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cockmonger · 01-04-2005, 08:02 PM

After watching the Orange Bowl Half-time Show...i was just wondering a few things.
1. Why do all the hot girls in the world gravitate towards Country music singers
2. Is Ashley really singing that badly?
3. Would she be ANYWHERE without jessica?
4. HOLY SHIT! Are they REALLY booooing her?

Just wondering..tee hee.

absorbentishe · 01-04-2005, 09:22 PM

I caught just the end of Ashlee, and it was bad, IMO. And the boos, if we were in Europe, that would be okay, but not here! Maybe she should finally realize her 15 minutes have ticked away a long time ago.

MacGuyver · 01-04-2005, 11:36 PM

She should just stop bullshitting her way through a career, and just sit back and ride her sister's payroll.

Glory's Sun · 01-05-2005, 08:11 AM

they both need to stop singing. uugh.

thankfully I found the game quite boring and turned it off before halftime so I didn't have to put myself through such torture.. although I might watch a clip of ashley getting booed..

Tralls · 01-05-2005, 08:40 AM

The booing was sad and hilarious at the same time. It is funny that the sound was messed up...she can't catch a break! Imagine if the game had been in Philly. they boo all the halftime entertainment if they are the least bit sucky...or if the Eagles are losing at halftime.

hawkeye · 01-05-2005, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr

they both need to stop singing. uugh.

thankfully I found the game quite boring and turned it off before halftime so I didn't have to put myself through such torture.. although I might watch a clip of ashley getting booed..

Here ya go.

choskins · 01-05-2005, 09:56 AM

She makes me wanna... puke.

Glory's Sun · 01-05-2005, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by hawkeye

Here ya go.

kept getting a timeout on that link hawkeye.. oh well I'll try again later

Frosstbyte · 01-05-2005, 10:39 AM

That was definitely one of the most pathetic half time shows I have ever seen. I don't like any of them to begin with, but Kelly Clarkson's mic kept cutting out so her lips were moving and no sound came out, the second guy was totally forgetable and Ashlee Simpson was just...unreal. My dad and I were sitting and watching and just couldn't believe that she was actually as bad as she was.

As for the booing, hey, I'm all for it. When you go up on stage in public, you put yourself at the mercy of the crowd. If you suck (and she did), that's what happens. I sure as shit would've booed if I was there. Maybe she'll get the message and disappear back to whereever it was she came from.

P.S. Take your sister and all the other overproduced people with you.

Ace_O_Spades · 01-05-2005, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Frosstbyte

That was definitely one of the most pathetic half time shows I have ever seen. I don't like any of them to begin with, but Kelly Clarkson's mic kept cutting out so her lips were moving and no sound came out, the second guy was totally forgetable and Ashlee Simpson was just...unreal. My dad and I were sitting and watching and just couldn't believe that she was actually as bad as she was.

As for the booing, hey, I'm all for it. When you go up on stage in public, you put yourself at the mercy of the crowd. If you suck (and she did), that's what happens. I sure as shit would've booed if I was there. Maybe she'll get the message and disappear back to whereever it was she came from.

P.S. Take your sister and all the other overproduced people with you.

Everything said in this post... down to the last word... could be said again from my perspective.

So instead of writing up my own version... suffice to say my experience was identical to Frosstbyte's

K-Wise · 01-05-2005, 03:41 PM

I just saw it(Pops had it tivo'd). That was absolutely painful to watch. God that was just aweful. The sound guys fucked up big time too. Everyone sounded terrible. But Ashlee would have sounded terrible regardless but now she has another fuckin excuse "The mics weren't working I had to really strain my voice to try and sing, and I was out of breath." I can see it now she's gonna blame somebody. She looked like a jackass too. I mean I know I'm a guy but who the hell picked out her clothes? And she needs to go back to being a blond the black hair just looks ridiculous on her. Thats gotta be the worst halftime show ever.

Asta!!

BlitzkriegKommt · 01-05-2005, 03:44 PM

I really wish they'd have left her kisser on the screen to see her reaction.

She shouldn't have been surprised by the booing btw.

K-Wise · 01-05-2005, 03:47 PM

I think I heard them boo Kelly a bit too.

Asta!!

MacGuyver · 01-05-2005, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by K-Wise

now she has another fuckin excuse "The mics weren't working I had to really strain my voice to try and sing, and I was out of breath." I can see it now she's gonna blame somebody.

Thats why singers train. So they won't be out of breath, and they wont have to 'strain' they will be able to 'reach with ease'. Go work the corner, you no talent peice of shit.

