'05 VW Phaeton R60 - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Spyder_Venom · 07-01-2003, 12:46 PM

Volkswagen is testing a 600-hp Bentley-powered Phaeton, and sources tell us they are getting ready to launch the most powerful “people's car” in its history.

Bernd Pischetsrieder has rubber‑stamped plans for the Phaeton R, which could see it going head‑to‑head with the future Mercedes 612-hp S63 AMG. Volkswagen’s secret weapon will be under the hood: the Bentley Continental GT’s twin‑turbo 6.0‑liter W12 engine.

The W12 produces 552 hp in the two‑door Bentley. However, Volkswagen is hoping to liberate even more grunt in a bid to match the 6.0‑liter V-12 S‑Class, which could run the 0‑60 sprint in less than five seconds.

Nothing is yet official, but sources at VW’s Braunschweig engine development center hint that 600 hp is easily accessible through a moderate increase in turbocharger boost pressure.

This muscular prototype – spied undergoing driveline tests in the Alps – is testing the W12. Giant air ducts are needed up front to increase air flow to the intercooler and its associated plumbing.

The four‑wheel‑drive Phaeton will be the company's flagship racing model. The hot Phaeton will be badged R60. Expect a price tag of over $150,000 when and if the R60 reaches dealerships in the U.S.

... I wouldn't mind one but there is a lot of shit that I would buy for 150k before this car.

thadon · 07-01-2003, 02:13 PM

a $150K 600hp VW .... LOL ... ROFL

Spyder_Venom · 07-01-2003, 06:40 PM

You do have to admit, it is BAD ASS!

Nyenrodian · 07-01-2003, 07:23 PM

If they don't pull the plug on the Phaeton project before that. The thing doesn't sell.

MSD · 07-01-2003, 08:20 PM

The front bumper doesn't look right so much lower than the sides and back.

madsenj37 · 07-02-2003, 01:11 AM

Get rid of the VW emblem and I am interested. I liek teh concept of it a lot.

acpower · 07-02-2003, 02:05 AM

that's rad... i'm not digging the holes on the front of the hood though.. and it needs side skirts and a rear bumper

bollocks · 07-02-2003, 12:07 PM

i can imagine VW will sort out the exterior styling after they fine tune the 600brake engine, VW aren't dumb.

bundy · 07-03-2003, 12:38 AM

wow.
thats rather impressive.
but for that price.
i´d pass.

m0j0 · 07-03-2003, 02:57 AM

150k for what looks to me like a riced out Passat?

clonmult · 07-03-2003, 05:09 AM

When will the Skoda Octavia version be coming out for half the price?

Thats the thing with the whole VW range - you get the same basic chassic, engine and overall engineering in Skodas, Seats, VW and Audis. You can get a Skoda Octavia RS with pretty much the same performance as the Audi TT for 15k less.

jorgemendoza · 07-04-2003, 11:45 PM

The big question in who would pay 150k for a VW. Wouldn't this be better off as an Audi RS8. Personally I think the Phaeton cuts too much into VW's Audi A6 and even A8 (the low end A8s) buisness already.

DEI37 · 07-05-2003, 05:14 AM

Actually, the way I see it, the Phaeton is going to cut into the A8/A8L line in a big way. VW is touting the Phaeton as a 7-series and S-Class level of car. Looking at the features, options, and interior, I'd say that's about right. But, trying to undercut BMW (the industry benchmark) and Mercedes-Benz by up to $50,000? Not in this lifetime. It's weird, that at least from what I've seen, it's got more equipment than the A8L does, yet costs the same. What gives here? Plus, there's the whole VW build quality thing. These cars are going to be in the shop more than they're on the road at the rate VW is going.
I was hoping the Touareg/Phaeton would mark a turning point in that area for the company. We've got a Touareg that wouldn't start upon delivery...to the customer, and it's been in the shop for the last week now, for what problems, I don't know. Doesn't bode well, though.

