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irateplatypus · 08-22-2004, 12:52 PM

i wish i would have joined this thread earlier...

i think sargeman is being misunderstood. there seems to be some confusion between the terms "amoral" and "immoral". sargeman proposed that without religion people would be "amoral" (without morals or concept of morals). whereas csflim automatically translated that as "immoral" (recognizing a moral framework, yet going against it).

people can constantly modify the specifics of morality, but who can claim to know the source of our awareness of the principle of morality apart from an outside (perhaps divine?) source?

and finally... can we please put to rest the crude notion that religion is responsible for all the world's ills? violence and aggression from atheistic states is certainly no better than theocracies or purportedly religious movements. jealousy and greed cause most human conflict, believing the religious facade composed by the manipulators does not bring us closer to truth.

prosequence · 08-22-2004, 02:50 PM

Hmmm, if all religion was forgotten then atheism would cease to exist as well, being a religion and all.
I guess it would also eliminate a huge chunk of history, politics, family values and beliefs.
Intersting thought, but I thank GOD that it isn't forgotten.

08-22-2004, 12:52 PM	#41 (permalink)
irateplatypus can't help but laugh Location: dar al-harb	i wish i would have joined this thread earlier... i think sargeman is being misunderstood. there seems to be some confusion between the terms "amoral" and "immoral". sargeman proposed that without religion people would be "amoral" (without morals or concept of morals). whereas csflim automatically translated that as "immoral" (recognizing a moral framework, yet going against it). people can constantly modify the specifics of morality, but who can claim to know the source of our awareness of the principle of morality apart from an outside (perhaps divine?) source? and finally... can we please put to rest the crude notion that religion is responsible for all the world's ills? violence and aggression from atheistic states is certainly no better than theocracies or purportedly religious movements. jealousy and greed cause most human conflict, believing the religious facade composed by the manipulators does not bring us closer to truth. __________________ If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves. ~ Winston Churchill

08-22-2004, 02:50 PM	#42 (permalink)
prosequence Psycho Location: YOUR MOM!!	Hmmm, if all religion was forgotten then atheism would cease to exist as well, being a religion and all. I guess it would also eliminate a huge chunk of history, politics, family values and beliefs. Intersting thought, but I thank GOD that it isn't forgotten. __________________ And now here I stand because of you, Mister Anderson, because of you I'm no longer an agent of the system, because of you I've changed...