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Jesus Pimp · 06-26-2003, 06:26 AM

I just read that George Bush and Republicans will be hold the national republican convention in NY on 9/11/04. Is this blatant exploitation or what?

Daval · 06-26-2003, 07:24 AM

Please substantiate your claim with a source - preferably posting the article here.

prb · 06-26-2003, 07:24 AM

"Blatant" is the appropriate word. Unless you want to use "shameless". Or "bare-assed obvious." These days apparently, being republican means never being embarassed.

sixate · 06-26-2003, 11:32 AM

Would you be happy if they held their convention in Mexico?

The_Dude · 06-26-2003, 11:52 AM

pure exploitation.

NY is still going to dem's no matter wtf repub's try to do (just like good ol' CA, unless davis screws that up too)

i bet it's goin to be held in manhattan too, where they have a good view of ground zero.

and in the paper, there is going to be a picture w/ the people posing w/ ground zero in the background.

Conclamo Ludus · 06-26-2003, 11:54 AM

They beat the dems to it!

j8ear · 06-26-2003, 12:52 PM

Exactly right....they beat the Dems to it.

Politics is exactly that, exploiting the right opportunities. Whether it's Dems scaring everyone that Repubs want every child to be poorly educated, especially minorities, women, mentally retarded or whatever pc, oppressed segment of the population du jour the statistics can be skewed to demonstrate, because they are sick at throwing money at a failing enterprise? Or that the edlerly will be left to die in the streets poor and without dignity because they try to fix medicare. Or it could be the republicans exploiting recent terrorist events to convince everyone that 'unreasonable' (although it is no longer called unreasonable, instead kindly refered to as 'less restrictive') searches and seizures are neccesary, due process protections need to be reduced, or that anything they've done so far has actually prevented a daggone thing. It could also be the broad brushed stroke used to paint Dems as socialist welfare hungry anti-americans.

What ever floats your boat.

That's politics.

Remember the Paul-Wellstone-come-anti-Bush-rally-memorial? Sometimes you catch a tiger by the toe....sometimes the tiger catches you.

I'm not even sure this qualifies as exploitation though. Where else? Why not NYC? Lots of airports, plenty of convention facilities, in NEED of a good swift kick in the economic backside. and full of voters who could use a little exposure to some different ideas about how things should be. Did the Dems pass it up because they thought it was just 'too gratuitous, and shameful?' I seriously doubt it.

The_Dude · 06-26-2003, 02:00 PM

that paul wellstone was the stupidest thing the DNC did. ever. poor mondale!

and i dont think it's "beating" somebody to it. dem's are in a much more campaign state than GOP is right now and i dont think they wanted to exploit this.

watch this, dem's gonna make ads showing all this explotation that bush is doing.

1) this
2) the carrier visit
3) yet to come?

geep · 06-26-2003, 02:15 PM

The Dems should know all about exploitation. They have been exploiting their voter base for decades.

reconmike · 06-26-2003, 05:23 PM

There are many reasons as to why NYC got the bid.

Here is a link.

And I think it is awesome that they are going to bring all that money into an area that needs it, even if it is dem land.

MacGnG · 06-26-2003, 10:29 PM

DUH, politics... lol

seretogis · 06-26-2003, 10:57 PM

I heard that George W. Bush and the Republicans were actually the masterminds behind 9/11! It must be true!

Sparhawk · 06-27-2003, 04:35 AM

If Bush arrives in a flight suit, the blood vessel in my forehead will pop.

chavos · 06-27-2003, 04:40 AM

"that paul wellstone was the stupidest thing the DNC did. ever. poor mondale!"

I was there...and nobody, muchless the DNC planned that. Part of it was getting that many greiving liberals in one room. The other part was that Rick Kahn cracked up like a nut. We forgive him and all...but nobody is going to say that it wasn't his fault....

geep · 06-27-2003, 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by chavos
I was there...and nobody, muchless the DNC planned that. Part of it was getting that many greiving liberals in one room. The other part was that Rick Kahn cracked up like a nut. We forgive him and all...but nobody is going to say that it wasn't his fault....

So what you're saying is that the Wellstone thing was spontaneous opportunism then? I think I would have had more respect for them if it WAS planned. The Dems really showed their true colors.

The_Dude · 06-27-2003, 07:06 AM

it wasnt planned to the extend that it happened.

they planned a memorial/funeral, it turned into a fund-raiser

Charlatan · 06-27-2003, 08:08 AM

The issue isn't that it is being held in NYC. That's great news. They can use the business.

The issue is the date of the convention and the perception that they will exploit the events of Sept. 11, 2001.

