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Strange Famous · 02-21-2009, 11:04 AM

Presumably even if this guy doesnt do time, his career is 100% over now.

Which is fair enough and if things are what the seem to be not the least of what he deserves.... but he should be entitled to a fair trial and face the judgment that is handed down from that. Already Jay Z is leaking death threats to him into the press.

Is it really acceptable that this level of reporting is allowed before a (probably) court case?

In the UK it wouldnt be and details of the alleged crime would not be published in the media until after the case is heard (as as not to prejudice the case)... freedom of information is important but I think this is another time when there are sensible reasons to limit it at least in the short term.

Glory's Sun · 02-21-2009, 12:09 PM

I saw the leaked pic and if Brown did that shit.. I hope he gets his fair turn of play soon..

don't be so quick on the career over thing.. we've seen people charged with child rape (R. Kelley) and people charged with shootings, drugs etc etc etc go on to a lengthy career.

So really, all he has to do is keep his PR low for a little while then come back out with some hit that features a squeeky clean star and he'll be right back where he is/was.

Manic_Skafe · 02-21-2009, 12:42 PM

I think much of this is gossip and has been blown well out of proportion - I wouldn't even begin to post some of things I've read and heard about this entire fiasco but I doubt much of the truth of the matter has come to light.

In any case - there's nothing wrong with poking a little fun at it all:

And I'm pretty sure his career is far from done. The squeaky clean guy always ends up a bit dirty and everyone loves a comeback story. Not to mention the fact that his fan base consists mostly of rabid 14 year olds.

Strange Famous · 02-21-2009, 12:49 PM

R Kelly is maybe comparable.

But shootings and drug charges can often give people more credibility. People seem to respect Shyne more now than they did before for example...

And to be honest, yeah - if he did beat up Rihanna as seems to be the case, then he should get at least 5 or 6 years worth of grey days: and serve the whole fucking lot too, no parole or serving half of it on license. And I'm sure Jay Z or someone from the record company can afford to pay someone in jail to give him a taste of his own medicine also.

SSJTWIZTA · 02-21-2009, 01:59 PM

i thought this sort of thing was accepted in the rap community.

at least that what i get from a good deal of the lyrics.

Manic_Skafe · 02-21-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SSJTWIZTA

blah blah

Yup.

JumpinJesus · 02-21-2009, 02:18 PM

They'll use this as a marketing ploy to sell the newest line of bruising make-up from l'oreal.

You know, look like your boyfriend just beat the holy hell out of you, just like Rihanna!

The shelves at Walgreens will be empty.

Bear Cub · 02-21-2009, 04:22 PM

I'm just waiting for his name to catch on as a catch phrase.

"I just Chris Browned that hoe!"

"He just Chris Browned the living hell out of that guy!"

SSJTWIZTA · 02-21-2009, 04:55 PM

i think ill Chris Brown my dick tonight.

Strange Famous · 02-21-2009, 05:05 PM

Dont see that its much to joke about.

dd3953 · 02-21-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SSJTWIZTA

i thought this sort of thing was accepted in the rap community.

at least that what i get from a good deal of the lyrics.

What type of rap do you listen to?
I've listened to a great deal of rap in my time, and while respecting a woman who represents herself as a hoe/slut/cum-bucket is not encouraged, never once have I felt beating/hitting a woman was.

Plan9 · 02-21-2009, 09:29 PM

We could debate rap music for DAYS...

dd3953 · 02-21-2009, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Manic_Skafe

Yup.

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Originally Posted by SSJTWIZTA

i thought this sort of thing was accepted in the rap community.

at least that what i get from a good deal of the lyrics.

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Originally Posted by Crompsin

We could debate rap music for DAYS...

yeah we could. i don't really want to debate it, i want to know what type of rap ssjtwizta is listening to, that's all.

Manic_Skafe · 02-21-2009, 11:59 PM

My post was more in reference to the fact that none of this has anything to do with rap music - Chris Brown isn't a rapper. He sings pop music.

But ya know, it's all urban anyway.

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

Dont see that its much to joke about.

I know you have a special aversion to woman beating but having your personal life made fun of is what being famous is all about.

dlish · 02-22-2009, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Manic_Skafe

My post was more in reference to the fact that none of this has anything to do with rap music - Chris Brown isn't a rapper. He sings pop music.

