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ASU2003 · 04-15-2009, 02:26 PM

I don't care. I didn't care that Bush did it, I don't care if Obama continues it.

As long as it's only used as intelligence gathering against people who may carry out violent acts, I have no problem with it.

Now, they should try and get a warrant, but if they need to do it right then and don't have a warrant, I will let them. If anything it is streamlining and making government more efficient and cheaper.

robot_parade · 04-16-2009, 08:38 PM

ASU2003: The whole point is that they wiretapped Americans who were not under any particular suspicion, without a warrant. Because they could. Because there was no oversight. Going down that road leads to a police state. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

dippin · 04-16-2009, 09:09 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/16/us...iretaps&st=cse

squirrelyburt · 04-20-2009, 06:37 AM

Wow... that line between right and left just got blurry. Kool.

robot_parade · 04-20-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by squirrelyburt

Wow... that line between right and left just got blurry. Kool.

Right and left are only two artificial choices, along a whole spectrum of political thought. Both the Republic and Democratic parties in this country are very much authoritarian in their mindset, which allows apparent contradictions like this one, where a 'lefty' like O'Bama is supporting the travesty of wiretapping American citizens.

Marvelous Marv · 04-20-2009, 09:12 PM

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dksuddeth · 04-21-2009, 06:07 AM

ROFL, thats an awesome avatar MM.

aceventura3 · 01-23-2010, 08:54 AM

One thing I don't understand is how Obama gets away with what he does when it is in direct contradiction to how he said he would govern. I am not surprised by his inability or unwillingness to govern as he said he would, just the fact that people seem to ignore it. I knew early on that Obama's rhetoric was empty. If I had voted for him and bought into the "change" and "hope" stuff I would be embarrassed.

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WASHINGTON — Although the FBI has acknowledged it improperly obtained thousands of Americans' phone records for years, the Obama administration continues to assert that the bureau can obtain them without any formal legal process or court oversight.

The FBI revealed this stance in a newly released report, troubling critics who had hoped the bureau had been chastened enough by its own abuses to drop such a position.

In further support of the legal authority, however, the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel backed the FBI in a written opinion this month.

The opinion by the OLC — the section that wrote the memos that justified enhanced interrogation techniques during the last administration — appears to be yet another sign that the Obama administration can be as assertive as George W. Bush's in claiming sweeping, controversial anti-terrorism powers.

The Justice Department's watchdog, the inspector general, said the OLC opinion has "significant policy implications that need to be considered by the FBI, the Department, and the Congress."

"The FBI says that this kind of activity is in the past," said Michael German, a former FBI agent who is now the American Civil Liberties Union's policy counsel. "But if they're saying that they have a continuing legal authority, that means it's not in the past."

The Justice Department refused to release to McClatchy Newspapers the OLC opinion, despite the Obama administration's vow to be more open than its predecessors.

Read more: Obama administration defends FBI access to phone records - The Denver Post

filtherton · 01-23-2010, 09:01 AM

I don't know anyone who isn't embarrassed by some of Obama's stances on national security issues (except for gloating "conservatives").

Poppinjay · 01-23-2010, 09:08 AM

If I had voted for any ticket with Palin on it, I would hide my face in shame.

I'm very disappointed in Obama's continuation of the failed Bush policies, as well as some new failures regarding job creation that he's adding to the mix. Frankly, I didn't vote for him and he's really kind of pissing me off. I did have hope that we'd see something new and different. Fail.

aceventura3 · 01-23-2010, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by filtherton

I don't know anyone who isn't embarrassed by some of Obama's stances on national security issues (except for gloating "conservatives").

The activity on this forum has slowed since Obama has been in office. The reason seems to be that those who attacked Bush did it relentlessly, while "gloating" conservatives have not used every available opportunity to respond the way those who attacked Bush did. If the above press release came out when Bush was in office the response on this board would have been very different - it is my observation, and I don't understand other than drawing a conclusion that could be wrong and offend some?

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Originally Posted by Poppinjay

If I had voted for any ticket with Palin on it, I would hide my face in shame.

Palin actually had a record as an executive in office. She had a track record of success in many endeavors. She had a track record of going against her own party and winning. What was Obama's track record? What were his accomplishments? When did he ever take on his party?

Poppinjay · 01-23-2010, 10:15 AM

Palin also has a record of being a quitter when it got too hard. Plus, her views are so ridiculously simplistic she makes Bush look like Stephen frickin' Hawking.

Derwood · 01-23-2010, 10:25 AM

I don't know any Democrats who are happy about (or turning a blind eye to) Obama's reversed stance on this issue.

aceventura3 · 01-23-2010, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Poppinjay

Palin also has a record of being a quitter when it got too hard. Plus, her views are so ridiculously simplistic she makes Bush look like Stephen frickin' Hawking.