Nobody ever said politics weren't tasteless...

guthmund · 06-27-2003, 08:24 AM

If you were in charge of the Republican Party wouldn't you want to exploit Sept 11th for all it's worth?

Democrats would've done the same thing. It's hard not to take advantage of such a situation in the political world.

They were in office, they "handled" the situation. It comes as no surprise they were first in line to pat themselves on the back and to remind us of what good boys they are.

Conclamo Ludus · 06-27-2003, 09:21 AM

Politics have always thrived on opportunism. Always will. Its not surprising and its certainly not underneath any political party to exploit a tragedy. Pick your favorite flavor of exploitation. Choose wisely

sportsrule101 · 07-09-2003, 07:03 AM

exploitation ha, Reb. must finally be catching up to the Dem. on that. I love how certain canidates bring up people to tell how the canidated helped their lives. Everything political revolves around exploiting things and people.
Just you watch, the Dem. will have a tv spot run where the canidate talks to someone who lost all his money on stocks, and now needs to go on welfare, instead of going out and getting a job.

The_Dude · 07-09-2003, 09:19 AM

it doesnt matter, the dem's are going to win new york anyway.

btw, wasnt the republican convention held in CA last time and CA still went democrat?

lurkette · 07-09-2003, 09:30 AM

*sigh*

This is one of the saddest things I've ever heard. Even if I give politicians the benefit of the doubt and assume that they have only noble intentions at heart, they always do something like this to disappoint me.

This is the most tasteless exploitation I have ever heard of. True, 9/11 was an attack on our nation and "belongs" to all of us. But how disrespectful to the memories of the people who died (including the democrats who died!!!) to turn this date into a political rally. I believe shame is a concept that should be reintroduced into the political arena, and SHAME on them!

XXXs · 07-09-2003, 11:38 AM

Let's get the facts straight. The convention will not be on September 11th. It will be close to it. I see nothing wrong with this. September 11th was something this president dealt with, and in my opinion, dealt with quite well.

Here is a quote from an article on FoxNews.com

Quote:

WASHINGTON — The Secret Service (search) will oversee security at the Republican National Convention (search) in New York, which is scheduled for the week of Aug. 30, 2004, within days of the third anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Article

Phaenx · 07-09-2003, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by seretogis
I heard that George W. Bush and the Republicans were actually the masterminds behind 9/11! It must be true!

Really!? HAELP! TEH 1984 ORWELL IS GIONG TO GET US!!

GrumpyCoder · 07-10-2003, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by geep
The Dems should know all about exploitation. They have been exploiting their voter base for decades.

Isn't that what all political entities do? I have not seen any politician turn away from the opportunity to exploit events or people...

AND YES, IT IS BLATANT EXPLOITATION. Of course the republicans have been exploiting their voter base for decades

mike059 · 07-11-2003, 04:22 PM

I think that everyone is missing an important point. Politics is exploitation in action. It is inherent in our society because politics has become a seeries of media driven events. We seem to have been programed to react to 30 - 60 second sound bites and form opinions from these mini presentations. If we agree with the action, we are fine, if we disagree then the same action becomes an example of exploitation. Both sides do it, and as a society we eat this stuff up. Few people are willing to examine the facts and form an opinion; it is much easier for us to react to a sound bite or wait for an analyst to tell us what to think.

sportsrule101 · 07-15-2003, 12:16 PM

yet we all still have the power of 1 vote.

Xell101 · 07-15-2003, 06:27 PM

Gore being elected wouldn't have changed the fact politicians would have used this to their advantage. I bet somewhere some "my entire arguments fits onto an eight word sign" folk will protest the date.

Pennington · 07-21-2003, 06:31 PM

Dems, republicans, green, libertarian- they all exploit whatever they can in order to gain an advantage. Its just that sometimes it just becomes too obvious that they are playing on your heartstrings rather than on your intelect. All groups do it, iregardless of ideology. Its just a matter of who hides it better.

Zeld2.0 · 07-21-2003, 07:55 PM

Exploitation is everywhere so this doesn't surprise me though that doesn't mean i think its great.

Exploitation only becomes known if someone gets caught for it and that almsot never happens.

Besides if you think the *other* side is exploiting more then your own group has expoited your mind to think they are.

06-26-2003, 06:26 AM	#1 (permalink)
Jesus Pimp The Original JizzSmacka	Bush and Republicans exploiting 9/11? I just read that George Bush and Republicans will be hold the national republican convention in NY on 9/11/04. Is this blatant exploitation or what? __________________ Never date anyone who doesn't make your dick hard.