But ya know, it's all urban anyway.

I know you have a special aversion to woman beating but having your personal life made fun of is what being famous is all about.

thanks manic. was wondering when someone was going to mention that chris brown isnt a rapper. rap isnt sung only by black men.

SF, it seems strange that you think that a fit of rage can land someone in jail for 5-6 years. dont get me wrong, im totally against any form of domestic violence, but you seem to think that someone losing 5-6 years of their life for this is sufficient punishment. i totally disagree. thats almost 10% of someones full life span. lets be real here. rapists and murderers get away with less than that many times!

lets not crucify him because he's famous. and certainly not before his case is heard.

Strange Famous · 02-22-2009, 05:36 AM

Pretty doubtful its the first time though. With people who beat up women it hardly ever is.

I dont pre judge him, but if he is guilty he is scum.

dlish · 02-22-2009, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

Pretty doubtful its the first time though. With people who beat up women it hardly ever is.

I dont pre judge him, but if he is guilty he is scum.

ha!
"its pretty doubtful its the first time though.....i dont prejudge him"

do you see the contradiction here? or is it just me?

i'd put it another way...

if he did beat his girlfriend up, he's scum.

Glory's Sun · 02-22-2009, 10:24 AM

yeah... I don't know how the whole rap thing came into this..

real hip-hop would never condone these actions, and as mentioned before..Chris Brown is about as pop as Craig David..so it's apples and oranges..

I've heard that Rhianna was crazy..so there's no telling what happened.. If it was just and argument..then..she didn't deserve it..but (and I'm not saying that anything would make it ok) until we hear both sides of the story there's really nothing to see here.

QuasiMondo · 02-22-2009, 10:27 AM

Domestic violence is not exclusive to hip hop (see: Turner, Ike; Minelli, Liza; and Myers, Brett)

Jay-Z isn't making death threats to Chris Brown. He's already had his troubles over being accused of stabbing a producer.

Chris Brown never had a career to begin with. He was only good for two or three albums before he gets passed on by some other baby-faced crooner. The music industry is littered with them.

Xerxys · 02-22-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Crompsin

We could debate rap music for DAYS...

LOL

>>LINK<<

Glory's Sun · 02-22-2009, 12:29 PM

-+-{Important TFP Staff Message}-+-
OK this thread has nothing to do with a certain genre of music. It's sole purpose is to discuss an incident that occurred between two music personnel. Let's keep the 'rap is crap' crap for another thread that can honestly debate the sides of it and not in this thread.

Strange Famous · 02-22-2009, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by QuasiMondo

Domestic violence is not exclusive to hip hop (see: Turner, Ike; Minelli, Liza; and Myers, Brett)

Jay-Z isn't making death threats to Chris Brown. He's already had his troubles over being accused of stabbing a producer.

I thought his man stabbed Un and made him take the blame??

But anyway, there were leaks that Jay Z decribed Chris Brown as a "walking dead man"... I dont suppose he needs to do it himself to get something done like that.

Beating up a popular and adored (by some people anyway) r&b singer isnt exactly a good thing to do for your health in any case.

dd3953 · 02-22-2009, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

Beating up a popular and adored (by some people anyway) r&b singer isnt exactly a good thing to do for your health in any case.

Nope, I have to agree with you there. I was told that he did not get arrested for hitting her in the first place, it had something to do with criminal threats. Did she file charges are something? And why does everyone think he beat her up? Is it possible someone else did? And if she's crazy, what if she did it to herself?

Strange Famous · 02-23-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by dd3953

Nope, I have to agree with you there. I was told that he did not get arrested for hitting her in the first place, it had something to do with criminal threats. Did she file charges are something? And why does everyone think he beat her up? Is it possible someone else did? And if she's crazy, what if she did it to herself?

Right

Or maybe she walked into a door?

Fell down the stairs?

Did you see her face btw?

dlish · 02-23-2009, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

Right

Or maybe she walked into a door?

Fell down the stairs?

