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Cynthetiq · 12-11-2007, 02:42 PM

I visited a friend this past weekend in Philly. He gave me a tour of this very incredible estate which included things like General Meade's desk and other memoribilia.

He had a surprise for me in the garage.

A 1935 Packard which has been sitting on blocks since the last registration in 1947. A 1938 (I think, someone else may be able to state what year it is from) Rolls Royce limousine which was owned by Rita Hayworth given to her by the Shah.

After I picked up my jaw after he opened the garage door. I went to the car go get my camera.

Banshee · 12-11-2007, 02:45 PM

HOLY CRAP!!!!! That rocks!!! I'd love to have that in my garage!

Charlatan · 12-11-2007, 04:28 PM

I find that kind of sad... beauty like that shouldn't be locked away.

Redjake · 12-11-2007, 05:20 PM

I simply CANNOT BELIEVE how good condition the interiors are in.......that is just flat out incredible..........

I bet that would fetch in the hundreds of thousands of dollars......I hope he has them insured for that amount......

BadNick · 12-11-2007, 08:36 PM

Wow. That had to be a exciting tour. Not only are they great, rare cars, but the provenance of that Rolls relating it to Rita Hayward and the Shah is fantastic.

Is that estate accessible to the general public? If it's not confidential, where is it?

Craven Morehead · 12-11-2007, 09:02 PM

Incredible. I expected to see mildew all over the inside. The wood looks brand new. So do the leather seats. I'm surprised the tires are also holding air so well. I'm sure these cars would bring a huge amount as is but restored, wow, can't even imagine. Restoration would cost $10s of thousands, though. At least.

LoganSnake · 12-11-2007, 09:10 PM

How much are they worth anyway?

Fotzlid · 12-11-2007, 09:56 PM

if they were both fully restored, the Packard would probably be good for about $90k. the Rolls could get close to $200k if it could be proved Hayworth owned it.

QuasiMondo · 12-12-2007, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan

I find that kind of sad... beauty like that shouldn't be locked away.

I agree. It's cool that they're in such pristine condition, but it sucks that those cars will probably never touch asphalt ever again.

I'm sure they'd score some high points if he cleaned them up and put them on display at a concours show.

The_Jazz · 12-12-2007, 05:53 AM

I wonder what else is in that garage...

LoganSnake · 12-12-2007, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Fotzlid

if they were both fully restored, the Packard would probably be good for about $90k. the Rolls could get close to $200k if it could be proved Hayworth owned it.

Why so much? Well, Rolls has the brand name going for it, but I've never heard of Packard.

Fotzlid · 12-12-2007, 07:15 AM

Packard was a major nameplate for luxury autos in the 30's and 40's. right up there with Rolls. like most other autos from that era, there arent that many left.

bobby · 12-12-2007, 07:37 AM

spend some money and get these treasures in top condition....!!!!

xoxoxoo

Jinn · 12-12-2007, 08:08 AM

SHOULD. NOT. BE. LOCKED. AWAY.

Amazing cars.

Ilow · 12-12-2007, 08:22 AM

yeah, ditto on the feeling sad thing. If he's not going to restore them he should sell them to someone who will, they are only going to fall into further disrepair.

BadNick · 12-12-2007, 01:52 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if those cars in "as is" condition are worth more than fully restored versions.

Just from watching the latest Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance and other such classy car shows, the unrestored "all original everything" cars are getting as much or more attention than the perfectly restored cars. To many collectors it also seems there is a growing distaste for the overrestored.

Ashton · 12-16-2007, 05:51 PM

The Rolls seems to be a 1948 Silver Wraith

http://www.degarmoltd.com/inventory_...?ContentID=188

Fotzlid · 12-16-2007, 06:20 PM

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A nearly 100-year-old 1911 Oldsmobile Limited 7-Passenger Touring sold for $1.65 million at a recent auction in Hershey, Pa.

