Have a v8? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

zephog · 07-22-2003, 05:53 PM

I have an old '68 porsche 912 targa that I am considering installing a v8. Truly fits under the topic tilted motors? Any comments?

tfin · 07-22-2003, 08:15 PM

What does a 912 look like? Post up some pics. Also wouldn't the fact that it is so old sort of make it a clasic. You might not want to cut in to tit like that. Also would a v-8 fit? Either way, god luck, and keep us poseted.

Stinky Pee · 07-22-2003, 08:17 PM

Anything will fit with patience...I once saw a Mazda Miata with a Chevy 454 under the hood.

Fastest fuckin go cart I've ever seen.

tfin · 07-22-2003, 08:50 PM

Saw one of those on ebay. Looked real cool.

rodgerd · 07-23-2003, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by zephog
I have an old '68 porsche 912 targa that I am considering installing a v8. Truly fits under the topic tilted motors? Any comments?

If that's what I'm thinking of (the 914's little brother), it's worth a fuck of a lot more stock, and will likely appreciate in value kept that way.

If you're looking to butcher something, I'd suggest a more disposable car....

Scrub0 · 07-23-2003, 12:52 AM

I saw a dual supercharged 350 in a Porsche once. (not IRL, just pics on a site)

That was pretty fuckin slick.

castex · 07-23-2003, 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rodgerd
If that's what I'm thinking of (the 914's little brother), it's worth a fuck of a lot more stock, and will likely appreciate in value kept that way.

If you're looking to butcher something, I'd suggest a more disposable car....

No, the 914 was the kid sister of the 916. It's worth barely anything so butcher away if you have one!
The 912 was/is a very early 911.

Why a V8? Doesn't make any sense, and wouldn't sound right IMO. Why not consider fitting a proper, air-cooled flat 6? You could pick one up from, say, a (front-end wrecked) mid '80's 911 carrera. It should just slot in with no problems (a V8 WON'T!!), and with 230+ bhp your flyweight 912 would be an absolute hoot!
If you do this, you might wish to give serious consideration to upgrading the brakes aswell. The wheels, too, could be usefully wider. These cars bite (in the UK English sense of the phrase)! With that much power on standard rims you will slide, and with the engine at the back it could really be a handful if you're not accustomed to the sensation. If you are, however, and have balls of steel - like me, lol - then you could be in for a treat!
Good luck to you.

Mill · 07-23-2003, 06:01 AM

I think he wants to put in an american V8 beacuse it's cheaper, and then there is the wow factor. Why take the parts off a 911 when you can just buy a 911? When you add it all up you will spend the same amount.

Your right though, the 912 with a V8 wouldn't handle very well, even with something like a Rover V8 (that's 60's buick motor over here). This guy has a website about his 912 V8, but there are no pics of info in it yet. http://www.geocities.com/thornking/porsche/index.html

I can't think of a good donar engine. Subaru flat-4? They can put out 300hp with a turbo and intercooler. Maybe the new Renesis rotory from the RX8? It could put out over 300hp with a turbo and only weighs 150 pounds.

What's a good transaxle? I don't know how much power the 5-speed (if you have the upgrade over the 4-speed) can handle.

In the end I think a stripped down 912, with it's original motor warmed over would make a great Auto X car.

Mill · 07-23-2003, 06:11 AM

This is cool: http://www.renegadehybrids.com/911.htm It's a company selling all the conversion stuff to go V8. They include what extra has to be done to a 912. Looks expensive, wirh lots of custom work.

Does the 912 use the 901 type transaxle? They say its good to 300hp.