Did you see her face btw?

maybe he accidentally elbowed her in the head in singing practice in the shower... for all i care, he hasnt been found guilty of anything yet

when he does, ill bag the crap out of the &^%$#

Strange Famous · 02-23-2009, 01:26 PM

Yes, he's innocent until proven guilty - but "she did it to herself"? Come on, you dont take seriously either do you?

dlish · 02-24-2009, 09:16 AM

haha!

actually no..but there are plenty of ways she could have got a black eye and a cut lip.

it doesnt necesarily involved black pop singer boyfriends

dd3953 · 02-24-2009, 12:01 PM

ha, no i was not taking myself seriously. just throwing out other options that came to mind. brown is not the only person that could have beat her up.

and no, i haven't seen any of the photos, maybe i'll google it.

MacGuyver · 02-24-2009, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SSJTWIZTA

i thought this sort of thing was accepted in the rap community.

at least that what i get from a good deal of the lyrics.

I know that you're thinking about 'dirty ghetto style hood action' but another problem, is that CB and Rhianna's music is mostly accessed by suburban kids in parental driven households. That's a contributor to the big stink about this. Well, that and the whole beating his girlfriend bit...

Strange Famous · 02-25-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MacGuyver

I know that you're thinking about 'dirty ghetto style hood action' but another problem, is that CB and Rhianna's music is mostly accessed by suburban kids in parental driven households. That's a contributor to the big stink about this. Well, that and the whole beating his girlfriend bit...

Rihana has a following in Barbados as well doesnt she?

And I know she has done a track with Sizzla

MacGuyver · 02-25-2009, 03:37 PM

Yes, she's actually from Barbados. I'm not sure when she came to the US, but I know she was in High School in Barbados in 2004, and her first album came out in 2005. Her first album had a lot of that 'Carribean flavor' to it, and then she kind of lost that as her next work came along.

Glory's Sun · 02-26-2009, 12:46 PM

I've seen the photo's..

she got beat and her face started to swella 'ella 'ella 'ella...

dlish · 02-26-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr

I've seen the photo's..

she got beat and her face started to swella 'ella 'ella 'ella...

excuse the pun...but you forgot a beat

oh oh oh eh eh eh

dd3953 · 02-27-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dlish

excuse the pun...but you forgot a beat

oh oh oh eh eh eh

WOW. that was just way too funny.

streak_56 · 02-27-2009, 04:02 PM

I think Chris Browns career is over because it is Rihanna. She's an up and coming artist and quite popular. If it was just some random lady, it might've added some creditability. He'll get his coming in due time but as celebrity jailbirds go, he'll serve little time.

Not Right Now · 02-28-2009, 04:39 AM

it's not even the fact that his music career is over. He's lost all of his sponsorships as well. He really put himself away for good.

Glory's Sun · 03-08-2009, 05:50 AM

Looks like Rhianna will testify against him in court

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Singer Rihanna would testify against her boyfriend Chris Brown if called as a witness in his assault case, her lawyer has said.

Donald Etra, who represents the 21-year-old star, said she would be legally required to give evidence if issued with a subpoena.

Brown was this week charged with assault and making criminal threats after an argument with Rihanna.

She has not commented on the case or a photo of her injured, on police advice.

In court this week, Brown's victim was named only as "Robyn F". Rihanna's real name is Robyn Rihanna Fenty.

Brown, 19, was arrested in Los Angeles last month after a row with the singer in a parked car.

One of the charges is of assault likely to cause great bodily injury.

Mr Etra said Rihanna did not want a "no contact" order issued against Brown but that she will report any violations of an order prohibiting him from threatening, harassing or harming her.

He added Rihanna wanted the case to be over with quickly so she could get on with her life and career.

'Outpouring of support'

If convicted, the possible sentence for Brown could range from probation to more than four years in prison.

Brown was arrested on 8 February after the dispute in the Hancock Park area of Los Angeles.

The alleged attack came hours before the Grammy Awards, and both stars cancelled their scheduled appearances there.

Documents unveiled during Brown's court appearance detailed how he and Rihanna got into a fight when she found a text message from another woman.

Brown is then accused of trying to force Rihanna out of their rented Lamborghini sports car and shoving her head against the passenger window and repeatedly punching her in the face.

Rihanna's spokesperson has thanked fans for the "outpouring of support she has received during this difficult time".

The case was presented by police weeks ago but prosecutors asked for more information before deciding what charges to pursue.

Brown has since said he was "sorry and saddened" by the incident and was seeking counselling.

BBC NEWS | Entertainment | Singer Rihanna 'would testify'

Not exactly shocking.. but I'm surprised she didn't have a no contact order placed on him.. that helps the defense out quite a bit.