The old Olds was one of two vehicles to go for $1.65 million at the auction. The other was a 1929 Dusenberg Model J Double Cowl Phaeton, reportedly one of only three examples built.

The auction, run by RM Auctions, included a number of unrestored vehicles from the Swigart family-a collection that was started by W. Emmert Swigart in the late 1930s. The event marked this first time RM had conducted an auction at Hershey.

Nearly 120 cars were shown at the auction. Other interesting vehicles sold included:

A 1933 Stutz DV32 Dual Cowl Phateon with LeBaron coachwork. Sale price was $797,500.

A 1930 duPont Mode G Le Mans Speedster. It sold for $704,000.

A 1937 Bugatti Type 57C Ventoux coupe, which sold for $528,000.

link

those old cars are worth a lot.

the Olds was unrestored. only thing they put on it were new tires as the originals were still on the rims.

Ashton · 12-16-2007, 08:12 PM

That 1935 Packard Twelve Convertible Sedan is in excellent shape, I found one that sold at auction for $181,500

Lot 192 http://www.rmauctions.com/AuctionRes...SaleCode=AM06#

Here's another restored 35 Packard Twelve

http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z...n/default.aspx

newtx · 12-17-2007, 12:00 PM

That was quite a garage find. It would sure be tough to put a price on a Rolls that once belonged to Rita Hayworth. The interior of the Pacard is perfect to me just the way it is.

Scorps · 12-17-2007, 12:24 PM

Those cars still run?

There is a local guy here that has a Ford Model T that he still drives to the car shows.

DEI37 · 12-17-2007, 04:14 PM

I doubt they run, and that is sad. Having been parked for that long, significant work will likely be needed to ever hear those engines purr again.

Scorps · 12-17-2007, 07:19 PM

Well I know someone who found an old Plymouth satellite that had been stored for 25 years(I think he said 25). Its fired up with new gas and a little shot of quick start. but depends on how it was stored 2.

bobby · 01-30-2011, 06:26 PM

any news on this "barn" find.....update???

xoxoxoo

LazyBoy · 02-01-2011, 08:49 PM

Please encourage TLC to be given

12-11-2007, 02:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	A friend's garage I visited a friend this past weekend in Philly. He gave me a tour of this very incredible estate which included things like General Meade's desk and other memoribilia. He had a surprise for me in the garage. A 1935 Packard which has been sitting on blocks since the last registration in 1947. A 1938 (I think, someone else may be able to state what year it is from) Rolls Royce limousine which was owned by Rita Hayworth given to her by the Shah. After I picked up my jaw after he opened the garage door. I went to the car go get my camera. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

12-11-2007, 04:28 PM	#3 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	I find that kind of sad... beauty like that shouldn't be locked away. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

12-11-2007, 05:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
Redjake I'm a family man - I run a family business. Location: Wilson, NC	I simply CANNOT BELIEVE how good condition the interiors are in.......that is just flat out incredible.......... I bet that would fetch in the hundreds of thousands of dollars......I hope he has them insured for that amount...... __________________ Off the record, on the q.t., and very hush-hush.

12-11-2007, 09:10 PM	#7 (permalink)
LoganSnake We work alone Location: Cake Town	How much are they worth anyway? __________________ Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing that you'll be an idiot in the future. Common sense is knowing that you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques

12-12-2007, 05:53 AM	#10 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	I wonder what else is in that garage... __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

12-11-2007, 02:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
Banshee Tilted Location: Pepperland	HOLY CRAP!!!!! That rocks!!! I'd love to have that in my garage!

12-11-2007, 08:36 PM	#5 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	Wow. That had to be a exciting tour. Not only are they great, rare cars, but the provenance of that Rolls relating it to Rita Hayward and the Shah is fantastic. Is that estate accessible to the general public? If it's not confidential, where is it?

12-11-2007, 09:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
Craven Morehead Custom User Title	Incredible. I expected to see mildew all over the inside. The wood looks brand new. So do the leather seats. I'm surprised the tires are also holding air so well. I'm sure these cars would bring a huge amount as is but restored, wow, can't even imagine. Restoration would cost $10s of thousands, though. At least.

