Rekna

I have a couple questions on consoles.

Which console do you feel is the best and why?

Which consoles are the easiest to mod so they can play burned games?

Which consoles games are the easiest to burn?

I'm considering buying one but not really sure if i want to fork over that much money (and time). But first i'd like to see what people think is the best i'm guessing either PS2 or Xbox. (Both serve as dvd players also right?)

sadistikdreams

Which console do you feel is the best and why?

XBOX- Good games, ergonomically comfortable controller, Hard drive for use to save music and with a modified system to save games, great internet support, downloadable content.

Which consoles are the easiest to mod so they can play burned games?

XBOX and PS2.

Which consoles games are the easiest to burn?

XBOX and PS2.

Bottom line, if you want to save games, save music, and possibly save DVDs, get an XBOX. If you want a larger game library, go with a PS2. If you want to play gameboy games on your system, get a gamecube.

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bltzkriegmcanon

Saying one console is necessarily "better" than any other is crap. Each has a certain, specified purpose that they perform best at.
sadistikdreams' post is correct, I'm just saying that the claim that any system is "best" is just wrong.

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theburner

Depends what you are going to mod it for? I have heard Xbox's make GREAT media centers when modded, especially if you drop a 120GB HDD in there.
If you mod an Xbox, make sure you positively, absolutely, NEVER sign on to Xbox Live with the mod activated. You will be banned.. Not sure if it is IP or Serial number, but you are FUBAR.

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Lasereth

There is no "best" console, but I'll agree that you should look into getting an XBox. It suits everything you need. The PS2 has a much larger gaming library, but everything else points to an XBox for you.

-Lasereth

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cheeterbo

wow, bltzkriegmcanon, i respectfully have to say you are full of crap!

the xbox kicks the shit out of ps2, in every respect. it now outsells the ps2, even with ps2 lowering price.

here are some numbers:



the you can buy a used xbox, and mod it for under $150, and they rock. there hasn't been a game i can't load and play on it.

those piddlyshit ps2 blow chunks. playing any game on them sucks after you play xbox.

however, i would wait until next gen xbox comes out. it will have a 3 -3.5 core in it.

cheeterbo

wow, bltzkriegmcanon, i respectfully have to say you are full of crap!

the xbox kicks the shit out of ps2, in every respect. it now outsells the ps2, even with ps2 lowering price.

here are some numbers:

cpu: xbox 733mhz; ps2 300mhz; gc 405 mhz
graphics processor: xbox 300 mhz; ps2 150 mhz; gc 202.5 mhz
total memory: xbox 64mb; ps2 38mb; gc 43mb
memory bandwidth: xbox 6.4gb/sec; ps2 3.2gb/sec; gc 3.2gb/sec
polygon performance: xbox 150M/sec; ps2 66M/sec; gc 6-12Msec
audio channels: xbox 256; ps2 48; gc 64

plus, xbox has an internal hard drive.

basically, xbox kicks the everliving shit out of both the other consoles in every category, except number of games. but why play shitty looking games when you can play gorgeous ones on the xbox.

then you can buy a used xbox, and mod it for under $150, and they rock. there hasn't been a game i can't load and play on it. i have over 50 games and still have room for more!

those piddlyshit ps2 things blow chunks. playing any game on them sucks after you play xbox.

however, i would wait until next gen xbox comes out. it will have a 3 -3.5 core in it.

bltzkriegmcanon

Sorry, Cheeterbo, but I'm sticking with my statement, saying a certain system is "best" is shit. Each parlays to a particular niche of the gaming market, each has specifically designed hardware to serve it's own particular segment. Saying that any system has enough to qualify it as "best" is simply wrong. It all depends on particularly what you're looking for. If you're looking for a multimedia center that can be "modded" to steal games or fufill other "purposes", and plays games as well, then Xbox serves that purpose. If you want something that has a 1000+ library of games, and can play DVDs but can't do much outside of that, then go with PS2. If you want to focus solely on gaming, and pay a price that reflects a gamer-focused strategy, then go with GC. I say, that there are certain areas that some consoles dominate others in, but none of them stack up enough for any machine to be labeled as best. In fact, in doing that, you do yourself a disservice. There are plenty of great games out there that are platform-exclusive, and being so close-minded as to miss out on those games, just because you particularly think a certain console "blows chunks", denies you the opportunities to experience those games.

