldier, you are a "terrorist".

They are legally and morally well within their rights to defend their citizens by any means necessary. And they are called terrorists because <gasp> get this they resort to terrorism on civilian populations (the Palestinians that is)!!! I mean get serious. P.S. This is the second infitida right now and this is not the first time that the Palestinians have resorted to terrorism, brush up on your history and some factual information, you be surprised at what you learn.

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You wouldn't fight back???

You have to hand it to the palestinians, they don't just sit back and take the Israeli bullshit. They fight back with stones, gasoline and explosive vests. Cause that's all they have.

Kinda funny how the Arabs and Palestinians started the fight but were unable to finish it. Israel never wanted control over Palestinian lands and in fact have offered them for peace many times.

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Israel is EVIL as far as I am concerned. And no, i am not an arab.

You clearly have no idea what is going on over in Israel, comments like this show your ignorance on the matter. And by saying I am in no way saying Israel's hands are clean.

mystmarimatt · 10-15-2003, 02:15 PM

Lebell, i appreciate your enlightening me on the matter, i remembered learning about the zionist movement and the israeli war, back in history like, 2 years ago. memory seems fit to want to meld everything together, i guess. however, i still hold my opinion that i would remove Israel. Neither side is honestly working for peace, and that removing Israel would likely help to repair our relations with Islamic countries and groups, because a big issue (and i know this isn't it's entirety, and it's a multifaceted issue) is that it seems to them, that we take anyone's side but theirs. Yeah, you'll piss off israeli's and a majority of the world's jews. But when was the last time we went to war and actually considered how somebody else feels.

james t kirk · 10-15-2003, 02:23 PM

Well mojo,

So what do you call the israelis who bomb the shit out of a palestinian house and kill 8 kids inside? I guess they are terrorists too.

The Israelis are murdering scumbags.

Actually the whole area is just plain fucked as far as i am concerned

View Poll Results: Who do you think most deserves to get Clobbered
North Korea (Democratic People's Republic of Korea)	11	19.64%
China (People's Republic of China)	4	7.14%
Iran (Islamic Republic of Iran)	2	3.57%
France (Republique Francaise)	7	12.50%
Saudi Arabia (Kingdom of Saudi Arabia)	6	10.71%
Canada (Kanooksville)	7	12.50%
Zimbabwe (Republic of Zimbabwe)	4	7.14%
Cuba (Republica de Cuba)	0	0%
Russia (Rossiyskaya Federatsiya)	0	0%
Israel (Medinat Yisra'el)	15	26.79%
Voters: 56. You may not vote on this poll

10-13-2003, 03:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
Astrocloud Apocalypse Nerd	Who would you like to see Conquered? Hypothetically, imagine that you are driving home and you hear on the radio that the United States has declared yet another war. Unfortunately you are in a hurry and can't catch the whole news story -so you don't know who the US is at war with. Who do you secretly hope will get it? (Note that there are restrictions to the number of elements in a poll... I would've included EVERY single country but decided to limit the countries that people are likely to hate.) If your most hated country isn't on this list -Tell us what should be here OR if you really hate this poll... just tell us so. Last edited by Astrocloud; 10-13-2003 at 04:12 PM..

10-13-2003, 04:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	Saudi Arabia. I hate countries based on religion, so Iran and Isreal would come in for a distant 2nd __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

10-13-2003, 04:49 PM	#4 (permalink)
archer2371 Sarge of Blood Gulch Red Outpost Number One Location: On the front lines against our very enemy	The PRC, they can get really annoying sometimes. Not to mention, they're the only challenge that can put up a fight against us. __________________ "This ain't no Ice Cream Social!" "Hey Grif, Chupathingy...how bout that? I like it...got a ring to it." "I have no earthly idea what it is I just saw, or what this place is, or where in the hell O'Malley is! My only choice is to blame Grif for coming up with such a flawed plan. Stupid, stupid Grif."

10-13-2003, 04:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
Liquor Dealer Super Agitator Location: Just SW of Nowhere!!! In the good old US of A	I think we ought' go over and do France - If for no other reason than shits and giggles. When there ass is almost kicked - elapsed time 1 min and 3 secs. they can look off to the horizon to see who is coming to their rescue this time and say Merde!!! __________________ Life isn't always a bowl of cherries, sometimes it's more like a jar of Jalapenos --- what you say or do today might burn your ass tomorrow!!!