Avail · 01-05-2005, 04:30 PM

Ashlee Simpson was ridiculous. The grunting in the song didn't help either.

Glory's Sun · 01-05-2005, 04:37 PM

ok so I watched the clip.. I haven't laughed that hard..since well..since the time she got busted on SNL. Maybe she'll take a hint and quit the business.. maybe she'll drag her sister down too. Maybe if we're all lucky ashley will single-handedly destroy the entire pop genre!! One can dream right?

K-Wise · 01-05-2005, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MacGuyver

Thats why singers train. So they won't be out of breath, and they wont have to 'strain' they will be able to 'reach with ease'. Go work the corner, you no talent peice of shit.

Yeah and maybe 2 outta 5 people that saw her know that haha. All she has to do is say that shit and more than half the people there will be like.."Oh..so thats why..poor her." Haven't you noticed that people sing flat, or sing the wrong notes all the time when singing someone elses song and no one can tell? It's cause they don't know shit. All she has to do is find one person high enough up that "knows what he's talking about" to say it's not her fault. Thankfully everyone hates her already so no matter what she says they're still gonna boo her. I'm sure she's a nice girl and all but she can't sing for shit and shouldn't be allowed to make music anymore.

Asta!!

blitz.fenix · 01-05-2005, 05:35 PM

I for one think Ashlees hot but she should stick to Maxim or Playboy. I laughed so hard at the end of her performance. Ugh.

MacGuyver · 01-05-2005, 07:09 PM

From MSNBC Entertainment News:

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Ashlee Simpson’s vocal malfunction:
Making viewers long for the days of Janet Jackson's breast.

By Michael Ventre
MSNBC contributor
Updated: 5:53 p.m. ET Jan. 5, 2005

In this case, if Ashlee Simpson had flashed a breast, the FCC probably would have let it go.

After all, agencies of the federal government are there to protect the citizenry from any sort of injury or harm. Ashlee’s performance at halftime of Tuesday night’s Orange Bowl in Miami was about as close as a singer gets to committing aggravated assault. If she had only taken a lesson from Janet Jackson, the world would be talking today about the exposure of a boob rather than a fraud.

Much of the blame for this fiasco falls upon ABC, which hired this female Gilbert Gottfried to headline the halftime show for college football’s ultimate game, matching No. 1 USC against No. 2 Oklahoma. If the Sooners are despondent today after absorbing a 55-19 bludgeoning from the Trojans, they can take solace that each and every one of them could have taken the halftime stage dressed in drag and mooed like a cow and still induce fewer boos than Ashlee did Tuesday night.

First NBC invited Ashlee on “Saturday Night Live,” where she tried to fool the audience by lip-synching her way through a song, but failed. Now ABC. Don’t these networks have a Standards and Practices office anymore? Don’t they care about the welfare of our children? Don’t these network executives realize that a performance like Ashlee’s could produce imitators? Are they unconcerned about copycat Ashlees?

Slack-jawed awe:
Ashlee’s singing sounded like a cross between a political prisoner being tortured and a test of the Emergency Broadcast System.

I watched the Orange Bowl Tuesday night, like millions of other Americans. The first half was all USC. When halftime arrived, I sat at the kitchen table, watching the TV from a room away. Because of the distance, the sound seemed lower than it was if I was right there in front of the screen. I started to enjoy a fine meal. I felt safe and secure.

When Ashlee came on and began to perform, though, I literally dropped my fork. Then I cupped my hands over my ears, but it didn’t help. Ashlee’s singing sounded like a cross between a political prisoner being tortured and a test of the Emergency Broadcast System.

I desperately searched for the remote so I could hit the mute button, but I must have misplaced it. But I also couldn’t believe that someone didn’t rush the stage and stop her. The local police. The FBI. Homeland security. Even an angry mob of vigilantes. Instead, they just let her keep going. I’ve never felt so helpless or vulnerable in my life.

I happened to look out the window and noticed that some of my neighbors were running down the street, their hands over their ears, screaming for help. I wanted to help them, I really did. Yet I was gripped by horror and disbelief. I was practically catatonic. For their sake — and for mine — all I could hope for was a swift end to the halftime show.

Shrieking like a hyena giving birth, she closed her “song” with something that approximates the phrase, “you make we wanna SCREAM!” And then she waited for applause.

Instead, she got boos, the kind of irate and vindictive boos that usually occur after a pro wrestler taunts a crowd. Through the cacophony, the gentle strains of “You suck!” could be heard. Ashlee was escorted off the stage and through a tunnel, and let’s just say the Indiana Pacers were received more warmly by Detroit fans when they walked toward the locker room after the brawl.