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BigGov

The Xbox is a great system, it's easy to mod, has the best graphics of the three big competitors, and has a hard drive which is very handy.

Meanwhile, I look over to my right and see I have twice as many PS2 games than I do Xbox games.

Because I'd rather play GTA months before on my PS2 than wait months to play it on my far superior PC or semi-superior Xbox. Because I'd rather play my shitty looking Gran Turismo than...well...any racing game on the Xbox. Because I'd rather play Metal Gear Solid than any other Xbox-specific "sneak" game. Because I'd rather play that absolutely ugly Final Fantasy X than almost any other Xbox RPG (KOTOR the exception). Rachet and Clank, Sly Cooper, SOCOM 2, Devil May Cry, and many more. Oh, and the massive library of great PS1 games.

You can have your specs, I'll take the better games any day of the week.

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Dwayne

I like the PS2 for its awsome Library of games and free online service. Also for awhile the PS2 was the only DVD player in my house. I have had no troubles with bugs at all.
I bought an Xbox to play the games that my computer cant play since its old. I love the big Xbox controller because its so gaudy.
I dont like the GameCube because it has the worst controller of all 3 and its more geared toward little kids.

In answer to your questions.
I dont break the law when it comes to counsels and games, So I dont know about mod chips and game burning.
The Xbox does have a DVD player but only after you buy the remote for it.

Mr.Deflok

Is there a psychological term for the condition that causes fanboyism? Or have I just used it's term?

00111000

Gameboy advance well, it's my favorite currently. It's really not a console per say. But I would agree with the xbox. A friend of mine mods them and has it hooked up as a media center to his network...I'm thinking of buying another one just for that aspect.

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Karby

i have a gc, ps2, xbox, and gba, and i can't choose between any of them as 'being the best one'. they've all got really fun games, nice graphics, and depending on where you buy the games from, the prices for them don't burn holes in your wallet.
though, i am partial to my gba, but only because i can choose to play it practically anywhere...except during class.

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yatzr

I do realize these numbers are important for many people, but I would never EVER let those numbers determine what system I would buy. If all you care about is great looking games, you are definately not one to give gaming advice.

yes, that is a very nice feature. Something I wish many other systems would have done, but because it is so easily exploitable, I wouldn't be surprised if the trend never catches on. Oh well.

hmm, you sound like a microsoft sales associate there. Any real gamer will tell you that GRAPHICS DO NOT MAKE THE GAME!!!! Half the games on xbox are beautiful pieces of shit. To be honest, if I had to pick one console for the rest of my life, it would be snes. It had the best games period. Sure it's cool to see how awesome a game looks, but if I don't feel like playing it anymore after 40 hours, it ain't shit.

Yeah, how many of those games do you play and enjoy playing for hours on end. Just because it's conveniant, doesn't mean it's great.

again, graphics don't make the game. After playing games on xbox, I like to go back to systems where game developers knew how to make a great game. I don't play games to look at them. I play them for challenge and story.

yeah, it will also have more beautiful crap to come along with it. In all actuality, microsoft does seem to be learning quickly about what games are good, what games are bad. The next xbox will certainly have more good games than the first in it's initial year. Just because it will have a fast processor is about the worst reason to buy it though.


I'd say it's more geared toward gamers who are comfortable with their gaming maturity (yes, it's the gaming parallel of being comfortable with your sexuality ). I have more fun playing some gamecube games than any games on xbox and the vast majority of games on ps2. Just because it looks kiddy doesn't mean it's not a good game.

I like to consider myself one of the rare gamers. I've been playing since I was 4 on my older brother's odyssey2 (yes, that's right, odyssey2). I've played enough of every system since then to have a good idea what's good and what's not. The biggest thing I've learned over the years...I've said it several times...graphics do not make the game. IMHO, snes has the largest amount of the absolutely great games with the lasting appeal that counts.


