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Cynthetiq · 04-19-2008, 04:46 AM

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Counterfeiters zoom in on fake Ferraris
Counterfeiters zoom in on fake Ferraris
Story Highlights
Police smashed a counterfeit Ferrari ring selling fakes for $30,000
Ferrari owner, Cesare Costantini was impressed by the fakes' authenticity
Increasingly sophisticated counterfeiting is fuelled by consumer demand

Consumers would not buy knocked off goods if they knew it supported crime
By Mairi Mackay
For CNN
LONDON, England (CNN) -- If a vintage Ferrari for $30,000 sounds too good to be true, that's probably because it is.

But when a counterfeit classic is so good that even the experts are impressed, some buyers just can't resist the object of their desire at a knockdown price.

When Italian police broke up a Ferrari counterfeiting business earlier this year, they confiscated 21 cars, 14 of which had already been sold to classic car enthusiasts.

For a fraction of the $130,000 a real 328 GTB costs, buyers could get their hands on a copy that looks authentic down to the owner's documents.

Even Ferrari owner, Cesare Costantini was impressed: "Well done, really well done. From one meter, two meters, you cannot even see the difference. The same tail lights, the same fenders, also the exhaust is the same. Very well done," he said of the fakes.

The market for fake luxury goods is nothing new -- knock-off Louis Vuitton bags, Rolex watches -- but the Italian Ferrari ring is an example of just how sophisticated the industry has become in the last few years.

Advances in computer know-how -- the ability to "reverse engineer" almost any product -- mean that as soon as a luxury product develops a cachet there will be a band of forgers with the technology and resources to copy it. What's more, the copy will be so good that most people won't be able to tell the difference.

The highly talented rogue mechanics behind the fake Ferrari ring shaped slick "Enzo red" exteriors from fiberglass and fake car parts. They could hammer the body of a Toyota or a Pontiac to resemble a dream car.

But, of course, as with all fakes, the vital missing ingredient is quality. "Outside is the same, but inside, this is very different," nods Costantini. "The real difference is the engine, the frame, the suspension, brakes. The engine is the biggest difference."

Buying fakes is more socially acceptable than ever before and consumer demand has fuelled the growth of counterfeiting from something like a cottage industry to a global business.

EU Customs statistics show a 1,000 percent increase in counterfeit goods in Europe between 1998 and 2004.

Twenty years ago, the world's leading luxury brands routinely rationalized not doing anything about fakes. How could people spending $100 on a fake handbag put a dent in profits when they would obviously never be able to afford $15,000 to buy the real thing.

Today, companies realize that fake-buyers are not necessarily those with low incomes or the unemployed. They are also acutely aware of the damage rip offs can do to the exclusivity -- and profits -- of their luxury brands.

In a market that is tipped to grow to $2 trillion by 2010, there are as many different approaches to fighting counterfeiting as there are brands. Louis Vuitton, one of the most commonly copied brands, has been stitching holograms into the lining of its bags and other products for a number of years.

Exclusive knitwear label, Loro Piana, attaches an anti-counterfeiting seal to each of their cashmere and vicuña shawls. An identifying serial number engraved onto the metal ring, which has the brand's logo on it, allows the yarn in the shawl to be traced back to the batch it originally came from.

But as the figures quite clearly show, counterfeiting continues to flourish despite the best efforts of these companies, which have also included successful intellectual property lawsuits and joint anti-counterfeiting raids with Asian governments.

Timothy P. Trainer, Intellectual Property attorney and co-founder of anti-counterfeiting NGO, the Authentics Foundation, thinks public attitudes would change if they knew what the money they spend on fakes was being used for.

"Consumers who believe that buying counterfeits is socially acceptable should consider whether they condone the use of their hard earned money to fund child labor, the international sex trade, human trafficking and other heinous illegal activity," he told CNN.

The flood of dollars being generated by the counterfeiting trade has acted as a magnet for organized crime. Huge syndicates that might once have smuggled drugs are attracted by the easy money and relatively light penalties.

"Counterfeiters are not paying tax, they are almost certainly not adhering to environmental laws or laws relating to the treatment of workers," Trainer added.

Last month, the Authentics Foundation held the Global Anti-Counterfeit summit in Brussels. In his opening speech, President of the European Commission, Jose Manuel Barroso echoed Trainer's sentiments: "All too often consumers knowingly buy faked high street products, thinking that no harm will come from such venial behaviour. As long as they think they are getting a good deal the trade in fake goods will continue," he said.

The Authentics Foundation has plans for a public awareness campaign, although currently nothing concrete is in motion.

So, for now, Ferrari will have to rely on the fact there is something about a real sports car that shoddy engines cannot reproduce -- the unmistakable Ferrari growl.

woah.... I didn't think it be possible. But I guess in today's age wherein manufacturing things is not as hard as it used to be tied with the acceptability of buying fakes, seems like "if there's a market, people will sell it."

I'd be interested in seeing this kind of "fake" up close.

Shauk · 04-19-2008, 05:50 AM

I live like 6 blocks from a ferarri dealership. Too much sexy behind that glass. I always have to slow my stroll and gawk a little as I walk by it to appreciate what i'll never have.

MexicanOnABike · 04-19-2008, 06:14 AM

i bet you every day people like us wouldn't be able to tell the difference unless we actually saw one real and one fake side by side.