SO FUNNY!

EDIT: Nevermind, I just watched it, holy shit, I feel so much better about myself now. I can sing better than that, and I sing like a BEAST.

K-Wise · 01-05-2005, 07:51 PM

I think 90% of us can sing better than that. William Hung would have gotten more applause than she did.

Asta!!

OFKU0 · 01-05-2005, 08:45 PM

I've been a professional musician for almost 20 years, have played with people who some of you have probably downloaded, and as much as I try to laugh at something like this, it just makes me angry,....no it makes me sad.

When no talents like Ashlee/Jessica Simpson, Lindsey Lohan, Hillary Duff are making millions and can't sing at all and the people producing them are making millions and millions more, I step back, and think of how music has gone to shit.

Am I happy Ashlee Simpson got booed? No. The reason is that she shouldn't be there in the first place because she has zero talent. But if booing will get people like her and others out of the mainstream for some real talent then so be it.

It's time for MUSICIANS to get recognized for their talents instead of half baked wanna be's taking their spot. I heard Ashlee Simpson had a song on the Billboard charts before she even fucking performed live for the first time. What???

You people have the power. Support talent or put up with sub standard mediocrity. Buy an artist's CD instead of downloading it so that talent can show through and thrive. Downloading only produces shit like Ashlee Simpson because her backers have lots of coin. You want good music? Support those who make it and make life a little easier for us musicians not to mention your ears. What goes around, comes around, and this is the proof.

K-Wise · 01-05-2005, 08:48 PM

^ Spoken like a true champion

Asta!!

MacGuyver · 01-05-2005, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OFKU0

When no talents like Ashlee/Jessica Simpson, Lindsey Lohan, Hillary Duff are making millions and can't sing at all and the people producing them are making millions and millions more, I step back, and think of how music has gone to shit.

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You people have the power. Support talent or put up with sub standard mediocrity. Buy an artist's CD instead of downloading it so that talent can show through and thrive. Downloading only produces shit like Ashlee Simpson because her backers have lots of coin. You want good music? Support those who make it and make life a little easier for us musicians not to mention your ears. What goes around, comes around, and this is the proof.

Being a musician as well, I agree with alot of what you say. I dont think downloading music PRODUCES the money for no-talent 'artists' (if you can even call them that). Pirating mp3's doesn't earn them money, it takes away from thier CD sales. I think these backers have the cash no matter what, and getting music from P2P dowloading programs isn't going to stop them from emerging. The only way these poor excuses for musicians will go away is through rejection by the masses. People have to realize that they dont want to listen to thier music, and stop buying thier CD's. When people stop buying thier stuff, I think they will get the message.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to go against your grain, I'm just trying to take a different direction on it. I buy tons of local music CD's if I like thier sound, go to local concerts, and have freinds in the local scene. I actually go to more 'unsigned' or 'local unestablished' band's shows more than I go to mainstream artist or successful musicians shows. Buying from these guys is DEFINATELY a plus. It helps them get out there, any money you can give you definately should. Join a street team or something, promote!

roachboy · 01-05-2005, 09:37 PM

what on earth would cause anyone to associate a football halftime show with musicianship?

up to the last couple of posts, i had taken this thread as confirmation of the (accidental) wisdom of not watching most sports on television, and not watching the orange bowl in particular.
but now i no longer understand it.

if you were serious about playing, why would you take a halftime gig?
what would you get for having taken it?
i mean apart from cash, the only reason to be there.
the facetime you might get on tv would be mitigated by shitty sound, crappy conditions, made-for-television timing, drunken nitwits in the crowd in the stadium and at home---at best, you are a wind-up toy trotted out between other elements in the middle of one of the great jokes of american higher education--big time, big money university-level sports (dont get me started....just let this coment lay there). you are filler between commercials, like everything else is. so why not ashlee simpson? it seems all aspects of the "entertainment" deserve each other.

say you were to take the gig and play your heart out--well, if playing your heart out did not amount to stringing together a series of cliches, you wouldnt have the gig in the first place. in which case no-one would care if you did play your heart out. the audience at a football game, if they are listening at all, are listening to and for what they already know.

IT IS A FOOTBALL GAME.

the question of who or what is a "real musician" and who gets to decide that is problematic in many ways---but talking about answers and the problems raised by them would run right off the edge of this thread----which is about the fucking orange bowl halftime show and a performer whose mediocrity is just a little too obvious-----
so i'll defer it. the topic will come back up. with straight players around, it always does.