Now, to answer the original question. I wouldn't buy anything unless you're desperate for a system right now, or unless you can get it cheap. Don't buy a used ps2 because of the whole bad laser thing. Personally, I would just wait and save for the next systems. I won't offer any advice as to which of those to buy, but make the games the priority, not the console.

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Lasereth

Ha ha, you've got to be joking. That cracked me up.

I think you just used the term.

Blitzkrieg is right. There is no "best console." It's simply down to buying which console is right for you. Some people buy all of them to get the best gaming experience possible (me). I'll take my Gran Turismo, FFX, Devil May Cry, Metroid Prime, Eternal Darkness, Knights of the Old Republic, Halo, Fire Emblem, and Advance Wars any day of the week. Ya sure as hell don't get to play all of those with only one console.

-Lasereth

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WarriorBuddha

All the consoles have their own benifits and drawbacks. I have one friend that has, and still plays sometimes, every system since the Sega Genesis. He loves his games. And he would probably be the first to tell you, if it hadn't already been said before, that no system, no matter how good the graphics or whatever, can really be considered the overall best.

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LNCPapa

Can I just say ditto to what lasereth said or is that being a lasereth fanboy?

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NotMinus

The xbox is the best.

It simply has the best hardware, best modability and for me, the best games. People don't look at whats avalible but there is alot for xbox, I won't generate some list people will never look at but Project Gotham Racing 2 is by far the GrandTurismo killer. I can't even play it, its so arcadey compared to PGR2.

pocon1

Thats interesting what you said about PGR2 being a better racer than Gran Turismo. Because pgr1 was not a great game for racing sims. Getting points for powerslides is arcade stuff, not racing. Did they completely redesign the game and concept for #2? The only xbox game that compares physics to GT is Sega GT 2002, which is ok, but lacks enough cars to really make it fun.

Rubyee

I personally hate the XBOX. I think it is the biggest piece of crap that ever crapped. If I ever own one, I think I may shoot myself. But, you will probably find this to be true, that an XBOX fan is the most diehard fan ever, so don't be persuaded to join the dark side (of the XBOX.)

I like the gamecube. There are so many different types of games, which are on average cheaper than the games for other systems. I think that if I could only own one game system of any kind, this would be the one. Not only that, but you can buy a gameboy advance player and play those games on the gameboy. It is just so versatile.

The PS2 comes in a close second, only because I rarely find games I love on that system. I am getting better at it though.

Then all the other game systems I have come in after those- atari, gba, gbc, sega genesis, nes, snes, dreamcast, n64, mr game and watch, in no particular order.

Then board games.

Then tag.

Then stick and ball.

Then XBOX.

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yatzr

That's what I was thinking too. I've never heard anyone say GT was too arcadey.

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Kazic

This is what I saw...
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Knights of the Old Republic, Halo blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah ...

heh but its all good. I like GC for Resident evil and PS2 cause lets face it they have some fucking awesome games but I went with Xbox as hell Kotor.

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LNCPapa

That's funny - I thought both the PGR games were crap. First think out of my mouth after playing the games for a little while was, "This is no Gran Turismo."

And by the way - I'm no fanboy of any particular system. I have 19 console systems and I love them all. I will continue buying all the consoles they release from now on.

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thephuse

Oh how I wish I had your financial freedom... I agree though.. I started off as a Nintendo fanboy.. but as I played all the systems.. There wasnt one system I would mind not owning.. each system has their games.. X-Box only had Halo until Ninja Gaiden came out... and I think if Fable ever comes out, that will be awesome too..

Bottom line.. get every system :-D

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Kazic

Good Idea.

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Stare At The Sun

Personally, I like the xbox the best because of Halo and Crimison skies. I haven't touched my PS2 in over 2 years!

Though, i just can't get into RPG's. So, i have a tough time really caring about ps2.

Graphically, the xbox looks great, and has some really good multiplayer games.

JStrider

dreamcast... ya dont need to mod it... just to download and burn the games!