WarWagon · 07-05-2003, 07:28 AM

Nobody who can afford to spend 150k on a car is going to buy a VW, regardless of what motor they slap inside it.

I agree, the motor would be much better suited in an S8's engine bay. And despite the slight power advantage, I'm willing to bet it'll still get walked by an E55.

Snakeyes · 07-05-2003, 10:20 AM

whoever brenda priddy is, she's a fag

nitrorclover · 07-05-2003, 04:57 PM

Holy shit! There are a lot of 2 door sports cars that are slower than that 4 door VW!

Atomic Pinkie · 07-07-2003, 12:29 AM

i dislike VW haters who don't give reasons why

MadMartigan · 08-03-2003, 07:05 AM

I own 3 VW's a '71 super beetle for the ole lady, and 2 jetta's for the kids so i kinda keep up with VW stuff.

My works keeps me running quite a bit, one day i was on the interstate here in Florida, and i was in a hurry so i was speeding a little and in the 30 minutes i passed 3 of these phaetons going the same direction as me. I spent a lettle time at each one checking it out because it was the largest VW i had ever seen. All that could be seen of the drivers was their head. I thought that the styling was clean and sharp but only 1 of them had a name badge on it. Once i got home i did an internet search and found out that they will be here in the US soon enough. All in all if someone would offer me one i would take it for sure.

World's King · 08-03-2003, 12:44 PM

That's a Passat with a different front bumper.

Fuck that.

MSD · 08-03-2003, 11:13 PM

That bumper reminds me of the new Z

acpower · 08-04-2003, 01:29 AM

oh yeah very ugly rims too

Tickford · 08-04-2003, 01:35 AM

That looks farkn unreal...

tfpfreak · 08-04-2003, 06:17 AM

Id still drive it

Scorps · 08-04-2003, 11:09 AM

Very nice just don't like the intake trainange on the hood.

mystic511 · 08-05-2003, 12:11 AM

Are you sure that's the right picture of the Phaeton? I thought the Phaeton was suppose to be VW's break-in to the exotic sports car class? 600hp with a 150k pricetag? Sounds more like an exotic sports car then a luxury car.

Atomic Pinkie · 08-05-2003, 12:18 AM

Its a super luxury car

And for all you idiots who go OH LOOK A PASSAT....do research.

Peryn · 08-05-2003, 10:28 AM

hmm.... Take a look at its price tag and its competitors. It will never sell looking like that. The market its aimed at, its need to look much more luxorious and lose that "sporty" front end. it looks way out of place on a 150k luxory mobile.

Scorps · 08-05-2003, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mystic511
Are you sure that's the right picture of the Phaeton? I thought the Phaeton was suppose to be VW's break-in to the exotic sports car class? 600hp with a 150k pricetag? Sounds more like an exotic sports car then a luxury car.

Now that would be awesome

I would get pulled over every day with 600HP.

Scorps · 08-05-2003, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Atomic Pinkie
Its a super luxury car

And for all you idiots who go OH LOOK A PASSAT....do research.

This is what your thinking of man.

2002 Volkswagen Phaeton W12-1

2002 Volkswagen Phaeton W12-2

But should have made this

2001 Volkswagen W12 Coupe Concept-1

2001 Volkswagen W12 Coupe Concept-2

madsenj37 · 08-08-2003, 12:03 AM

The reason I dont have a vw has always been b/c of front wheel drive. Now its b/c I dont have enough money.

TM875 · 08-09-2003, 06:26 PM

Now, for 150K, you could go with a Mercedes C32 or S600 and pump up the engine. Why would anyone put that kind of cash into a Passat? Hell, even an Audi SR6 has the possibility of gettiing up to 600+ hp with the right work.

Scorps · 08-10-2003, 09:30 AM

How does a W12 work?

drawerfixer · 08-10-2003, 06:55 PM

Good question. I'm interested also.

bla · 08-11-2003, 06:00 AM

From what i know they used two of Volkswagen's narrow angle V6 engines (vr6), which have a 'V' of 15 degrees and placing them together in a 'V' of 72 degrees thus making it unusually compact for an engine of this size.

drawerfixer · 08-11-2003, 11:13 AM

I know little about cars, but I like to try, so please don't consider me stupid, yet.