10-13-2003, 04:14 PM	#2 (permalink)
Astrocloud Apocalypse Nerd	I voted against Zimbabwe because I have a thing against piss-ant dictators who bring thier countries down with them. Bah! Like that'll ever happen.. (Maybe if Zimbabwe had oil).

10-13-2003, 04:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
maximusveritas Winner	so why isn't the USA listed? isn't it the most hated country? Not that I'd like to see it clobbered since I live here, but I'm pretty sure many outside the US would certainly like it.

10-13-2003, 04:58 PM	#8 (permalink)
maximusveritas Winner	well, your question wasn't really who do you think the US should attack. It was "Who would you like to see conquered?" , "Who do you think most deserves to get Clobbered", and "Who do you secretly hope will get it?" But hey, its your poll.

10-13-2003, 06:32 PM	#10 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	I voted France. Some of the others are far greater threats to be sure, China especially but they never really do us any harm and I don't think they'd want to even if we meant to blow up their embassy when we did. France though keeps putting their thumb in our eye. Plus, France is prettier then China or Iran. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

10-13-2003, 06:57 PM	#11 (permalink)
archer2371 Sarge of Blood Gulch Red Outpost Number One Location: On the front lines against our very enemy	France is too easy, I mean, we could send in one fuckin Marine and they'd be like, fuck, we give up, there's just no hope! __________________ "This ain't no Ice Cream Social!" "Hey Grif, Chupathingy...how bout that? I like it...got a ring to it." "I have no earthly idea what it is I just saw, or what this place is, or where in the hell O'Malley is! My only choice is to blame Grif for coming up with such a flawed plan. Stupid, stupid Grif."

10-13-2003, 07:51 PM	#12 (permalink)
Conclamo Ludus Modern Man Location: West Michigan	I wanted to see the Federated States of Micronesia, they just can't keep their mouths shut damnit! Always yapping away criticizing the world and using their security council veto irresponsibly. __________________ Lord, have mercy on my wicked soul I wouldn't mistreat you baby, for my weight in gold. -Son House, Death Letter Blues

10-13-2003, 08:19 PM	#14 (permalink)
splck it's jam Location: Lowerainland BC	Why no USA? Not everyone here is an American __________________ nice line eh?

10-13-2003, 08:21 PM	#15 (permalink)
Food Eater Lad Banned	North Korea before they start selling nukes to terrorists. Mabye Clinton should have thought of that when he was ignoring them during his tenure.

10-13-2003, 08:25 PM	#16 (permalink)
mystmarimatt Omnipotent Ruler Of The Tiny Universe In My Mind Location: Oreegawn	Israel. granted it's our fault for puting them there, i just would rather see the whole area given back to the palenstians, since they were there before the nation of israel was created in 1947. it's archaic, but one wonders if it might possibly get some of the terrorists organizations off our backs. speaking in the most broad of terms, though. __________________ Words of Wisdom: If you could really get to know someone and know that they weren't lying to you, then you would know the world was real. Because you could agree on things, you could compare notes. That must be why people get married or make Art. So they'll be able to really know something and not go insane.

10-14-2003, 05:55 AM	#18 (permalink)
auswegian Crazy Location: Perth, Australia	I voted Israel. Solves the largest problem in the Middle East, and gives the US one hell of a black eye as it goes down. Hell, the entire East Coast might be radioactive rubble by the end of it, they do have a lot of nukes you know, and submarine. Thats one way to end rampant unilateralism. __________________ "Look, I'm pretty relaxed for a guy who just lost money on a rave. And who's currently speeding down the highway drunk off my tits. And I'm being chased by someone in a blue Corolla. Woohoo! I just ran a red light!"

10-14-2003, 10:12 AM	#24 (permalink)
Nizzle God-Hating Liberal Location: Silicon Valley, CA	The United States. __________________ Nizzle

10-14-2003, 06:12 AM	#19 (permalink)
Count_Khocula Upright	i voted Israel too. i can't understand why they don't just stop creating settlements and make peace. surely they see that they are as big a cause of the terrorism against them as the Palestinians. they commit their own atrocities everyday too. of course, i see both sides point of view but i think if Israel was no more than a lot of issues would be resolved.