MacGuyver · 01-06-2005, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by roachboy

what on earth would cause anyone to associate a football halftime show with musicianship?

The fact that we are discussing a single performer's blunders, which just so happend to occur in a football game halftime show. If they had happened on any other gig, I'm pretty sure we'd end up talking about her poor musicianship anyways. Probably because we are discussing the performer who was in the show, not the whole show itself.

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i had taken this thread as confirmation of the (accidental) wisdom of not watching most sports on television, and not watching the orange bowl in particular.

This thread is about Ashlee Simpson fucking up... again.

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if you were serious about playing, why would you take a halftime gig?

... I think national television is a pretty good thing for a career.

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what would you get for having taken it?

Good (or bad) exposure to a mass public. That could boost (or lower) sales of your media. It's pretty simple actually.

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i mean apart from cash, the only reason to be there.

Gaining a larger fanbase, exposing your music/message/art. Yes alot of it leads back to money, but its unavoidable, money makes the world go 'round.

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IT IS A FOOTBALL GAME.

Trust me. I know how football games go. Have you ever entertained a football crowd? If you have, you should know it totally sucks in one aspect and is good in another. I did marching band for a major university football program. The crowds are terrible, they're bastards and you have to sacrifice much of your musical integrity just to please them. On the other end of the spectrum, theres nothing like getting accepted by a humongous crowd. That aspect has never happend for me at a football game, but rather on a competetive circut. Sure, it's just a football game. That doesn't mean musicians should bend over and get fucked in the ass by football fans. I think I lost my message in this last paragraph but I dont really care. It's 5 AM and I need to go to bed.

gboz · 01-06-2005, 06:50 AM

MacGuyver, I think you missed OFKU0's point. He didn't say downloading people like Ashley Simpson would earn them money, he was saying that downloading the bands that you like keeps them from rising up to compete with people like her.

roachboy · 01-06-2005, 08:25 AM

i dunno---something about ashlee simpson makes me think of citizen kane--the musical career of kane's wife (her name escapes me)....i know a number of mediocrities of towering proportions who continue to function as "artists" as a function of trust funds or patrons. the fact of it no longer surprises or interests me.

unless you are doing pop yourself, taking a football halftime gig would be a total waste of time. you have to work without feeling straightjacketed within a number of contraints, from conventional tonality to fixed parts to the 4 minute limit to the prospect of touring as a copy of yourself on record.

if your disposition inclines you that way, then fine---it does not interest me, playing that way, but i often enjoy what the folk do who are working within these constraints. and there is no rule anywhere that stipulates that everyone has to play the same thing, in the same way. there is no consensus on what constitutes musicianship, or even if manipulating sound is self-contained as an activity (or if it links to visual art, for example, and how)
one thing for sure: if you are not working in a straight form, taking a tv gig would do you no good--not at a football game at least. imagine, for example, a great flamenco guitarist playing the fucking orange bowl. it would be a travesty. the situation would be horrific--the scale of it totally out of whack. and no-one-----and i mean no-one---would be listening. not really.

i work in a particular form of music--maybe it is on the basis of long engagement with "experimental" music that i have little sympathy with arguments against downloading, for example. unless you are doing a style that already has mass acceptance, the recordings are basically little more than commercials for performances and it makes little difference from this viewpoint whether people buy cds or download. many of the folk i know who play in this area work at extraordinary levels of virtuosity, but none of them sit around thinking about standards of "musicianship"--where i run into it most often is in conversations about music i have with my brother, who plays bluegrass. for him, this category operates--for me, it means nothing. playing does not refer to itself--it is a means to get to and work from within a particular set of states, and to communicate something of/about/from within these states. where you can get to is in significant measure a function of your control over the instrument--but here too, control is not one thing, there is no coherent standard for understanding it. there are only rules and standards particular to forms which you might take to be binding because you play within that form.

btw--i havent done the marching band thing. i am a pianist. while i might find the idea of being wheeled about on a platform playing a grand piano in the context of a marching band performance to be kinda funny--a very liberace moment----i expect that the folk who had to lift the piano onto the platform and then wheel it around would quickly find the joke wearing thin. it is never fun to play if the tech folk hate you.

quadro2000 · 01-06-2005, 10:44 AM

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unless you are doing pop yourself, taking a football halftime gig would be a total waste of time. you have to work without feeling straightjacketed within a number of contraints, from conventional tonality to fixed parts to the 4 minute limit to the prospect of touring as a copy of yourself on record.

it's not about the music.

it's about the publicity.

it's about selling records.

and Ashlee's hands are tied. She has not one iota of control over anything she does.