But from what I understood from HowStuffWorks the crank just... 'connects' to the transmission and then down to the driving axle, in a very simplified way of speaking. I'm a little confused on how it is actually connected, but that's a question for another day.

Anyway, how do two seperate cranks work? Do they have gears on the end that connect to the same transmission 'rod' somehow?

drawerfixer · 08-11-2003, 11:15 PM

Ah, found the answer on my own. Here's some help, if anyone else is as dumb as me. Info Near Bottom

I guess they all connect to the same crank, in one very complicated way. I thought it was more of an actual W shape.

Phew! Glad I'm not a VW mechanic!

Scorps · 08-12-2003, 07:51 AM

Man thats crazy how they hook them up together.

I want one of them engines just made by GM.

Spyder_Venom · 08-12-2003, 08:21 AM

That looks like it has a dry sump on it

07-01-2003, 12:46 PM	#1 (permalink)
Spyder_Venom Psycho Location: MN	'05 VW Phaeton R60 Volkswagen is testing a 600-hp Bentley-powered Phaeton, and sources tell us they are getting ready to launch the most powerful “people's car” in its history. Bernd Pischetsrieder has rubber‑stamped plans for the Phaeton R, which could see it going head‑to‑head with the future Mercedes 612-hp S63 AMG. Volkswagen’s secret weapon will be under the hood: the Bentley Continental GT’s twin‑turbo 6.0‑liter W12 engine. The W12 produces 552 hp in the two‑door Bentley. However, Volkswagen is hoping to liberate even more grunt in a bid to match the 6.0‑liter V-12 S‑Class, which could run the 0‑60 sprint in less than five seconds. Nothing is yet official, but sources at VW’s Braunschweig engine development center hint that 600 hp is easily accessible through a moderate increase in turbocharger boost pressure. This muscular prototype – spied undergoing driveline tests in the Alps – is testing the W12. Giant air ducts are needed up front to increase air flow to the intercooler and its associated plumbing. The four‑wheel‑drive Phaeton will be the company's flagship racing model. The hot Phaeton will be badged R60. Expect a price tag of over $150,000 when and if the R60 reaches dealerships in the U.S. ... I wouldn't mind one but there is a lot of shit that I would buy for 150k before this car. __________________ The local track whore

07-01-2003, 06:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
Spyder_Venom Psycho Location: MN	You do have to admit, it is BAD ASS! __________________ The local track whore

07-02-2003, 01:11 AM	#6 (permalink)
madsenj37 Still searching... Location: NorCal For Life	Get rid of the VW emblem and I am interested. I liek teh concept of it a lot. __________________ "Only two things are certain: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not certain about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

07-02-2003, 12:07 PM	#8 (permalink)
bollocks Insane Location: Leeds, UK	i can imagine VW will sort out the exterior styling after they fine tune the 600brake engine, VW aren't dumb. __________________ Why's Snoop Dog carry an umbrella? Fo' Drizzle

07-03-2003, 12:38 AM	#9 (permalink)
bundy . Location: Tokyo	wow. thats rather impressive. but for that price. i´d pass. __________________ Ohayo!!!

07-01-2003, 02:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
thadon Cruisin thru life Location: Alpharetta, GA	a $150K 600hp VW .... LOL ... ROFL

07-01-2003, 07:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
Nyenrodian Tilted	If they don't pull the plug on the Phaeton project before that. The thing doesn't sell.

07-01-2003, 08:20 PM	#5 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	The front bumper doesn't look right so much lower than the sides and back.

07-02-2003, 02:05 AM	#7 (permalink)
acpower Crazy	that's rad... i'm not digging the holes on the front of the hood though.. and it needs side skirts and a rear bumper

07-03-2003, 02:57 AM	#10 (permalink)
m0j0 Tilted Location: California	150k for what looks to me like a riced out Passat?