Manic_Skafe · 03-08-2009, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr

Not exactly shocking.. but I'm surprised she didn't have a no contact order placed on him.. that helps the defense out quite a bit.

Well that and the various reports that they're back together. Rhianna is quite famous but so is he. And while he may have lost many of his endorsements, between the music, movies and concerts - he generates far too much cash to be allowed to fade away.

I don't think many of the people on this forum realize how famous he is.

Glory's Sun · 03-08-2009, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Manic_Skafe

Well that and the various reports that they're back together. Rhianna is quite famous but so is he. And while he may have lost many of his endorsements, between the music, movies and concerts - he generates far too much cash to be allowed to fade away.

I don't think many of the people on this forum realize how famous he is.

They may not.. I'm guessing it's because there probably isn't a huge pop following on here. I guess the old saying that Cash is King really rings true.

MacGuyver · 03-08-2009, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by streak_56

I think Chris Browns career is over because it is Rihanna. She's an up and coming artist and quite popular. If it was just some random lady, it might've added some creditability. He'll get his coming in due time but as celebrity jailbirds go, he'll serve little time.

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Originally Posted by Not Right Now

it's not even the fact that his music career is over. He's lost all of his sponsorships as well. He really put himself away for good.

False. I'll go ahead and take this minute to remind everyone about a man named R. Kelly. I mean, the dude pee'd all over a girl, and people still LOVE him.

02-21-2009, 11:04 AM	#1 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	Chris Brown Presumably even if this guy doesnt do time, his career is 100% over now. Which is fair enough and if things are what the seem to be not the least of what he deserves.... but he should be entitled to a fair trial and face the judgment that is handed down from that. Already Jay Z is leaking death threats to him into the press. Is it really acceptable that this level of reporting is allowed before a (probably) court case? In the UK it wouldnt be and details of the alleged crime would not be published in the media until after the case is heard (as as not to prejudice the case)... freedom of information is important but I think this is another time when there are sensible reasons to limit it at least in the short term. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

02-21-2009, 12:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
Manic_Skafe More Than You Expect Location: Queens	I think much of this is gossip and has been blown well out of proportion - I wouldn't even begin to post some of things I've read and heard about this entire fiasco but I doubt much of the truth of the matter has come to light. In any case - there's nothing wrong with poking a little fun at it all: And I'm pretty sure his career is far from done. The squeaky clean guy always ends up a bit dirty and everyone loves a comeback story. Not to mention the fact that his fan base consists mostly of rabid 14 year olds. __________________ "Porn is a zoo of exotic animals that becomes boring upon ownership." -Nersesian

02-21-2009, 12:49 PM	#4 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	R Kelly is maybe comparable. But shootings and drug charges can often give people more credibility. People seem to respect Shyne more now than they did before for example... And to be honest, yeah - if he did beat up Rihanna as seems to be the case, then he should get at least 5 or 6 years worth of grey days: and serve the whole fucking lot too, no parole or serving half of it on license. And I'm sure Jay Z or someone from the record company can afford to pay someone in jail to give him a taste of his own medicine also. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

02-21-2009, 01:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
SSJTWIZTA Master Thief. Master Criminal. Masturbator. Location: Windiwana	i thought this sort of thing was accepted in the rap community. at least that what i get from a good deal of the lyrics. __________________ First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the communists and I did not speak out because I was not a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for me And there was no one left to speak out for me. -Pastor Martin Niemoller

02-21-2009, 02:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
JumpinJesus Junkie Location: Chicago	They'll use this as a marketing ploy to sell the newest line of bruising make-up from l'oreal. You know, look like your boyfriend just beat the holy hell out of you, just like Rihanna! The shelves at Walgreens will be empty. __________________ "I can normally tell how intelligent a man is by how stupid he thinks I am" - Cormac McCarthy, All The Pretty Horses

02-21-2009, 12:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	I saw the leaked pic and if Brown did that shit.. I hope he gets his fair turn of play soon.. don't be so quick on the career over thing.. we've seen people charged with child rape (R. Kelley) and people charged with shootings, drugs etc etc etc go on to a lengthy career. So really, all he has to do is keep his PR low for a little while then come back out with some hit that features a squeeky clean star and he'll be right back where he is/was.