This guy is selling his for $16,500. Info at the bottom of this page.
http://www.912registry.org/tech/engineswaps.htm

zephog · 07-23-2003, 11:18 AM

http://www.geocities.com/bustacasey/porschev.htm here is an example of 912 v8. I bought my kit from Renegadehybrids. I have a 901 trans but not sure about how long its gonna last w/ my chevy 4bolt L82 w/ chevy fastburn alum heads, edelbrock airgap intake ~425hp, already saving up for a 915 trans. Welded turbo flares all around w/ RS front and rear bumpers. Not really butchering the car per se, all modifications to accommodate the v-8 really apply to converting to a flat six w/ front mounted oil cooler. If I can figure it out, I will post some pictures

Here is an extreme example of a 914 v8 conversion. Little bit further than I wanna go w/ my 912...

http://www.v8914.com/

phatman · 07-23-2003, 11:48 AM

the v8 swap was a fairly common one for a while. i havent actually dealt with any of the kits out there, but i have seen it done before. my only advice to you is plan out everything far ahead and dont get impatient. ive seen many projects, including some of my own, that get shelved because impatience caused a major fuck up.

oh yeah and let me rip some wheels with that piece when your done.

FastShark85 · 07-23-2003, 05:00 PM

Wouldn't it be easier (and cheaper) to pick up a 928 instead of putting a V8 into the 912?

WarWagon · 07-23-2003, 06:46 PM

I say go for it! Guys are putting v8's in rear engine cars all the time. Just take a look at v8 Archie www.v8archie.com, birthplace of the SBC Fiero.

zephog · 07-24-2003, 11:06 AM

The kit manufacturer estimates its about 40hrs worth of work, take a look at some of these links, these are not hack jobs, FastShark85, the do sell a kit for a 928, I think there's one on renegade's site w/ an LT1 v8...

Ramega · 07-24-2003, 11:14 AM

I've been told you can put a V8 in an MG B-GT. That would be interesting.

FastShark85 · 07-24-2003, 11:17 AM

zephog:

I've seen an LT1 in an earlier model 928. He ran sub 14's at the 1/4 and beat every pre-87 model there, including mine. The best I could do was 14.5 with crappy reaction times.

The guy with the LT1 went with that motor after the stock motor was neglected and ruined. A cheaper, faster replacement, but he can't find a mechanic to help him tune it now because of its hybrid set up.

Then again, he has a manual trans and I've got the auto. 928s as a rule are built for high speed cruising. Their gearing isn't conducive to off-the-line quick starts, but they'll crush most cars from 60-100 and top out over 150. The 87 models and up top out over 170.

They're quite good cars, even after so many years.

Mill · 07-24-2003, 11:30 AM

V8's in any sports car used to be a real passion of mine. My favorites are Sunbeam Tigers and TVR 3000M's/Taimars with 302 Fords replaceing the 6's.

I've seen tons of conversions. Common ones are TR6's, Healeys, MGB's, 240/260Z's, and lately Miata's. Strangest one was a MG Midget with a 350 in it.

Most turn out to be backyard conversions that never really get done right. It takes time and money to get it right.

I switched to 4x4's and replaced the 302 in my early bronco to a 5.0L with fuel injection. Not a direct swap but it is way better than original.

rodgerd · 07-24-2003, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by castex
Why a V8? Doesn't make any sense, and wouldn't sound right IMO. Why not consider fitting a proper, air-cooled flat 6? You could pick one up from, say, a (front-end wrecked) mid '80's 911 carrera. It should just slot in with no problems (a V8 WON'T!!), and with 230+ bhp your flyweight 912 would be an absolute hoot!

Even cheaper would be a Subaru engine - the water cooling would be a little more awkward to jiggle in, but a flat-four turbo from a Legacy can be had very cheap.

bleet · 07-24-2003, 11:35 AM

any crazy swap like this, you better follow thru with.

and..post pics

zephog · 07-24-2003, 06:25 PM

well I just finished installing bigger brakes, new rotors, pads, MC, and s.s. lines, next system up is cooling, then install engine and trans, then finally wire the whole dam thing.

Mill · 07-24-2003, 08:23 PM

I'm trying to picture the big flares with the early style front.

Is this the RS front your talking about?