07-03-2003, 05:09 AM	#11 (permalink)
clonmult Crazy Location: Wherever I lay my hind quarters	When will the Skoda Octavia version be coming out for half the price? Thats the thing with the whole VW range - you get the same basic chassic, engine and overall engineering in Skodas, Seats, VW and Audis. You can get a Skoda Octavia RS with pretty much the same performance as the Audi TT for 15k less.

07-04-2003, 11:45 PM	#12 (permalink)
jorgemendoza Upright	The big question in who would pay 150k for a VW. Wouldn't this be better off as an Audi RS8. Personally I think the Phaeton cuts too much into VW's Audi A6 and even A8 (the low end A8s) buisness already.

07-05-2003, 05:14 AM	#13 (permalink)
DEI37 Go faster! Location: Wisconsin	Actually, the way I see it, the Phaeton is going to cut into the A8/A8L line in a big way. VW is touting the Phaeton as a 7-series and S-Class level of car. Looking at the features, options, and interior, I'd say that's about right. But, trying to undercut BMW (the industry benchmark) and Mercedes-Benz by up to $50,000? Not in this lifetime. It's weird, that at least from what I've seen, it's got more equipment than the A8L does, yet costs the same. What gives here? Plus, there's the whole VW build quality thing. These cars are going to be in the shop more than they're on the road at the rate VW is going. I was hoping the Touareg/Phaeton would mark a turning point in that area for the company. We've got a Touareg that wouldn't start upon delivery...to the customer, and it's been in the shop for the last week now, for what problems, I don't know. Doesn't bode well, though. __________________ Generally speaking, if you were to get what you really deserve, you might be unpleasantly surprised.

07-05-2003, 07:28 AM	#14 (permalink)
WarWagon Loser	Nobody who can afford to spend 150k on a car is going to buy a VW, regardless of what motor they slap inside it. I agree, the motor would be much better suited in an S8's engine bay. And despite the slight power advantage, I'm willing to bet it'll still get walked by an E55.

07-05-2003, 10:20 AM	#15 (permalink)
Snakeyes Loser Location: Toronto	whoever brenda priddy is, she's a fag

08-04-2003, 01:35 AM	#22 (permalink)
Tickford Insane Location: Australia	That looks farkn unreal... __________________ Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist ought to have his head examined. Samuel Goldwyn

08-04-2003, 06:17 AM	#23 (permalink)
tfpfreak Crazy Location: MS	Id still drive it __________________ Never grow a wishbone where your backbone ought to be. ~ Clementine Paddleford

07-05-2003, 04:57 PM	#16 (permalink)
nitrorclover Crazy	Holy shit! There are a lot of 2 door sports cars that are slower than that 4 door VW!

07-07-2003, 12:29 AM	#17 (permalink)
Atomic Pinkie Addict Location: Chicago	i dislike VW haters who don't give reasons why __________________ Where dem bitches at?

08-03-2003, 07:05 AM	#18 (permalink)
MadMartigan Crazy Location: Florida	I own 3 VW's a '71 super beetle for the ole lady, and 2 jetta's for the kids so i kinda keep up with VW stuff. My works keeps me running quite a bit, one day i was on the interstate here in Florida, and i was in a hurry so i was speeding a little and in the 30 minutes i passed 3 of these phaetons going the same direction as me. I spent a lettle time at each one checking it out because it was the largest VW i had ever seen. All that could be seen of the drivers was their head. I thought that the styling was clean and sharp but only 1 of them had a name badge on it. Once i got home i did an internet search and found out that they will be here in the US soon enough. All in all if someone would offer me one i would take it for sure. __________________ Nice to be here, thanks for the invite

08-03-2003, 12:44 PM	#19 (permalink)
World's King Here Location: Denver City Denver	That's a Passat with a different front bumper. Fuck that. __________________ heavy is the head that wears the crown

08-03-2003, 11:13 PM	#20 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	That bumper reminds me of the new Z

08-04-2003, 01:29 AM	#21 (permalink)
acpower Crazy	oh yeah very ugly rims too

08-04-2003, 11:09 AM	#24 (permalink)
Scorps Lost!! Location: Kingston, Ontario	Very nice just don't like the intake trainange on the hood.