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NotMinus

Aside from all this console talk, if you really are into racing games. Get PGR2 and rent it for a week. It takes a day or two to learn to handle the cars but it is the most realistic racing game I have played. The traction system is by far the best I have ever seen implemented. Brake too hard, the cars brakes will lock up. Brake to soon and you loose momentum through the apex. Hammering the pedal down from the apex causes wheel spin and traction-loss. I autocross occasionaly and it is the only game that comes close to hammering down the percision required to race well. I agree the first PGR was terrible, I rented it and only played for a couple hours before getting tired with the game but iv played atleast 100 hours of PGR2 now and still haven't completed all the challenges or grown tired of it.

Games ranking:
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-=shikamaru=-

Whats up with all the Xbox praise? I'm discovering that Microsoft doesn't know how to serve the gaming community correctly. PS2 and Gamecube might not be as flashy, but the list of console-specific games for each are much, much better.

See, Nintendo and Squaresoft cares about you, the gamer. They want to make good games, not make good money. Microsoft is a greedy corporation. Follow your heart...

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Cervantes

None, they all have advantages as well as disadvantages, Xbox-live is a definite plus but the massive ammount of games for PS2 is making up for that. Gamecube is on par with PS2 when it comes to computational power but it lacks many of the larger game-franchises.
If I had to choose i'd go for PS2 because of the ammount of games.
PS2 i think.. i'm not betting any money on it though..
Probarbly PS2 but as before I'm not betting any money.

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funniest thing i've read all week. bravo.

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hulk

Uh, dude, the Gamecube easily equals anything the X-Box can put out, and far surpasses the PS2 in graphical quality. The Altivec engine on the GameCube chip pretty much puts it right on par with the X-Box's faster MHz count.

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Jam

If people choose a system based on controllers.... there are 3rd party controllers available.. that being said I love my gamecube controllers... I dont see how people have a problem with them

LNCPapa

I smell a Mac fanboy! J/K - I like Macs as well - though I would never have one as my primary machine.

By the way - I thought I'd add that although I like my GC very much I will not lie to myself and say that graphically it can do anything the X-Box can. The X-Box simply has more graphics horsepower - but it's what you do with it that counts. Stop deluding yourself and take comfort in the idea that every system has good games - and the games make the system, not the other way around (except the CD-I which I can't remember when I last powered on.)

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hulk

Thing is, it's not lying when I say it can match and surpass the X-Box. As you say, it's what you do with it that counts. Games on the X-Box have pretty much no chance for optimisation - the best performance they can get is what you'd expect from a PC. There's just that much power the Altivec engine brings, it's what makes a 1Ghz Mac beat the pants off a 1Ghz PC in the apps that support it. Also, the custom ATi chip renders up to 6 layers at once, so when it comes to special effects, the GameCube has the edge. About all the X-Box has over it is a polycount, which don't mean jack these days.

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Rdr4evr

When will people get over this retarded "its a kiddy system" bullshit. Gamecube is not a kiddy system whatsoever. As a matter of fact, most of these so called "kiddy" games are quite difficult, I doubt a kid could beat it. Just because a game does not have blood, violence, profanity and sexuality does not make it "kiddie". That said, there are plenty of voilent games for GC, as this list shows:

Eternal Darkness
Resident Evil 0, 1, 2, 3, CV and soon to be 4
Blood Rayne
Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain
Mortal Kombat
Conflict: Desert Storm 1, 2
Dead to Rights
Def Jam Vendetta
Hunter: The Reckoning
Hitman 2
Medal of Honor series
Medal Gear Solid
Serious Sam
Red Faction II
Smugglers Run
Splinter Cell 1, 2
Rainbow 6
Ghost Recon
True Crime
Timesplitters
Turok
XIII

There are also PLENTY of great Teen rated games. Enough with the nonsense "kiddie" argument. There are just as much, if not more "kiddie" games on the PS2.

omega2K4

Like 90% of those games are on other consoles, and usually play better (aka online play in the case of RS3, Ghost Recon, XIII and SC 1 and 2)

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Rdr4evr

Whats your point? Does that change the fact that they are mature rated?

hulk

Splinter Cell 1 didn't have online play, dude =P

Rdr4evr, will you be my friend?

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