Sigh...it's sad. Jessica Simpson is more famous for being famous, and Ashlee is famous for being the sister of being someone famous.

and yet we all eat it up...

BTW, I loved the clip.

MacGuyver · 01-06-2005, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by gboz

MacGuyver, I think you missed OFKU0's point. He didn't say downloading people like Ashley Simpson would earn them money, he was saying that downloading the bands that you like keeps them from rising up to compete with people like her.

Not missed... clarified. He said "Downloading only produces shit like Ashlee Simpson because her backers have lots of coin." I took a little different direction because I think wether P2P downloading existed or not, I think these 'crap artists' would be out there no matter what. I didnt say that he said downloading earns revenue for the backers of such artists. Actually I said that dowloading doesnt affect them at all becuase they have the money no matter what. I never said it earned thier payroll. Besides, if you thoroughly read what I posted, I agreed with him on supporting artists by purchasing thier CD's instead of dowloading them. It's all there. Read it.

sammy776 · 01-06-2005, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cockmonger

After watching the Orange Bowl Half-time Show...i was just wondering a few things.
1. Why do all the hot girls in the world gravitate towards Country music singers
2. Is Ashley really singing that badly?
3. Would she be ANYWHERE without jessica?
4. HOLY SHIT! Are they REALLY booooing her?

Just wondering..tee hee.

answers
1. i have no idea but i would like to be a country music singer
2. yes she is didn't you see her MTV show, SNL
3.NO
4. yes and it was great. now maybe she gets the clue

lukethebandgeek · 01-06-2005, 09:10 PM

Marching bands.

There's a halftime that has talent, and entertains.

Bobaphat · 01-07-2005, 01:06 PM

Does anyone know where I could find the whole performance online? I've only seen that one clip of the last 30seconds or so that everyone seems to have. I will say that that little bit did sound awful, but I would like to get a feel for how bad the whole performance was :-)

World's King · 01-07-2005, 01:24 PM

Your best bet is to stop paying attention to them and they will go away.

/me goes back to listening to The Who

choskins · 01-07-2005, 07:20 PM

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s3i6880

K-Wise · 01-07-2005, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobaphat

Does anyone know where I could find the whole performance online? I've only seen that one clip of the last 30seconds or so that everyone seems to have. I will say that that little bit did sound awful, but I would like to get a feel for how bad the whole performance was :-)

I don't think you really wanna put yourself through the WHOLE performance buddy. It may take your life

Asta!!

OFKU0 · 01-08-2005, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by choskins

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s3i6880

Now that's funny. Actually in Barbra Striesands case, they added some nose since there was so little talent to begin with.

cockmonger · 01-10-2005, 08:20 AM

musicians don't make money off cds...they make money off touring...it's been that way since the crooked ass RIAA was established.

loonatic8her · 01-12-2005, 08:08 AM

I actually was doing something in the Kitchen when the halftime show came on and I head it but didnt see it... I noticed that is was terrible and was thinking to myself that maybe someone else was singing before Ashlee came on... then I looked and it was her.... The Boos were well deserved cause she sucked... I wish they had done an after halftime interview with her like they do the Coaches to see how badly she thought she sucked.... On a sadd note though... she is only 19 and it probably devestated her... well nevermind she sucks and she ought to know she does... maybe she could start a new career.... in PORN where sucking is a good thing.!

Jesus Malverde · 01-13-2005, 04:30 PM

She sounded really, really, really bad. Again.

Whatever. It sucks for her that she got booed, but that was the worst "singing" I had ever heard. As for ABC, what the motherFUCK were they thinking putting those three tools on the Halftime show? What football fan wants to hear that shit? No little 12 year old girls were watching USC-Oklahoma on their own free will. Cater to the REAL audience, for god sakes.

If I was running the halftime show, it would have been Ozzy, Metallica, or Korn. And everyone would have cheered, even if Ozzy forgot all the words.