Talking points. Obama did not finish his term as a Senator, he actually spent more time running for President than serving the people who elected him. What has Obama finished? What did he ever accomplish? Has he ever delivered any measurable results? At anything?

I proudly supported Palin, with no apology. She may or may not run for national office again and depending on who she is running against, I could support her again without hesitation. Would you say the same regarding Obama, why or why not?

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Originally Posted by Derwood

I don't know any Democrats who are happy about (or turning a blind eye to) Obama's reversed stance on this issue.

Why the silence? What are they doing about it?

Poppinjay · 01-23-2010, 10:37 AM

I didn't support him the first time around. I haven't heard of any real contenders for 2012 yet (other than Palin, which, no). If he starts the pullout, if he actually accomplishes something with hiseconomic stimulus, then I'll support him.

04-15-2009, 02:26 PM	#81 (permalink)
ASU2003 immoral minority Location: Back in Ohio	I don't care. I didn't care that Bush did it, I don't care if Obama continues it. As long as it's only used as intelligence gathering against people who may carry out violent acts, I have no problem with it. Now, they should try and get a warrant, but if they need to do it right then and don't have a warrant, I will let them. If anything it is streamlining and making government more efficient and cheaper. Last edited by ASU2003; 04-15-2009 at 02:28 PM..

04-20-2009, 06:37 AM	#84 (permalink)
squirrelyburt Crazy Location: Central Wisconsin	Wow... that line between right and left just got blurry. Kool. __________________ If you've ever felt there was a reason to be afraid of the dark, you were right.

04-20-2009, 09:12 PM	#86 (permalink)
Marvelous Marv Cunning Runt Location: Taking a mulligan	<=================== __________________ "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher Last edited by Marvelous Marv; 04-20-2009 at 09:19 PM..

04-21-2009, 06:07 AM	#87 (permalink)
dksuddeth Junkie Location: bedford, tx	ROFL, thats an awesome avatar MM. __________________ "no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything. You cannot conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."

01-23-2010, 09:08 AM	#90 (permalink)
Poppinjay You had me at hello Location: DC/Coastal VA	If I had voted for any ticket with Palin on it, I would hide my face in shame. I'm very disappointed in Obama's continuation of the failed Bush policies, as well as some new failures regarding job creation that he's adding to the mix. Frankly, I didn't vote for him and he's really kind of pissing me off. I did have hope that we'd see something new and different. Fail. __________________ I think the Apocalypse is happening all around us. We go on eating desserts and watching TV. I know I do. I wish we were more capable of sustained passion and sustained resistance. We should be screaming and what we do is gossip. -Lydia Millet

04-16-2009, 08:38 PM	#82 (permalink)
robot_parade Junkie Location: San Antonio, TX	ASU2003: The whole point is that they wiretapped Americans who were not under any particular suspicion, without a warrant. Because they could. Because there was no oversight. Going down that road leads to a police state. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

04-16-2009, 09:09 PM	#83 (permalink)
dippin Crazy, indeed Location: the ether	http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/16/us...iretaps&st=cse

01-23-2010, 09:01 AM	#89 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	I don't know anyone who isn't embarrassed by some of Obama's stances on national security issues (except for gloating "conservatives").

01-23-2010, 10:15 AM	#92 (permalink)
Poppinjay You had me at hello Location: DC/Coastal VA	Palin also has a record of being a quitter when it got too hard. Plus, her views are so ridiculously simplistic she makes Bush look like Stephen frickin' Hawking. __________________ I think the Apocalypse is happening all around us. We go on eating desserts and watching TV. I know I do. I wish we were more capable of sustained passion and sustained resistance. We should be screaming and what we do is gossip. -Lydia Millet

01-23-2010, 10:25 AM	#93 (permalink)
Derwood Who You Crappin? Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	I don't know any Democrats who are happy about (or turning a blind eye to) Obama's reversed stance on this issue. __________________ "You can't shoot a country until it becomes a democracy." - Willravel

01-23-2010, 10:37 AM	#95 (permalink)
Poppinjay You had me at hello Location: DC/Coastal VA	I didn't support him the first time around. I haven't heard of any real contenders for 2012 yet (other than Palin, which, no). If he starts the pullout, if he actually accomplishes something with hiseconomic stimulus, then I'll support him. __________________ I think the Apocalypse is happening all around us. We go on eating desserts and watching TV. I know I do. I wish we were more capable of sustained passion and sustained resistance. We should be screaming and what we do is gossip. -Lydia Millet