02-21-2009, 04:22 PM	#8 (permalink)
Bear Cub The Reverend Side Boob Location: Nofe Curolina	I'm just waiting for his name to catch on as a catch phrase. "I just Chris Browned that hoe!" "He just Chris Browned the living hell out of that guy!" __________________ Living in the United Socialist States of America.

02-21-2009, 04:55 PM	#9 (permalink)
SSJTWIZTA Master Thief. Master Criminal. Masturbator. Location: Windiwana	i think ill Chris Brown my dick tonight. __________________ First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the communists and I did not speak out because I was not a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for me And there was no one left to speak out for me. -Pastor Martin Niemoller

02-21-2009, 05:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	Dont see that its much to joke about. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

02-21-2009, 09:29 PM	#12 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	We could debate rap music for DAYS... __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

02-22-2009, 05:36 AM	#16 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	Pretty doubtful its the first time though. With people who beat up women it hardly ever is. I dont pre judge him, but if he is guilty he is scum. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

02-22-2009, 10:24 AM	#18 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	yeah... I don't know how the whole rap thing came into this.. real hip-hop would never condone these actions, and as mentioned before..Chris Brown is about as pop as Craig David..so it's apples and oranges.. I've heard that Rhianna was crazy..so there's no telling what happened.. If it was just and argument..then..she didn't deserve it..but (and I'm not saying that anything would make it ok) until we hear both sides of the story there's really nothing to see here.

02-22-2009, 10:27 AM	#19 (permalink)
QuasiMondo Wise-ass Latino Location: Pretoria (Tshwane), RSA	Domestic violence is not exclusive to hip hop (see: Turner, Ike; Minelli, Liza; and Myers, Brett) Jay-Z isn't making death threats to Chris Brown. He's already had his troubles over being accused of stabbing a producer. Chris Brown never had a career to begin with. He was only good for two or three albums before he gets passed on by some other baby-faced crooner. The music industry is littered with them. __________________ Cameron originally envisioned the Terminator as a small, unremarkable man, giving it the ability to blend in more easily. As a result, his first choice for the part was Lance Henriksen. O. J. Simpson was on the shortlist but Cameron did not think that such a nice guy could be a ruthless killer. -From the Collector's Edition DVD of The Terminator

02-23-2009, 01:26 PM	#26 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	Yes, he's innocent until proven guilty - but "she did it to herself"? Come on, you dont take seriously either do you? __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

02-24-2009, 09:16 AM	#27 (permalink)
dlish Currently sour but formerly Dlishs Super Moderator Location: Australia/UAE	haha! actually no..but there are plenty of ways she could have got a black eye and a cut lip. it doesnt necesarily involved black pop singer boyfriends __________________ An injustice anywhere, is an injustice everywhere I always sign my facebook comments with ()()===========(}. Does that make me gay? - Filthy

02-24-2009, 12:01 PM	#28 (permalink)
dd3953 Psycho: By Choice Location: dd.land	ha, no i was not taking myself seriously. just throwing out other options that came to mind. brown is not the only person that could have beat her up. and no, i haven't seen any of the photos, maybe i'll google it. __________________ [Technically, I'm not possible, I'm made of exceptions. ]

02-25-2009, 03:37 PM	#31 (permalink)
MacGuyver You're going to have to trust me! Location: Massachusetts	Yes, she's actually from Barbados. I'm not sure when she came to the US, but I know she was in High School in Barbados in 2004, and her first album came out in 2005. Her first album had a lot of that 'Carribean flavor' to it, and then she kind of lost that as her next work came along. __________________ We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit. ---Aristotle Deeds, not words, shall speak [for] me. ---John Fletcher

02-26-2009, 12:46 PM	#32 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	I've seen the photo's.. she got beat and her face started to swella 'ella 'ella 'ella...

02-27-2009, 04:02 PM	#35 (permalink)
streak_56 who ever said streaking was a bad thing? Location: Calgary	I think Chris Browns career is over because it is Rihanna. She's an up and coming artist and quite popular. If it was just some random lady, it might've added some creditability. He'll get his coming in due time but as celebrity jailbirds go, he'll serve little time.

02-28-2009, 04:39 AM	#36 (permalink)
Not Right Now Insane Location: Far Away	it's not even the fact that his music career is over. He's lost all of his sponsorships as well. He really put himself away for good. __________________ I only came to dance.