06-26-2003, 07:24 AM	#2 (permalink)
Daval Junkie Location: The True North Strong and Free!	Please substantiate your claim with a source - preferably posting the article here. __________________ "It is impossible to obtain a conviction for sodomy from an English jury. Half of them don't believe that it can physically be done, and the other half are doing it." Winston Churchill

06-26-2003, 11:52 AM	#5 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	pure exploitation. NY is still going to dem's no matter wtf repub's try to do (just like good ol' CA, unless davis screws that up too) i bet it's goin to be held in manhattan too, where they have a good view of ground zero. and in the paper, there is going to be a picture w/ the people posing w/ ground zero in the background. __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

06-26-2003, 11:54 AM	#6 (permalink)
Conclamo Ludus Modern Man Location: West Michigan	They beat the dems to it! __________________ Lord, have mercy on my wicked soul I wouldn't mistreat you baby, for my weight in gold. -Son House, Death Letter Blues

06-26-2003, 12:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
j8ear Gentlemen Farmer Location: Middle of nowhere, Jersey	Exactly right....they beat the Dems to it. Politics is exactly that, exploiting the right opportunities. Whether it's Dems scaring everyone that Repubs want every child to be poorly educated, especially minorities, women, mentally retarded or whatever pc, oppressed segment of the population du jour the statistics can be skewed to demonstrate, because they are sick at throwing money at a failing enterprise? Or that the edlerly will be left to die in the streets poor and without dignity because they try to fix medicare. Or it could be the republicans exploiting recent terrorist events to convince everyone that 'unreasonable' (although it is no longer called unreasonable, instead kindly refered to as 'less restrictive') searches and seizures are neccesary, due process protections need to be reduced, or that anything they've done so far has actually prevented a daggone thing. It could also be the broad brushed stroke used to paint Dems as socialist welfare hungry anti-americans. What ever floats your boat. That's politics. Remember the Paul-Wellstone-come-anti-Bush-rally-memorial? Sometimes you catch a tiger by the toe....sometimes the tiger catches you. I'm not even sure this qualifies as exploitation though. Where else? Why not NYC? Lots of airports, plenty of convention facilities, in NEED of a good swift kick in the economic backside. and full of voters who could use a little exposure to some different ideas about how things should be. Did the Dems pass it up because they thought it was just 'too gratuitous, and shameful?' I seriously doubt it. __________________ It's alot easier to ask for forgiveness then it is to ask for permission.

06-26-2003, 07:24 AM	#3 (permalink)
prb Psycho	"Blatant" is the appropriate word. Unless you want to use "shameless". Or "bare-assed obvious." These days apparently, being republican means never being embarassed.

06-26-2003, 11:32 AM	#4 (permalink)
sixate Registered User Location: Somewhere in Ohio	Would you be happy if they held their convention in Mexico?

06-26-2003, 02:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	that paul wellstone was the stupidest thing the DNC did. ever. poor mondale! and i dont think it's "beating" somebody to it. dem's are in a much more campaign state than GOP is right now and i dont think they wanted to exploit this. watch this, dem's gonna make ads showing all this explotation that bush is doing. 1) this 2) the carrier visit 3) yet to come? __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

06-26-2003, 02:15 PM	#9 (permalink)
geep Insane Location: Imprisoned in Ecotopia	The Dems should know all about exploitation. They have been exploiting their voter base for decades.

06-26-2003, 05:23 PM	#10 (permalink)
reconmike Thank You Jesus Location: Twilight Zone	There are many reasons as to why NYC got the bid. Here is a link. And I think it is awesome that they are going to bring all that money into an area that needs it, even if it is dem land. __________________ Where is Darwin when ya need him?

06-26-2003, 10:29 PM	#11 (permalink)
MacGnG Know Where!	DUH, politics... lol

06-26-2003, 10:57 PM	#12 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	I heard that George W. Bush and the Republicans were actually the masterminds behind 9/11! It must be true! __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

06-27-2003, 04:35 AM	#13 (permalink)
Sparhawk Dubya Location: VA	If Bush arrives in a flight suit, the blood vessel in my forehead will pop. __________________ "In Iraq, no doubt about it, it's tough. It's hard work. It's incredibly hard. It's - and it's hard work. I understand how hard it is. I get the casualty reports every day. I see on the TV screens how hard it is. But it's necessary work. We're making progress. It is hard work."

06-27-2003, 04:40 AM	#14 (permalink)
chavos Banned Location: St. Paul, MN	"that paul wellstone was the stupidest thing the DNC did. ever. poor mondale!" I was there...and nobody, muchless the DNC planned that. Part of it was getting that many greiving liberals in one room. The other part was that Rick Kahn cracked up like a nut. We forgive him and all...but nobody is going to say that it wasn't his fault....