01-04-2005, 08:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
cockmonger Insane	Orange Bowl Half-Time show After watching the Orange Bowl Half-time Show...i was just wondering a few things. 1. Why do all the hot girls in the world gravitate towards Country music singers 2. Is Ashley really singing that badly? 3. Would she be ANYWHERE without jessica? 4. HOLY SHIT! Are they REALLY booooing her? Just wondering..tee hee. __________________ Lovely party Geoffery, but theres a turd in the punch bowl. -George Carlin

01-04-2005, 11:36 PM	#3 (permalink)
MacGuyver You're going to have to trust me! Location: Massachusetts	She should just stop bullshitting her way through a career, and just sit back and ride her sister's payroll. __________________ We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit. ---Aristotle Deeds, not words, shall speak [for] me. ---John Fletcher

01-05-2005, 08:40 AM	#5 (permalink)
Tralls Crazy	The booing was sad and hilarious at the same time. It is funny that the sound was messed up...she can't catch a break! Imagine if the game had been in Philly. they boo all the halftime entertainment if they are the least bit sucky...or if the Eagles are losing at halftime. __________________ "I pledge my grievance to the flag" - Pearl Jam

01-05-2005, 09:56 AM	#7 (permalink)
choskins Psycho Location: Greenville, SC	She makes me wanna... puke. __________________ "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." - Sigmund Freud

01-05-2005, 03:41 PM	#11 (permalink)
K-Wise It's All About The Ass!! Location: In a pool of mayonnaise!!	I just saw it(Pops had it tivo'd). That was absolutely painful to watch. God that was just aweful. The sound guys fucked up big time too. Everyone sounded terrible. But Ashlee would have sounded terrible regardless but now she has another fuckin excuse "The mics weren't working I had to really strain my voice to try and sing, and I was out of breath." I can see it now she's gonna blame somebody. She looked like a jackass too. I mean I know I'm a guy but who the hell picked out her clothes? And she needs to go back to being a blond the black hair just looks ridiculous on her. Thats gotta be the worst halftime show ever. Asta!! __________________ "I love music and it's my parents fault (closing statement)." - Me..quoting myself...from when I said that...On TFP..thats here...Tilted Forum Project *It ain't goodbye, it's see ya later! I'll miss you guys!* - Asta!!

01-04-2005, 09:22 PM	#2 (permalink)
absorbentishe Boy am I horny today Location: T O L E D O, Toledo!!	I caught just the end of Ashlee, and it was bad, IMO. And the boos, if we were in Europe, that would be okay, but not here! Maybe she should finally realize her 15 minutes have ticked away a long time ago.

01-05-2005, 08:11 AM	#4 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	they both need to stop singing. uugh. thankfully I found the game quite boring and turned it off before halftime so I didn't have to put myself through such torture.. although I might watch a clip of ashley getting booed..

01-05-2005, 10:39 AM	#9 (permalink)
Frosstbyte Winter is Coming Location: The North	That was definitely one of the most pathetic half time shows I have ever seen. I don't like any of them to begin with, but Kelly Clarkson's mic kept cutting out so her lips were moving and no sound came out, the second guy was totally forgetable and Ashlee Simpson was just...unreal. My dad and I were sitting and watching and just couldn't believe that she was actually as bad as she was. As for the booing, hey, I'm all for it. When you go up on stage in public, you put yourself at the mercy of the crowd. If you suck (and she did), that's what happens. I sure as shit would've booed if I was there. Maybe she'll get the message and disappear back to whereever it was she came from. P.S. Take your sister and all the other overproduced people with you.

01-05-2005, 03:44 PM	#12 (permalink)
BlitzkriegKommt Upright Location: Houston	I really wish they'd have left her kisser on the screen to see her reaction. She shouldn't have been surprised by the booing btw.

01-05-2005, 03:47 PM	#13 (permalink)
K-Wise It's All About The Ass!! Location: In a pool of mayonnaise!!	I think I heard them boo Kelly a bit too. Asta!! __________________ "I love music and it's my parents fault (closing statement)." - Me..quoting myself...from when I said that...On TFP..thats here...Tilted Forum Project *It ain't goodbye, it's see ya later! I'll miss you guys!* - Asta!!

01-05-2005, 04:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
Avail Crazy Location: Richmond, VA	Ashlee Simpson was ridiculous. The grunting in the song didn't help either.

01-05-2005, 04:37 PM	#16 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	ok so I watched the clip.. I haven't laughed that hard..since well..since the time she got busted on SNL. Maybe she'll take a hint and quit the business.. maybe she'll drag her sister down too. Maybe if we're all lucky ashley will single-handedly destroy the entire pop genre!! One can dream right?

01-05-2005, 05:35 PM	#18 (permalink)
blitz.fenix Insane Location: Toronto	I for one think Ashlees hot but she should stick to Maxim or Playboy. I laughed so hard at the end of her performance. Ugh.