12-11-2007, 09:56 PM	#8 (permalink)
Fotzlid Junkie Location: Greater Boston area	if they were both fully restored, the Packard would probably be good for about $90k. the Rolls could get close to $200k if it could be proved Hayworth owned it.

12-12-2007, 07:15 AM	#12 (permalink)
Fotzlid Junkie Location: Greater Boston area	Packard was a major nameplate for luxury autos in the 30's and 40's. right up there with Rolls. like most other autos from that era, there arent that many left.

12-12-2007, 07:37 AM	#13 (permalink)
bobby Super Moderator Location: 18,000+ posts on TFP #1,2,3,4 and 5,but I'm not counting!	spend some money and get these treasures in top condition....!!!! xoxoxoo __________________ "Life goes on,within you,and...with out you !" xoxoxoo

12-12-2007, 08:08 AM	#14 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	SHOULD. NOT. BE. LOCKED. AWAY. Amazing cars. __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel

12-12-2007, 08:22 AM	#15 (permalink)
Ilow Junkie Location: Pats country	yeah, ditto on the feeling sad thing. If he's not going to restore them he should sell them to someone who will, they are only going to fall into further disrepair. __________________ "Religion is the one area of our discourse in which it is considered noble to pretend to be certain about things no human being could possibly be certain about" --Sam Harris

12-12-2007, 01:52 PM	#16 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	I wouldn't be surprised if those cars in "as is" condition are worth more than fully restored versions. Just from watching the latest Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance and other such classy car shows, the unrestored "all original everything" cars are getting as much or more attention than the perfectly restored cars. To many collectors it also seems there is a growing distaste for the overrestored.

12-16-2007, 05:51 PM	#17 (permalink)
Ashton PORNHOUND Location: California	The Rolls seems to be a 1948 Silver Wraith http://www.degarmoltd.com/inventory_...?ContentID=188

02-01-2011, 08:49 PM	#25 (permalink)
LazyBoy Insane Location: Memphis Area	Please encourage TLC to be given __________________ Life is nothing, everything.....and something in between...

12-16-2007, 08:12 PM	#19 (permalink)
Ashton PORNHOUND Location: California	That 1935 Packard Twelve Convertible Sedan is in excellent shape, I found one that sold at auction for $181,500 Lot 192 http://www.rmauctions.com/AuctionRes...SaleCode=AM06# Here's another restored 35 Packard Twelve http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z...n/default.aspx

12-17-2007, 12:00 PM	#20 (permalink)
newtx Addict	That was quite a garage find. It would sure be tough to put a price on a Rolls that once belonged to Rita Hayworth. The interior of the Pacard is perfect to me just the way it is.

12-17-2007, 12:24 PM	#21 (permalink)
Scorps Lost!! Location: Kingston, Ontario	Those cars still run? There is a local guy here that has a Ford Model T that he still drives to the car shows. __________________ A.K.A. PainTrain

12-17-2007, 04:14 PM	#22 (permalink)
DEI37 Go faster! Location: Wisconsin	I doubt they run, and that is sad. Having been parked for that long, significant work will likely be needed to ever hear those engines purr again. __________________ Generally speaking, if you were to get what you really deserve, you might be unpleasantly surprised.

12-17-2007, 07:19 PM	#23 (permalink)
Scorps Lost!! Location: Kingston, Ontario	Well I know someone who found an old Plymouth satellite that had been stored for 25 years(I think he said 25). Its fired up with new gas and a little shot of quick start. but depends on how it was stored 2. __________________ A.K.A. PainTrain

01-30-2011, 06:26 PM	#24 (permalink)
bobby Super Moderator Location: 18,000+ posts on TFP #1,2,3,4 and 5,but I'm not counting!	any news on this "barn" find.....update??? xoxoxoo __________________ "Life goes on,within you,and...with out you !" xoxoxoo