Ilow · 04-19-2008, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MexicanOnABike

i bet you every day people like us wouldn't be able to tell the difference unless we actually saw one real and one fake side by side.

What's more, most everyday people wouldn't care! I would take a good fake, as long as it still had some great power...

Daniel_ · 04-19-2008, 09:19 AM

Call it a kit car or a replica and it's legal, and most people would be totally cool with it.

I know I would.

silent_jay · 04-19-2008, 10:19 AM

We used to have the Fiero Ferrari 328 around town, looked awful, but not as bad as this Fiero F-40 copy

And the real deal:

One of these things is not like the other.....Lights are wrong, vents are wrong, the tires look like cheese cutters, just an all around horrible job on the outside.

pan6467 · 04-19-2008, 10:23 AM

Back in the day people use to buy Fieros and kit them....

silent_jay · 04-19-2008, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by pan6467

Back in the day people use to buy Fieros and kit them....

That's what the F-40 is in the first pic I posted, saw a lot of 328's back in the day kitted from Fiero's, some were alright, some not so good, all depended on the person building it. I'd take one if it had the look and power.

Not that pan will actually see my posts

BadNick · 04-19-2008, 10:59 AM

I got my wife a very exact knockoff of a Prada bag and she loves it ...sorry, wouldn't spend for the real thing.

I would also be happy with a Ferrari knockoff if it was mechanically up to par and the fit and finish were excellent.

Here's a real one at our local Ferrari dealer ...not only can I not walk by this place without lingering, I fear that one night they will find me there sleepwalking. They also have other cars available once in a while, like that Jag XJ220

Shauk · 04-19-2008, 11:57 AM

god that silver one is sexy, it's like my tiburon's exotic cousin.

Daniel_ · 04-19-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Shauk

god that silver one is sexy, it's like my tiburon's exotic cousin.

It's a Jagua XJ 220 - so called because it would run at 220 mph.

It's from the era of REAL supercars, the 1980's.

It's a great creature.

MexicanOnABike · 04-19-2008, 01:12 PM

awesome cars yes. that fake f40 isn't that bad. as long as it's better than a car that costs the same as far as quality, then it's worth it.

ford for 30,000$ or fake ferarri for the same price? i'll take the fake!

Cynthetiq · 04-19-2008, 01:56 PM

I find that people with lots of fake things = fake people.

bodypainter · 04-19-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel_

It's a Jagua XJ 220 - so called because it would run at 220 mph.

It's from the era of REAL supercars, the 1980's.

It's a great creature.

I saw this one today at a car show.

Ilow · 04-19-2008, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bodypainter

I saw this one today at a car show.

I have always thought that they looked gorgeous except for the wheels and tires that looked slapped on...

04-19-2008, 06:14 AM	#3 (permalink)
MexicanOnABike Location: up north	i bet you every day people like us wouldn't be able to tell the difference unless we actually saw one real and one fake side by side. __________________ - Movie Reviews - Ratings-

04-19-2008, 09:19 AM	#5 (permalink)
Daniel_ Evil Priest: The Devil Made Me Do It! Location: Southern England	Call it a kit car or a replica and it's legal, and most people would be totally cool with it. I know I would. __________________ ╔═════════════════════════════════════════╗ Overhead, the Albatross hangs motionless upon the air, And deep beneath the rolling waves, In labyrinths of Coral Caves, The Echo of a distant time Comes willowing across the sand; And everthing is Green and Submarine ╚═════════════════════════════════════════╝

04-19-2008, 10:19 AM	#6 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	We used to have the Fiero Ferrari 328 around town, looked awful, but not as bad as this Fiero F-40 copy And the real deal: One of these things is not like the other.....Lights are wrong, vents are wrong, the tires look like cheese cutters, just an all around horrible job on the outside. __________________ Absence makes the heart grow fonder Last edited by silent_jay; 04-19-2008 at 10:21 AM..

04-19-2008, 10:23 AM	#7 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	Back in the day people use to buy Fieros and kit them.... __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

04-19-2008, 01:12 PM	#12 (permalink)
MexicanOnABike Location: up north	awesome cars yes. that fake f40 isn't that bad. as long as it's better than a car that costs the same as far as quality, then it's worth it. ford for 30,000$ or fake ferarri for the same price? i'll take the fake! __________________ - Movie Reviews - Ratings-

04-19-2008, 05:50 AM	#2 (permalink)
Shauk Confused Adult Location: Spokane, WA	I live like 6 blocks from a ferarri dealership. Too much sexy behind that glass. I always have to slow my stroll and gawk a little as I walk by it to appreciate what i'll never have.

04-19-2008, 10:59 AM	#9 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	I got my wife a very exact knockoff of a Prada bag and she loves it ...sorry, wouldn't spend for the real thing. I would also be happy with a Ferrari knockoff if it was mechanically up to par and the fit and finish were excellent. Here's a real one at our local Ferrari dealer ...not only can I not walk by this place without lingering, I fear that one night they will find me there sleepwalking. They also have other cars available once in a while, like that Jag XJ220

04-19-2008, 11:57 AM	#10 (permalink)
Shauk Confused Adult Location: Spokane, WA	god that silver one is sexy, it's like my tiburon's exotic cousin.

04-19-2008, 01:56 PM	#13 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	I find that people with lots of fake things = fake people. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!