Rihanna was beaten black and blue and choked into semi consciousness: and Chris Brown wont do a single day inside for it... in your view has the justice system protected her adequately?

Since when is limited anecdotal reporting any more real than research and statistics?

Turn a blind eye if you wish, but try not to explain this away as completely justified or all men's fault:
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Men Shouldn't Be Overlooked as Victims of Partner Violence -- Arehart-Treichel 42 (15): 31 -- Psychiatr News

An interesting excerpt:

There is a difference between a woman slapping a man in the face to a man punching a woman in the head - and unfortunately those stats you quote fail utterly to take account of that reality BG

In my opinion it is simply PC propoganda

I sincerely hope you're joking. So women's violence against men only takes the form of slapping in the face, and men's violence against women is always punching in the head.

Are you basing your perceptions of reality on the sum of what you've seen in TV and in movies?

I can't take you seriously.

Yes, of course there is a difference. You just stated the difference: slapping vs. punching. Just like there's a difference between a woman slapping a man in the face vs. beating upon a man (with or without an object) who does nothing but either take it or try passively to stop it. That is real. Think about it. I don't make these things up.

Try clicking the link I posted.

Do you honestly think the "injuries" men suffer were all from slaps in the face? ...women's primary form of assault? (Sorry, but that's laughable.)

Certainly has. Was the justice system supposed to be there before the act was committed? How does that work? Minority Report anyone? Brown is forbidden to be in close proximity, and Brown is now able to serve as an example and help others learn from his mistake rather than rotting in prison and becoming angry at "the man" and going down a random path. It's not a difficult concept.

The justice system is supposed to punish crime. Any young woman who is the victim of violence will come away from this thinking "there is no point reporting this, because the American justice system wont give the guy a sentence, wont protect me... he'll be out the day after the court case, and ready to take reprisals against me for daring to report him"

I will give you some foundation to stand on that women and men do have a hard time reporting some instances of assault. It's not an uncommon practice, but this case is an exception. Brown has to watch what he does or he *will* end up in prison. It's not like he got off with nothing. He has to lose his pride as he scrubs graffiti off walls and picks up trash in the street. He has to take monitored piss tests to make sure he's clean. He can't have more than a speeding ticket or will violate the terms of his probation. So basically he's in a small prison without walls.

Certainly, some men will retaliate against a woman for reporting him.. but what difference does it make if the man who will do that goes to prison? He'll only learn new tricks, find more hatred and then carry out the retaliation at a later date. I think it's safe to say that Brown won't be doing any sort of retaliation.

Ive had mates on probation and with community service orders... so I know how serious is it (ie - its a joke)

The next time a woman dares to speak out of turn to Brown, what will stop him exploding again? The memory of a 60 hours community service order? Hardly. He'll be confident with the counsel he can afford he wont have much trouble again, if the woman even dares report him.

I have an idea what might - a 5 year stretch staring at a concrete wall 23 hours a day.

*sigh*

sure unsupervised probation is a joke, but let's not forget how high profile this man is. He is on *supervised* probation which requires drug screens, (most won't even allow alcohol) weekly or monthly visits and other requirements. On top of that his every move will be scrutinized from now on. There are going to be PO's that would love to bust this guy on probation and send him to prison.. that's where he's going if he violates.. you realize that right?

so.. basically, your argument to me is that probation won't stop him and he could easily retaliate against Rhianna because she dared to get him on probation.. and you think that his anger will lessen by sitting and starting at concrete walls for 23 hours a day for 5 years? I can tell you which would piss me off more.

My argument is that he is committed a revolting crime and has not been appropriately punished, because
1 - he was rich
2 - the victim was his partner

my argument is that Rihanna has been denied justice, a dangerous and violent man is at liberty which is a risk to public safety, and an example has been shown to the whole country that the justice system does not take domestic violence seriously.

we're at an impass then. the justice system is set up to allow a person the change to change their ways and become an upstanding citizen.

Putting women on a pedestal and treating them as objects in which we must protect because they are helpless and pure and unable to do harm is bullshit and it's creepy.

If it wasn't for them being famous and Rihanna having every woman's rights leader in her corner including Oprah she probably wouldn't have been willing to testify against him and the charges would have been dropped and she probably would have went back to him. To say he got off easy because he's rich is nonsense. The only reason they pursued it as much as they did is because it angered the public and they pressured(in a good way) Rihanna into doing the right thing and testifying against him which she ultimately didn't have to do.

