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three cheers for socialism
for all of you who wish to 'socialize' the united states....this is a taste of whats coming. don't say you weren't warned.
France bans 'citizen' journalists from reporting violence banning civilian journalism click to show |
And what, exactly does the socialist economic model have to do with government censorship?
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socialism leads to communism. It's inevitable. government censorship must be utilized in order to hide the many negatives of socialism. It will eventually lead to an erosion of civil rights....much like most of England already has.
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Bush and the Repub Congress took the first step down that road when Congress passed and Bush signed the Broadcast Decency Enforcement Act, which increased the penalties for violations by TV broadcasters of the prohibitions against transmission of obscene, indecent, and profane material.
The bill was initiated by social conservatives outrage over the "indecent" Janet Jackson nipple exposure incident that may have traumatized America's children. There were additional bills still pending in the Repub Congress last year: Quote:
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First of all, you're confusing Communism with Fascism. Socialism is an economic system. Communism is a political system. Fascism is a control system. I know in conservativeland all apparently-bad things are linked together and arise simultaneously and as mutual causes of each other, but in reality they're not interchangeable. The most aggressively censoring government the world has ever known wasn't Socialist or Communist at all, despite the name "National Socialist Party". The Nazis had a more brutal clamp-down on the media than even Soviet Russia had. I also dispute your assertion that "socialism leads to communism". First of all, the evil of Communism isn't at all self-evident, despite what McCarthy had to say about it. Second, there are LOTS of countries in the world with Socialist-leaning agendas both economically and socially. The vast majority of them are very successful Democracies. Finally: if you're really that worried about civil rights, go demand the impeachment of your current President. He's done more to destroy civil rights than any leader in American history, and more than most leaders in the history of the world. |
so the question is, are the french people going to raise hell over this? i've seen those guys go ape shit in the streets before over worker's rights and so forth. after all the chicanery with the north african immigrants burning and looting a while back, i'm curious if the "native" french population will reject or support this measure? didn't i see that an increasing number had voted for le pen / national front recently?
regardless, dk, thanks for the information. i'm fairly certain i don't agree that i don't agree that this is related to socialism / socialized health care/retirement/etc. i would say that you can take any form of government and make it oppressive, and such measures will follow. people in power like to be in power, increase their power, and so forth. that's not a function of government style, that's a fact of life. |
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If you're going to spread lies, at least try to make them plausible. Socialism does not lead to communism. Period. Ask Sweden. Furthermore, if you're going to spread lies about socialism, try not to take a toddler viewpoint on it. Very few things are all bad, and very few things are all good. No one (here, that I know of) is trying to suggest that the US become entirely socialist. However, in certain areas, socialist concepts can be applied nicely. And England isn't socialist or communist, it's a parlimentary representative democracy with a capitalist economy. So far with the exception of your name, your entire statement is false, misleading, and absurd. Got anything else for us? |
Yes, we have a socialist system here. No, we're not communist. Yes, we're allowed to say whatever we want. (And even show boobs and curse on national TV, imagine that!)
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That's what I love about this place, someone makes a very weak statement about censorship and ecomomic policies that have little or nothing to do with each other, a few people tear it (rightly so) to shreads and then someone comes in with nice (and comical) coup de grace. I love it when a thread comes together. |
Wait, someone explain how this effects me? I'm not French, nor have I ever been (to the best of my knowledge). I don't even think I can manage to read French anymore, so I couldn't read these blogs anyway.
And what in the world does this have to do with socialism? I sort of feel like Mogatu at the end of "Zoolander" with this thread. Am I taking crazy pills? |
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A government doesn't have to be socialist to pass what many of us perceive as laws that go too far in restricting our freedom. |
Last time i checked, most of the countries in the HDI's top 10 are socially oriented.
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This is what's wrong with people talking about politics. They decide some thing's a bad thing, then attribute everything bad to it.
Socialism has absolutely nothing to do with censorship, and Communism isn't out to get anyone. McCarthy was a cruel idiot, and anyone who follows his philosophy is living in the wrong decade. |
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I've seen you make some crazy connections but this trumps all of them. Ridiculous.
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DKsuddeth: Read the wikipedia article on socialism before you put your foot in your mouth again:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism It's a well written article and will clear up any confusion. |
I dont think I can really add to what others have said but it worries me that someone would post these kinds of connections even in a jovial context. Is this really the naive view held by people across the pond? It stinks of 1980's propaganda against the Soviet Union. I would have hoped in 2007 noone would still be so easily influenced.
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America's big enough that the edges of the bell curve extend further into radical areas on both edges of the spectrum. Plus we do seem to still be dealing with the remnants of anti-Soviet propaganda, for example look at our continued treatment of Cuba. Also few American's have traveled abroad and have first hand experience under different political systems.
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Thank god we are in america where we have no censorship over what the media can show. Like Boobs at the superbowl, or coffins draped with american flags coming back from Iraq. For a country that claims to be founded on Christ like ideals, we sure know how to fuck the poor by not giving them healthcare. Jesus was a socialist no way around that one.
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That is a pretty bold statement and I don't want to derail this thread but I totally disagree with this statement and I'm sure most biblical scholars would agree with me. |
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Sure, declaring yourself the messiah -doesn't go against Rabbinical laws. Seems like you should have another thread somewhere. |
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the laws if they were really who they said they were. I agree that we should have another thread if we want to discuss this further but unfortunately there is no good forum to put it in and starting a thread on this would ultimately lead to endless Christian bashing. |
:rolleyes: Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum, c'mon guys. Like, orbiting teapots, and shit.
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the problem with this thread should be obvious: dk is conflating a poorly written french law with the word socialism. he demonstrably has at best a loose grip on what socialism is: in this case it primarily refers to "that which i do not like."
the underlying assumption appears to be an argument from elective affinity, and the "data" amounts to an assumption that socialists have a monpoly on poorly written law (patriot act anyone?) the premise of the thread is incoherent, so the discussion that follows cant really help but be incoherent as well. read the thread. qed. |
Lame thread, and threadjacked to boot. I'll reopen if someone can PM me with some sort of compelling, or at least half-way rational reason to do so.
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