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ASU2003 · 04-22-2008, 08:01 PM

in the main election? Or allow them to vote for a third party?

It would make things a little more interesting at least. I think it would be a good thing, both for the parties picking the right people for them (you don't get democrats in the early race voting for McCain because they didn't want Romney/Giuliani, and now you don't get republicans crossing over and voting for Hilary who would be their worst nightmare if she won.)

I think it would take a lot of the politics out of it, and give independents/3rd parties a boost. You could vote against the person you don't like in the primary, but you then wouldn't be able to vote for their preferred parties candidate. Even if the person they don't like won.

What do you think?

dc_dux · 04-22-2008, 08:06 PM

I think that would be unconstitutional.

samcol · 04-22-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dc_dux

I think that would be unconstitutional.

I agree and don't like the idea at all.

Ustwo · 04-22-2008, 08:35 PM

Most definitely unconstitutional.

If the primary systems are broken, then it should be up to the parties to fix it themselves.

Willravel · 04-22-2008, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

If the primary systems are broken, then it should be up to the parties to fix it themselves.

I... um... agree.

Wow.

SecretMethod70 · 04-22-2008, 08:51 PM

ditto

The_Jazz · 04-23-2008, 04:53 AM

Congratulations to ASU2003 for posting the least debatable topic in Tilted Politics in 2008! Here's your free toaster and a year's supply of Turtle Wax!

Yeah, unconstitutional and the parties have to fix it.

ottopilot · 04-23-2008, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Jazz

Congratulations to ASU2003 for posting the least debatable topic in Tilted Politics in 2008! Here's your free toaster and a year's supply of Turtle Wax!

Yeah, unconstitutional and the parties have to fix it.

Wow, the planets must be in alignment. I agree too. Kuddos!

Seaver · 04-23-2008, 05:50 AM

There are other alternatives.

In Texas you can only vote in the primary if you register as a Dem/Republican. That keeps people from cross-voting, and continuing division within the opposing party.

girldetective · 04-23-2008, 05:59 AM

Seaver: I think that is true across the nation, that is what a primary is all about - the parties.

Original OP: What you propose is unconstitutional, and should remain that way I believe. You know, freedom and all that stuff.

Edit: And let me say that it annoys me when anyone starts to fuck with our voting system - the reps in TX changing voting parameters, the Florida debacle, the last election, voter frauds that I dont know about, all of it. There was a point a few years ago where my family threatened to not allow me to talk about politics as I would go apoplectic and start to mumble under my breathe. Im telling you, just dont fuck with it.

Jinn · 04-23-2008, 06:51 AM

I agree with Ustwo, willravel, and ottopilot.

what the fuck

ASU2003 · 04-23-2008, 08:18 PM

So what would you guys do to get rid of tactical voting? Our current system of voting has gotten us politicians that get 20% approval ratings, so there is something wrong with the system.

It is done at the state level now, is that why you are saying it is unconstitutional? There are states that have better systems than others and we should fix the problems so we get the correct candidates that will reflect people's views (so at least 50% of the country should be happy).

dc_dux · 04-23-2008, 08:28 PM

ASU...I'm not sure what you think the problem is.

By tactical voting, do you mean cross-over voting like occurred in the recent Tex, Ohio and Pa Democratic primaries, where Republicans "temporarily" registered as Democrats to attempt to influence the Clinton/Obama race?

Not much can be done about it, but it does have a built-in disincentive in many cases. If you are a Repub and temporarily register as a Dem for a primary, you give up the right to participate in the Republican primary and even if the Presidential nominee has been decided (ie McCain), you lose the opportunity to vote for Repub primary candidates for other offices on the ballot (House, Senate, state legislature, etc).

If you think the problem is proportional voting (Dem primaries) or winner-take-all (Repub primaries)...that is a different issue. Both have pluses and minuses.

I'm not sure what you mean by "its done at the state level" either. No state puts any restrictions on who a citizen can vote for in a general election..for president, governor, legislator, mayor...that is unconstitutional.

Derwood · 04-24-2008, 11:35 AM

there are some states where you don't have to register for one party or the other until AFTER the primaries

dc_dux · 04-24-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Derwood

there are some states where you don't have to register for one party or the other until AFTER the primaries

True...that is the case in state with totally open primaries....but you can still only vote in one primary.

In fact, you dont have to register for either major party (or any party) in order to vote in the general election. Most states offer "undeclared" (or some similar designation) for party affiliation on the voter registration.

girldetective · 04-24-2008, 12:09 PM

>>there are some states where you don't have to register for one party or the other until AFTER the primaries<<

This is true? In OR you need to be registered Dem or Rep to vote in the primary. Indep or Greens dont get a primary vote.