You have to remember, Brown is very young. He's 19 years old. He'd never been in trouble before. Years of probation and tons of community service isn't getting off easy. It's also not life ruining either like 5 years of prison would have been. You may think probation is a walk in the park because your friends did it, but guess what, your friends didn't have a video camera on them 18 hours a day and every little thing they did recorded. Every Paparazzi shot of Chris Brown is going to be seen by his PO who's just waiting to toss his ass in prison.

I'm not saying domestic abuse is acceptable but women get away with more violence because A) Men are less likely to report abuse and B) Men don't even have to touch a woman for them to bring charges against them. This however is not relevant to the Rihanna case. I don't know the cause of the assault. I did see the picture and I'm sure that no matter what happened she didn't deserve that.

i'd rather watch the tennis...oh wait, this is the tennis...

waiting for SF to serve, down a break point, gucci looking to close out the match

It isnt a game mate.

Society sets the standards by which it itself is judged.

If you want a justice system which thinks a physically powerful and vigorous young man beating and choking a 120 lbs girls, choking her until she loses consciousness, punching her repeatedly in the face and smashing her head into a car window until both her eyes her swelld up and she cannot see... if you think such an individual doesnt deserve 1 single day in jail... then I congratualte all citizens of the USA, because you have what you wish for. You have the justice system you desire.

The rest of the world shall feel free to pass judgment upon you for this.

i seriously think you need to re-evaluate your ideals in line with normalcy. had you been a legislator, you'd have locked up half the countries prisons so minor misdemeanours. You'd clog up the justice system with frivilous hearings that justice would be delayed, if not denied.

i just feel that you need to realise that your moral high ground with regards to this is...well..crap. why? because

1) you yourself have been involved in a stouche where you beat up someone who was a lot weaker than you.

2) you beat up and exagerate this evil menacing and dangerouos young hooligan, when its a case that should have been heard between 2 individuals in a local magistrates court or US equivelant. there no need to send his ass to prison for a quarter or half his life.

no one said this was a game. its not...i think you misunderstood my sarcstic comment. it was meant to denote a two match slanging match between yourself and gucci. seriously dude, lighten up.

I have never in my life struck a woman, so you have no grounds to compare me to the likes of Brown.

violent tendancies blur the confines of gender. i think i do have a right

we weren't in the car so we don't know what went on, but if a woman wants to act like a man, and hit them they deserve to get hit like one.

sorry i'd have to disagree strongly here.

mike tyson was attacked by robin givens (his ex wife), but he didnt have the right to smack her like he'd smack a man.

i dont see your logic here..actually i dont see logic at all.

well wat would you do if a woman starts beating the shit out of you, stand there please rihanna got what she deserved

i'll tell you what to not do - knock her the fuck out

nobody asked that you just stand there - thats absurd. but you certainly dont knock her face into the car. thats not self defence anymore.

could you please explain to me how she 'got what she deserved'?

well supposedly she took off her stilettos and began beating him in the head while he was driving, i don't know about you but i wouldn't let any female hit me with that shit. she started it so she got what she needed.

first she 'got what she deserved', now your saying she 'got what she needed'.

could you explain the difference between a want and a need? and how did she 'need' a beating? and how did this beating help rihanna?

made her more than a 1 hit wonder. She's been catapulted up to Whitney Houston fame now.

Not that I'm a big fan of Rihanna but she had several hits other then Umbrella. Just saying.

As for the "she got what she deserved" conversation. I was attacked by a crazy theatre chick once with a nalgene bottle full of water. She smacked me as hard as she could in the temple with it. I went down and she hit me again. I stopped her the third time, took the bottle, and said "hope that was fun".

She got fired. I got respect.

No matter the situation it's just classy to keep yourself in check. Chris Brown fucked up, that's it; pretty simple. His career is over, he made the choice.

If I have a bad temper and have been in some fights in my life thats one thing

I have never hit a woman, I have never threatened a woman with violence, I feel that is next to impossible that I ever would.

I freely admit that I have done things in my life that I could have been in trouble for, but that is NOT the same thing as some criminal hooligan beating up a 120 lbs girl. Brown should be seeing some grey days for what he has done... I think about 3 to 5 of them.