01-05-2005, 07:51 PM	#20 (permalink)
K-Wise It's All About The Ass!! Location: In a pool of mayonnaise!!	I think 90% of us can sing better than that. William Hung would have gotten more applause than she did. Asta!! __________________ "I love music and it's my parents fault (closing statement)." - Me..quoting myself...from when I said that...On TFP..thats here...Tilted Forum Project *It ain't goodbye, it's see ya later! I'll miss you guys!* - Asta!!

01-05-2005, 08:45 PM	#21 (permalink)
OFKU0 Junk	I've been a professional musician for almost 20 years, have played with people who some of you have probably downloaded, and as much as I try to laugh at something like this, it just makes me angry,....no it makes me sad. When no talents like Ashlee/Jessica Simpson, Lindsey Lohan, Hillary Duff are making millions and can't sing at all and the people producing them are making millions and millions more, I step back, and think of how music has gone to shit. Am I happy Ashlee Simpson got booed? No. The reason is that she shouldn't be there in the first place because she has zero talent. But if booing will get people like her and others out of the mainstream for some real talent then so be it. It's time for MUSICIANS to get recognized for their talents instead of half baked wanna be's taking their spot. I heard Ashlee Simpson had a song on the Billboard charts before she even fucking performed live for the first time. What??? You people have the power. Support talent or put up with sub standard mediocrity. Buy an artist's CD instead of downloading it so that talent can show through and thrive. Downloading only produces shit like Ashlee Simpson because her backers have lots of coin. You want good music? Support those who make it and make life a little easier for us musicians not to mention your ears. What goes around, comes around, and this is the proof. __________________ " In Canada, you can tell the most blatant lie in a calm voice, and people will believe you over someone who's a little passionate about the truth." David Warren, Western Standard. Last edited by OFKU0; 01-05-2005 at 08:49 PM..

01-05-2005, 08:48 PM	#22 (permalink)
K-Wise It's All About The Ass!! Location: In a pool of mayonnaise!!	^ Spoken like a true champion Asta!! __________________ "I love music and it's my parents fault (closing statement)." - Me..quoting myself...from when I said that...On TFP..thats here...Tilted Forum Project *It ain't goodbye, it's see ya later! I'll miss you guys!* - Asta!!

01-05-2005, 09:37 PM	#24 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	what on earth would cause anyone to associate a football halftime show with musicianship? up to the last couple of posts, i had taken this thread as confirmation of the (accidental) wisdom of not watching most sports on television, and not watching the orange bowl in particular. but now i no longer understand it. if you were serious about playing, why would you take a halftime gig? what would you get for having taken it? i mean apart from cash, the only reason to be there. the facetime you might get on tv would be mitigated by shitty sound, crappy conditions, made-for-television timing, drunken nitwits in the crowd in the stadium and at home---at best, you are a wind-up toy trotted out between other elements in the middle of one of the great jokes of american higher education--big time, big money university-level sports (dont get me started....just let this coment lay there). you are filler between commercials, like everything else is. so why not ashlee simpson? it seems all aspects of the "entertainment" deserve each other. say you were to take the gig and play your heart out--well, if playing your heart out did not amount to stringing together a series of cliches, you wouldnt have the gig in the first place. in which case no-one would care if you did play your heart out. the audience at a football game, if they are listening at all, are listening to and for what they already know. IT IS A FOOTBALL GAME. the question of who or what is a "real musician" and who gets to decide that is problematic in many ways---but talking about answers and the problems raised by them would run right off the edge of this thread----which is about the fucking orange bowl halftime show and a performer whose mediocrity is just a little too obvious----- so i'll defer it. the topic will come back up. with straight players around, it always does. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

01-06-2005, 06:50 AM	#26 (permalink)
gboz Crazy	MacGuyver, I think you missed OFKU0's point. He didn't say downloading people like Ashley Simpson would earn them money, he was saying that downloading the bands that you like keeps them from rising up to compete with people like her. __________________ Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. -Berthold Auerbach