Do the turbo flares look like this unfinished RSR

The RS is one of my favorite versions of the 911 (except for the 996) I just was never crazy over the tail spoiler. To many S's with them tacked on.

zephog · 07-25-2003, 03:57 AM

Yup that's the RS front, the panel in the bumper is used to vent air to the radiator, mine will have some type of ss mesh. The front turbo flares are about the same size of the white car in your post but the rear is not so large. I had to do some tweaking on the front flares. I will try and post photo when I get home

Nyenrodian · 07-25-2003, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by castex
The 912 was/is a very early 911.

No, it looks like 911 but only has a tiny 4 cylinder engine. That's why they're virtually worthless.

07-22-2003, 05:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
zephog Upright Location: Silicon Valley	Have a v8? I have an old '68 porsche 912 targa that I am considering installing a v8. Truly fits under the topic tilted motors? Any comments?

07-22-2003, 08:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
tfin Insane Location: At the Casino	What does a 912 look like? Post up some pics. Also wouldn't the fact that it is so old sort of make it a clasic. You might not want to cut in to tit like that. Also would a v-8 fit? Either way, god luck, and keep us poseted. __________________ Did I mention that I can't spell or type? Oh yeah, check out my car www.cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=275916

07-22-2003, 08:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
Stinky Pee Crazy Location: In My Pants	Anything will fit with patience...I once saw a Mazda Miata with a Chevy 454 under the hood. Fastest fuckin go cart I've ever seen. __________________ Eat my fuck.

07-22-2003, 08:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
tfin Insane Location: At the Casino	Saw one of those on ebay. Looked real cool. __________________ Did I mention that I can't spell or type? Oh yeah, check out my car www.cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=275916

07-23-2003, 06:11 AM	#9 (permalink)
Mill Psycho Location: Center of the Universe	This is cool: http://www.renegadehybrids.com/911.htm It's a company selling all the conversion stuff to go V8. They include what extra has to be done to a 912. Looks expensive, wirh lots of custom work. Does the 912 use the 901 type transaxle? They say its good to 300hp. This guy is selling his for $16,500. Info at the bottom of this page. http://www.912registry.org/tech/engineswaps.htm Last edited by Mill; 07-23-2003 at 06:15 AM..

07-23-2003, 12:52 AM	#6 (permalink)
Scrub0 Insane	I saw a dual supercharged 350 in a Porsche once. (not IRL, just pics on a site) That was pretty fuckin slick.

07-23-2003, 06:01 AM	#8 (permalink)
Mill Psycho Location: Center of the Universe	I think he wants to put in an american V8 beacuse it's cheaper, and then there is the wow factor. Why take the parts off a 911 when you can just buy a 911? When you add it all up you will spend the same amount. Your right though, the 912 with a V8 wouldn't handle very well, even with something like a Rover V8 (that's 60's buick motor over here). This guy has a website about his 912 V8, but there are no pics of info in it yet. http://www.geocities.com/thornking/porsche/index.html I can't think of a good donar engine. Subaru flat-4? They can put out 300hp with a turbo and intercooler. Maybe the new Renesis rotory from the RX8? It could put out over 300hp with a turbo and only weighs 150 pounds. What's a good transaxle? I don't know how much power the 5-speed (if you have the upgrade over the 4-speed) can handle. In the end I think a stripped down 912, with it's original motor warmed over would make a great Auto X car.

07-23-2003, 11:18 AM	#10 (permalink)
zephog Upright Location: Silicon Valley	http://www.geocities.com/bustacasey/porschev.htm here is an example of 912 v8. I bought my kit from Renegadehybrids. I have a 901 trans but not sure about how long its gonna last w/ my chevy 4bolt L82 w/ chevy fastburn alum heads, edelbrock airgap intake ~425hp, already saving up for a 915 trans. Welded turbo flares all around w/ RS front and rear bumpers. Not really butchering the car per se, all modifications to accommodate the v-8 really apply to converting to a flat six w/ front mounted oil cooler. If I can figure it out, I will post some pictures Here is an extreme example of a 914 v8 conversion. Little bit further than I wanna go w/ my 912... http://www.v8914.com/ __________________ Displace Islander..dam its cold in the mainland Last edited by zephog; 07-23-2003 at 12:42 PM..

