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Marvelous Marv 03-02-2006 06:15 PM

Duke's sentence
 
Sometime tomorrow, Randy "Duke" Cunningham will have been sentenced. The prosecution wants the max--ten years.

The defense wants no more than six years, on the grounds that he admitted his guilt, he regrets his behavior, and he has health problems, although the only thing I've seen in that regard is that he had prostate cancer in the past.

Frankly, I don't give a shit HOW sorry he is, since it wasn't like he confessed before he was hopelessly cornered. I also don't care if he regrets his behavior. Tell that to the Pentagon officials who report that he tried to have them fired, and went over their heads because they questioned the legitimacy of some of the contracts he was paid to push.

I say give him the max, since he's the most egregious political bribery case I can recall.

It's a little overused, but "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time" still works for me.

politicophile 03-02-2006 06:17 PM

As a general rule, giving the maximum sentence to people who confess is not a great idea because it gives future criminals every incentive to bring their case to trial rather than just pleading guilty. A though.

martinguerre 03-02-2006 06:34 PM

politcophile...and the amount below the max should be proportionate to the risk the state would incur by forcing the matter to trial. Since the chance of aquittal is virtually none...Duke gains little by retaining his right to trial. He didn't have room to bargain.

This has almost no effect on a person facing charges that are less secure...their ability to bargain is proportionate to the chance that they have of gaining aquittal.

Marvelous Marv 03-03-2006 03:58 PM

I'm treading on dangerous ground by not researching this first, but didn't he plea bargain for ten years? I fail to see the logic of negotiating a plea bargain downward.

Not to mention the horrible example it sets.

AVoiceOfReason 03-06-2006 11:32 AM

Ok, I will state right up front that I don't know much about Cunningham's case. I weigh in only as a lawyer that has handled many federal criminal defense cases.

When Cunningham cut his deal, it was likely to one or two counts that carried a maximum of 10 years. If the US sentencing guidelines (USSG) are followed, and they are now discretionary with the judge, not binding, he should receive some credit for "taking responsibility." Under the USSG, if his offense was a level 28 (and I have NO idea, I'm just making up numbers), and his criminal history score is a zero (likely the case), then the judge could reduce the level of the offense to level 25.

Also under the USSG is the possibility for a "downward departure" from the guidelines based on other factors, such as cooperation (that's called a "5K motion" if you hear it discussed on a chat show). I've seen as many as 7 levels deducted due to cooperation (i.e. the guy sang like a canary and other people got caught), and as few as 3 levels. In fact, I recently had a guy that was on the edges of a criminal enterprise. We went in to try to get a couple of levels knocked down by telling what we knew, but he didn't know anything the feds didn't already have, so he got NO reduction under 5K (we didn't really expect it).

Now the judge may decide not to follow the guidelines because of the notoriety of Cunningham and to send a clear message to other elected officials that at least in his court, you better not be doing what he was convicted of.

Poppinjay 03-06-2006 12:12 PM

Cunningham is as sleazy as they come. He pushed for the death penalty for drug traffickers. Then when his son was busted for....... DRUG TRAFFICKING, "Duke" made a tearful plea for leniency. His son was sentenced to 2 1/2 years.

His righteous, holier than thou act has come to a close. And he's in as low a place as he'll ever be.

That said, ten years is a death sentence for him. For a politician in his position, 6 years or 30 years doesn't really matter (unless you're Marion Barry), the ride is over. The money is gone. Or it better be.

Honestly, if I were him, given his politics of moral outrage, I'd take advantage of the stretch to enjoy being out of the limelight.

Frobby 03-07-2006 06:31 PM

He also proposed cutting off benefits for any active duty military that contracted AIDS.
He's a sleazeball's sleazeball.

Marvelous Marv 03-07-2006 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVoiceOfReason
Ok, I will state right up front that I don't know much about Cunningham's case. I weigh in only as a lawyer that has handled many federal criminal defense cases.

When Cunningham cut his deal, it was likely to one or two counts that carried a maximum of 10 years. If the US sentencing guidelines (USSG) are followed, and they are now discretionary with the judge, not binding, he should receive some credit for "taking responsibility." Under the USSG, if his offense was a level 28 (and I have NO idea, I'm just making up numbers), and his criminal history score is a zero (likely the case), then the judge could reduce the level of the offense to level 25.

Also under the USSG is the possibility for a "downward departure" from the guidelines based on other factors, such as cooperation (that's called a "5K motion" if you hear it discussed on a chat show). I've seen as many as 7 levels deducted due to cooperation (i.e. the guy sang like a canary and other people got caught), and as few as 3 levels. In fact, I recently had a guy that was on the edges of a criminal enterprise. We went in to try to get a couple of levels knocked down by telling what we knew, but he didn't know anything the feds didn't already have, so he got NO reduction under 5K (we didn't really expect it).

Now the judge may decide not to follow the guidelines because of the notoriety of Cunningham and to send a clear message to other elected officials that at least in his court, you better not be doing what he was convicted of.

Thanks for the insider's viewpoint. Judging from his well-established selfishness, I'm sure he sang like a canary, too.

There are rumors he wore a wire for the Feds, too. I guess we'll find out later if that's true.

AVoiceOfReason 03-09-2006 07:59 AM

I see Cunningham got 100 months:

_______________________________
SAN DIEGO, California (CNN) -- Former GOP Congressman Randy "Duke" Cunningham was sentenced Friday to eight years and four months in federal prison for taking $2.4 million in bribes from at least three defense contractors.

The sentence is the highest ever for a former member of Congress, prosecutor Jason Forge said. Cunningham was taken into custody after sentencing, he said.

The 64-year-old Cunningham, a former U.S. representative from California, pleaded guilty November 28 to conspiracy to commit bribery, mail fraud, wire fraud and tax evasion. He also pleaded guilty to a separate tax-evasion violation for failing to disclose income in 2004.

Hours after entering the pleas, Cunningham resigned from Congress in tears.

He could have been sentenced to 10 years in prison, but U.S. District Judge Larry Burns shortened his time because of Cunningham's military service, age and health, Forge said. If he continues to cooperate with authorities, his sentence could be reduced further, the prosecutor said. _____________________________________

Under a federal sentence, the normal rule is that a defendant serves about 85% of the time given. 100 months works out to about 7 years in prison, unless the part I put in italics comes about.

Marvelous Marv 03-12-2006 03:16 PM

I say he serves half that.

Too bad the public seems to have already lost interest.


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