10-14-2003, 08:52 AM	#21 (permalink)
eple Banned Location: norway	Another vote for the US, even though they are not listed... Israel is e good second-choise I guess. Those guys are a disgrace to the western world and to jews in general. Last edited by eple; 10-14-2003 at 08:54 AM..

10-14-2003, 10:05 AM	#22 (permalink)
Pacifier undead Location: Duisburg, Germany	this poll makes me a bit anrgy, therefore i also vote for the US. Maybe it is time that you finally have a modern war on your own soil, maybe it is time that you feel what you are joking about. __________________ "It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere. Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death — Albert Einstein

10-14-2003, 10:08 AM	#23 (permalink)
Sty Patron Administrator Location: Tôkyô, Japan	Add one more vote for the US. North Korea as a second choice. __________________ br, Sty I route, therefore you exist

10-14-2003, 10:20 AM	#26 (permalink)
Pacifier undead Location: Duisburg, Germany	ah the old "with us or against us" bs black and white ... and as i said im a bit angry about the poll, normally i would wish noone a war. but a few "right wingers" here are making me really mad. __________________ "It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere. Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death — Albert Einstein

10-14-2003, 10:22 AM	#27 (permalink)
Fallon Junkie Location: RI	I had to add Canada... I mean, the eh's and stuff ARG! /trying to interject some humor

10-14-2003, 08:03 PM	#32 (permalink)
Food Eater Lad Banned	You are forgetting that in the creation of Israel, land promised to the Palastinians after they helped the British fight in WW2 ( see the film Lawrence of Arabia) was then given to Israel. The promise was forgotten, and 780,000 Palastinians were forced out at gun point, and THAT is why the arabs rejected the formation of Israel, and the war started. Its never so black and white.

10-14-2003, 11:37 PM	#33 (permalink)
Lunchbox7 Addict	USA. I get really upset that they keep picking fights with everyone else. I mean most of the wars USA goes into has nothing to do with them. It is just flexing their biceps. Coming fromyugoslav descent I should say either serbia or croatia but I dont. They have been at war for like over 1000 years but they still had a realm rich culture. The US attack on serbia a few years ago destroyed most of the buildings that were architectual culture. Beautiful buildings that had survived the croatian war for over a thousand years. Along comes america for a few weeks and destroy them all. Once they destroyed everything they piss off and leave the people of the country to clean up their mess. I wouldnt really care who did it but I would rather see USA get taken out just to bring them back down to reality with the rest of the world.

10-15-2003, 12:39 AM	#34 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	FEL, I'll have to review the film (I own it on VHS), but as I recall, that was Jordan that was promised to the Palestinians. Also, there were several massacres where Arabs went on rampages and killed Jews. During the '47 war, many Palestinians fled by their own choosing to neighboring Jordan until the "Zionists" were drivin out by the Arabs (which of course never happened. Anyway, now back to your regularly scheduled thread. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate! Last edited by Lebell; 10-15-2003 at 12:43 AM..

10-15-2003, 02:15 PM	#39 (permalink)
mystmarimatt Omnipotent Ruler Of The Tiny Universe In My Mind Location: Oreegawn	Lebell, i appreciate your enlightening me on the matter, i remembered learning about the zionist movement and the israeli war, back in history like, 2 years ago. memory seems fit to want to meld everything together, i guess. however, i still hold my opinion that i would remove Israel. Neither side is honestly working for peace, and that removing Israel would likely help to repair our relations with Islamic countries and groups, because a big issue (and i know this isn't it's entirety, and it's a multifaceted issue) is that it seems to them, that we take anyone's side but theirs. Yeah, you'll piss off israeli's and a majority of the world's jews. But when was the last time we went to war and actually considered how somebody else feels. __________________ Words of Wisdom: If you could really get to know someone and know that they weren't lying to you, then you would know the world was real. Because you could agree on things, you could compare notes. That must be why people get married or make Art. So they'll be able to really know something and not go insane. Last edited by mystmarimatt; 10-15-2003 at 02:26 PM..

10-15-2003, 02:23 PM	#40 (permalink)
james t kirk Junkie Location: Toronto	Well mojo, So what do you call the israelis who bomb the shit out of a palestinian house and kill 8 kids inside? I guess they are terrorists too. The Israelis are murdering scumbags. Actually the whole area is just plain fucked as far as i am concerned Last edited by james t kirk; 10-15-2003 at 03:03 PM..