06-27-2003, 07:06 AM	#16 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	it wasnt planned to the extend that it happened. they planned a memorial/funeral, it turned into a fund-raiser __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

06-27-2003, 08:08 AM	#17 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	The issue isn't that it is being held in NYC. That's great news. They can use the business. The issue is the date of the convention and the perception that they will exploit the events of Sept. 11, 2001. Nobody ever said politics weren't tasteless... __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

06-27-2003, 08:24 AM	#18 (permalink)
guthmund big damn hero	If you were in charge of the Republican Party wouldn't you want to exploit Sept 11th for all it's worth? Democrats would've done the same thing. It's hard not to take advantage of such a situation in the political world. They were in office, they "handled" the situation. It comes as no surprise they were first in line to pat themselves on the back and to remind us of what good boys they are. __________________ No signature. None. Seriously.

06-27-2003, 09:21 AM	#19 (permalink)
Conclamo Ludus Modern Man Location: West Michigan	Politics have always thrived on opportunism. Always will. Its not surprising and its certainly not underneath any political party to exploit a tragedy. Pick your favorite flavor of exploitation. Choose wisely __________________ Lord, have mercy on my wicked soul I wouldn't mistreat you baby, for my weight in gold. -Son House, Death Letter Blues

07-09-2003, 07:03 AM	#20 (permalink)
sportsrule101 Insane	exploitation ha, Reb. must finally be catching up to the Dem. on that. I love how certain canidates bring up people to tell how the canidated helped their lives. Everything political revolves around exploiting things and people. Just you watch, the Dem. will have a tv spot run where the canidate talks to someone who lost all his money on stocks, and now needs to go on welfare, instead of going out and getting a job. __________________ winning isn't everything but losing isn't anything

07-09-2003, 09:19 AM	#21 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	it doesnt matter, the dem's are going to win new york anyway. btw, wasnt the republican convention held in CA last time and CA still went democrat? __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

07-09-2003, 09:30 AM	#22 (permalink)
lurkette My future is coming on Moderator Emeritus Location: east of the sun and west of the moon	sigh This is one of the saddest things I've ever heard. Even if I give politicians the benefit of the doubt and assume that they have only noble intentions at heart, they always do something like this to disappoint me. This is the most tasteless exploitation I have ever heard of. True, 9/11 was an attack on our nation and "belongs" to all of us. But how disrespectful to the memories of the people who died (including the democrats who died!!!) to turn this date into a political rally. I believe shame is a concept that should be reintroduced into the political arena, and SHAME on them! __________________ "If ten million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing." - Anatole France

07-11-2003, 04:22 PM	#26 (permalink)
mike059 Tilted Location: Pensacola, Florida	I think that everyone is missing an important point. Politics is exploitation in action. It is inherent in our society because politics has become a seeries of media driven events. We seem to have been programed to react to 30 - 60 second sound bites and form opinions from these mini presentations. If we agree with the action, we are fine, if we disagree then the same action becomes an example of exploitation. Both sides do it, and as a society we eat this stuff up. Few people are willing to examine the facts and form an opinion; it is much easier for us to react to a sound bite or wait for an analyst to tell us what to think. Last edited by mike059; 07-11-2003 at 07:11 PM..

07-15-2003, 12:16 PM	#27 (permalink)
sportsrule101 Insane	yet we all still have the power of 1 vote. __________________ winning isn't everything but losing isn't anything

07-15-2003, 06:27 PM	#28 (permalink)
Xell101 Junkie	Gore being elected wouldn't have changed the fact politicians would have used this to their advantage. I bet somewhere some "my entire arguments fits onto an eight word sign" folk will protest the date.

07-21-2003, 06:31 PM	#29 (permalink)
Pennington Banned Location: Autonomous Zone	Dems, republicans, green, libertarian- they all exploit whatever they can in order to gain an advantage. Its just that sometimes it just becomes too obvious that they are playing on your heartstrings rather than on your intelect. All groups do it, iregardless of ideology. Its just a matter of who hides it better.

07-21-2003, 07:55 PM	#30 (permalink)
Zeld2.0 Cherry-pickin' devil's advocate Location: Los Angeles	Exploitation is everywhere so this doesn't surprise me though that doesn't mean i think its great. Exploitation only becomes known if someone gets caught for it and that almsot never happens. Besides if you think the other side is exploiting more then your own group has expoited your mind to think they are.