01-06-2005, 08:25 AM	#27 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	i dunno---something about ashlee simpson makes me think of citizen kane--the musical career of kane's wife (her name escapes me)....i know a number of mediocrities of towering proportions who continue to function as "artists" as a function of trust funds or patrons. the fact of it no longer surprises or interests me. unless you are doing pop yourself, taking a football halftime gig would be a total waste of time. you have to work without feeling straightjacketed within a number of contraints, from conventional tonality to fixed parts to the 4 minute limit to the prospect of touring as a copy of yourself on record. if your disposition inclines you that way, then fine---it does not interest me, playing that way, but i often enjoy what the folk do who are working within these constraints. and there is no rule anywhere that stipulates that everyone has to play the same thing, in the same way. there is no consensus on what constitutes musicianship, or even if manipulating sound is self-contained as an activity (or if it links to visual art, for example, and how) one thing for sure: if you are not working in a straight form, taking a tv gig would do you no good--not at a football game at least. imagine, for example, a great flamenco guitarist playing the fucking orange bowl. it would be a travesty. the situation would be horrific--the scale of it totally out of whack. and no-one-----and i mean no-one---would be listening. not really. i work in a particular form of music--maybe it is on the basis of long engagement with "experimental" music that i have little sympathy with arguments against downloading, for example. unless you are doing a style that already has mass acceptance, the recordings are basically little more than commercials for performances and it makes little difference from this viewpoint whether people buy cds or download. many of the folk i know who play in this area work at extraordinary levels of virtuosity, but none of them sit around thinking about standards of "musicianship"--where i run into it most often is in conversations about music i have with my brother, who plays bluegrass. for him, this category operates--for me, it means nothing. playing does not refer to itself--it is a means to get to and work from within a particular set of states, and to communicate something of/about/from within these states. where you can get to is in significant measure a function of your control over the instrument--but here too, control is not one thing, there is no coherent standard for understanding it. there are only rules and standards particular to forms which you might take to be binding because you play within that form. btw--i havent done the marching band thing. i am a pianist. while i might find the idea of being wheeled about on a platform playing a grand piano in the context of a marching band performance to be kinda funny--a very liberace moment----i expect that the folk who had to lift the piano onto the platform and then wheel it around would quickly find the joke wearing thin. it is never fun to play if the tech folk hate you. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 01-06-2005 at 08:28 AM..

01-06-2005, 09:10 PM	#31 (permalink)
lukethebandgeek Chicks dig the Saxaphone Location: Nowheresville OH	Marching bands. There's a halftime that has talent, and entertains. __________________ Yes, band camp is all it's cracked up to be. So I like Chrono... So what?

01-07-2005, 01:06 PM	#32 (permalink)
Bobaphat whoopity doo Location: Seattle	Does anyone know where I could find the whole performance online? I've only seen that one clip of the last 30seconds or so that everyone seems to have. I will say that that little bit did sound awful, but I would like to get a feel for how bad the whole performance was :-) __________________ --size matters not-- yoda

01-07-2005, 01:24 PM	#33 (permalink)
World's King Here Location: Denver City Denver	Your best bet is to stop paying attention to them and they will go away. /me goes back to listening to The Who __________________ heavy is the head that wears the crown

01-07-2005, 07:20 PM	#34 (permalink)
choskins Psycho Location: Greenville, SC	http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s3i6880 __________________ "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." - Sigmund Freud

01-10-2005, 08:20 AM	#37 (permalink)
cockmonger Insane	musicians don't make money off cds...they make money off touring...it's been that way since the crooked ass RIAA was established. __________________ Lovely party Geoffery, but theres a turd in the punch bowl. -George Carlin

01-12-2005, 08:08 AM	#38 (permalink)
loonatic8her Crazy Location: Greater Atlanta, Ga.	I actually was doing something in the Kitchen when the halftime show came on and I head it but didnt see it... I noticed that is was terrible and was thinking to myself that maybe someone else was singing before Ashlee came on... then I looked and it was her.... The Boos were well deserved cause she sucked... I wish they had done an after halftime interview with her like they do the Coaches to see how badly she thought she sucked.... On a sadd note though... she is only 19 and it probably devestated her... well nevermind she sucks and she ought to know she does... maybe she could start a new career.... in PORN where sucking is a good thing.! __________________ The Loonatic Did you get rid of all the voices in your head? Do you now miss them and the things they said?

01-13-2005, 04:30 PM	#39 (permalink)
Jesus Malverde Psycho Location: Sinaloa, Mexico	She sounded really, really, really bad. Again. Whatever. It sucks for her that she got booed, but that was the worst "singing" I had ever heard. As for ABC, what the motherFUCK were they thinking putting those three tools on the Halftime show? What football fan wants to hear that shit? No little 12 year old girls were watching USC-Oklahoma on their own free will. Cater to the REAL audience, for god sakes. If I was running the halftime show, it would have been Ozzy, Metallica, or Korn. And everyone would have cheered, even if Ozzy forgot all the words. __________________ ...I'm that cat by the bar toasting to the good life...