04-22-2008, 08:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
ASU2003 immoral minority Location: Back in Ohio	If you vote for one party in the primary, shoul you need to vote for the same party.. in the main election? Or allow them to vote for a third party? It would make things a little more interesting at least. I think it would be a good thing, both for the parties picking the right people for them (you don't get democrats in the early race voting for McCain because they didn't want Romney/Giuliani, and now you don't get republicans crossing over and voting for Hilary who would be their worst nightmare if she won.) I think it would take a lot of the politics out of it, and give independents/3rd parties a boost. You could vote against the person you don't like in the primary, but you then wouldn't be able to vote for their preferred parties candidate. Even if the person they don't like won. What do you think?

04-22-2008, 08:06 PM	#2 (permalink)
dc_dux Location: Washington DC	I think that would be unconstitutional. __________________ "The perfect is the enemy of the good." ~ Voltaire

04-22-2008, 08:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	Most definitely unconstitutional. If the primary systems are broken, then it should be up to the parties to fix it themselves. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

04-22-2008, 08:51 PM	#6 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	ditto __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

04-23-2008, 04:53 AM	#7 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	Congratulations to ASU2003 for posting the least debatable topic in Tilted Politics in 2008! Here's your free toaster and a year's supply of Turtle Wax! Yeah, unconstitutional and the parties have to fix it. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

04-23-2008, 05:50 AM	#9 (permalink)
Seaver Junkie Location: Fort Worth, TX	There are other alternatives. In Texas you can only vote in the primary if you register as a Dem/Republican. That keeps people from cross-voting, and continuing division within the opposing party. __________________ "Smite the rocks with the rod of knowledge, and fountains of unstinted wealth will gush forth." - Ashbel Smith as he laid the first cornerstone of the University of Texas

04-23-2008, 05:59 AM	#10 (permalink)
girldetective sufferable	Seaver: I think that is true across the nation, that is what a primary is all about - the parties. Original OP: What you propose is unconstitutional, and should remain that way I believe. You know, freedom and all that stuff. Edit: And let me say that it annoys me when anyone starts to fuck with our voting system - the reps in TX changing voting parameters, the Florida debacle, the last election, voter frauds that I dont know about, all of it. There was a point a few years ago where my family threatened to not allow me to talk about politics as I would go apoplectic and start to mumble under my breathe. Im telling you, just dont fuck with it. __________________ As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons...be cheerful; strive for happiness - Desiderata Last edited by girldetective; 04-23-2008 at 06:12 AM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

04-23-2008, 06:51 AM	#11 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	I agree with Ustwo, willravel, and ottopilot. what the fuck __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel

04-23-2008, 08:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
ASU2003 immoral minority Location: Back in Ohio	So what would you guys do to get rid of tactical voting? Our current system of voting has gotten us politicians that get 20% approval ratings, so there is something wrong with the system. It is done at the state level now, is that why you are saying it is unconstitutional? There are states that have better systems than others and we should fix the problems so we get the correct candidates that will reflect people's views (so at least 50% of the country should be happy).

04-23-2008, 08:28 PM	#13 (permalink)
dc_dux Location: Washington DC	ASU...I'm not sure what you think the problem is. By tactical voting, do you mean cross-over voting like occurred in the recent Tex, Ohio and Pa Democratic primaries, where Republicans "temporarily" registered as Democrats to attempt to influence the Clinton/Obama race? Not much can be done about it, but it does have a built-in disincentive in many cases. If you are a Repub and temporarily register as a Dem for a primary, you give up the right to participate in the Republican primary and even if the Presidential nominee has been decided (ie McCain), you lose the opportunity to vote for Repub primary candidates for other offices on the ballot (House, Senate, state legislature, etc). If you think the problem is proportional voting (Dem primaries) or winner-take-all (Repub primaries)...that is a different issue. Both have pluses and minuses. I'm not sure what you mean by "its done at the state level" either. No state puts any restrictions on who a citizen can vote for in a general election..for president, governor, legislator, mayor...that is unconstitutional. __________________ "The perfect is the enemy of the good." ~ Voltaire Last edited by dc_dux; 04-23-2008 at 09:26 PM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

04-24-2008, 11:35 AM	#14 (permalink)
Derwood Who You Crappin? Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	there are some states where you don't have to register for one party or the other until AFTER the primaries

04-24-2008, 12:09 PM	#16 (permalink)
girldetective sufferable	>>there are some states where you don't have to register for one party or the other until AFTER the primaries<< This is true? In OR you need to be registered Dem or Rep to vote in the primary. Indep or Greens dont get a primary vote. __________________ As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons...be cheerful; strive for happiness - Desiderata