07-23-2003, 11:48 AM	#11 (permalink)
phatman Upright Location: Philadelphia	the v8 swap was a fairly common one for a while. i havent actually dealt with any of the kits out there, but i have seen it done before. my only advice to you is plan out everything far ahead and dont get impatient. ive seen many projects, including some of my own, that get shelved because impatience caused a major fuck up. oh yeah and let me rip some wheels with that piece when your done. __________________ You dont get this fat from eating fucking ramen.

07-23-2003, 05:00 PM	#12 (permalink)
FastShark85 Psycho Location: In the garage, under the car.	Wouldn't it be easier (and cheaper) to pick up a 928 instead of putting a V8 into the 912?

07-23-2003, 06:46 PM	#13 (permalink)
WarWagon Loser	I say go for it! Guys are putting v8's in rear engine cars all the time. Just take a look at v8 Archie www.v8archie.com, birthplace of the SBC Fiero.

07-24-2003, 11:06 AM	#14 (permalink)
zephog Upright Location: Silicon Valley	The kit manufacturer estimates its about 40hrs worth of work, take a look at some of these links, these are not hack jobs, FastShark85, the do sell a kit for a 928, I think there's one on renegade's site w/ an LT1 v8... __________________ Displace Islander..dam its cold in the mainland

07-24-2003, 11:14 AM	#15 (permalink)
Ramega Crazy	I've been told you can put a V8 in an MG B-GT. That would be interesting.

07-24-2003, 11:17 AM	#16 (permalink)
FastShark85 Psycho Location: In the garage, under the car.	zephog: I've seen an LT1 in an earlier model 928. He ran sub 14's at the 1/4 and beat every pre-87 model there, including mine. The best I could do was 14.5 with crappy reaction times. The guy with the LT1 went with that motor after the stock motor was neglected and ruined. A cheaper, faster replacement, but he can't find a mechanic to help him tune it now because of its hybrid set up. Then again, he has a manual trans and I've got the auto. 928s as a rule are built for high speed cruising. Their gearing isn't conducive to off-the-line quick starts, but they'll crush most cars from 60-100 and top out over 150. The 87 models and up top out over 170. They're quite good cars, even after so many years.

07-24-2003, 11:30 AM	#17 (permalink)
Mill Psycho Location: Center of the Universe	V8's in any sports car used to be a real passion of mine. My favorites are Sunbeam Tigers and TVR 3000M's/Taimars with 302 Fords replaceing the 6's. I've seen tons of conversions. Common ones are TR6's, Healeys, MGB's, 240/260Z's, and lately Miata's. Strangest one was a MG Midget with a 350 in it. Most turn out to be backyard conversions that never really get done right. It takes time and money to get it right. I switched to 4x4's and replaced the 302 in my early bronco to a 5.0L with fuel injection. Not a direct swap but it is way better than original.

07-24-2003, 11:35 AM	#19 (permalink)
bleet Upright Location: portland, oregon	any crazy swap like this, you better follow thru with. and..post pics

07-24-2003, 06:25 PM	#20 (permalink)
zephog Upright Location: Silicon Valley	well I just finished installing bigger brakes, new rotors, pads, MC, and s.s. lines, next system up is cooling, then install engine and trans, then finally wire the whole dam thing. __________________ Displace Islander..dam its cold in the mainland

07-24-2003, 08:23 PM	#21 (permalink)
Mill Psycho Location: Center of the Universe	I'm trying to picture the big flares with the early style front. Is this the RS front your talking about? Do the turbo flares look like this unfinished RSR The RS is one of my favorite versions of the 911 (except for the 996) I just was never crazy over the tail spoiler. To many S's with them tacked on.

07-25-2003, 03:57 AM	#22 (permalink)
zephog Upright Location: Silicon Valley	Yup that's the RS front, the panel in the bumper is used to vent air to the radiator, mine will have some type of ss mesh. The front turbo flares are about the same size of the white car in your post but the rear is not so large. I had to do some tweaking on the front flares. I will try and post photo when I get home Last edited by zephog; 07-25-2003 at 04:00 AM..