08-05-2003, 12:11 AM	#25 (permalink)
mystic511 Tilted	Are you sure that's the right picture of the Phaeton? I thought the Phaeton was suppose to be VW's break-in to the exotic sports car class? 600hp with a 150k pricetag? Sounds more like an exotic sports car then a luxury car. __________________ One day, I will become Virtually Infamous.

08-05-2003, 12:18 AM	#26 (permalink)
Atomic Pinkie Addict Location: Chicago	Its a super luxury car And for all you idiots who go OH LOOK A PASSAT....do research. __________________ Where dem bitches at?

08-05-2003, 10:28 AM	#27 (permalink)
Peryn Junkie Location: San Diego, CA.	hmm.... Take a look at its price tag and its competitors. It will never sell looking like that. The market its aimed at, its need to look much more luxorious and lose that "sporty" front end. it looks way out of place on a 150k luxory mobile. __________________ Dont cry kid, It's not your fault you suck.

08-08-2003, 12:03 AM	#30 (permalink)
madsenj37 Still searching... Location: NorCal For Life	The reason I dont have a vw has always been b/c of front wheel drive. Now its b/c I dont have enough money. __________________ "Only two things are certain: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not certain about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

08-09-2003, 06:26 PM	#31 (permalink)
TM875 Addict Location: Amish-land, PA	Now, for 150K, you could go with a Mercedes C32 or S600 and pump up the engine. Why would anyone put that kind of cash into a Passat? Hell, even an Audi SR6 has the possibility of gettiing up to 600+ hp with the right work. __________________ "I've made only one mistake in my life. But I made it over and over and over. That was saying 'yes' when I meant 'no'. Forgive me."

08-10-2003, 09:30 AM	#32 (permalink)
Scorps Lost!! Location: Kingston, Ontario	How does a W12 work? __________________ A.K.A. PainTrain

08-10-2003, 06:55 PM	#33 (permalink)
drawerfixer Stonerific Location: Colorado	Good question. I'm interested also. __________________ They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

08-11-2003, 06:00 AM	#34 (permalink)
bla Upright	From what i know they used two of Volkswagen's narrow angle V6 engines (vr6), which have a 'V' of 15 degrees and placing them together in a 'V' of 72 degrees thus making it unusually compact for an engine of this size. __________________ [roses are red, violets are blue, I am schizophrenic and so am I]

08-11-2003, 11:13 AM	#35 (permalink)
drawerfixer Stonerific Location: Colorado	I know little about cars, but I like to try, so please don't consider me stupid, yet. But from what I understood from HowStuffWorks the crank just... 'connects' to the transmission and then down to the driving axle, in a very simplified way of speaking. I'm a little confused on how it is actually connected, but that's a question for another day. Anyway, how do two seperate cranks work? Do they have gears on the end that connect to the same transmission 'rod' somehow? __________________ They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

08-11-2003, 11:15 PM	#36 (permalink)
drawerfixer Stonerific Location: Colorado	Ah, found the answer on my own. Here's some help, if anyone else is as dumb as me. Info Near Bottom I guess they all connect to the same crank, in one very complicated way. I thought it was more of an actual W shape. Phew! Glad I'm not a VW mechanic! __________________ They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

08-12-2003, 07:51 AM	#37 (permalink)
Scorps Lost!! Location: Kingston, Ontario	Man thats crazy how they hook them up together. I want one of them engines just made by GM. __________________ A.K.A. PainTrain

08-12-2003, 08:21 AM	#38 (permalink)
Spyder_Venom Psycho Location: MN	That looks like it has a dry sump on it __________________ The local track whore